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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Drummond, is what Wade is doing ILLEGAL????????

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Drummond, is what Wade is doing ILLEGAL????????

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
Trust me guy I understand the situation and what record this deer is up for

I repeat!!

I fail to see how there is any misrepresentation of this animal in the picture and to assume anything isn't advisable in this world

Funny to me that you think I have attacked anyone....funny

BYW...I made a statement on page one.....before you joined in on this joyful thread

***Well that is your right Sir, and I respect that right, but obviously some of the top agents and outfitters like Aaron and Drummond whose livelihood depends on integrity and honesty, as well as a lot of us Average Joes, do see a big problem with it and it has been explained enough that everyone should understand. I have also never said anything about you attacking me or anyone else and if I had your name would be right on the list with those I did mention! Have a good evening!

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:

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Make no mistake, these are GREAT hunters. They put in a lot of effort into their big game hunts.

Would I go with him again? ABSOLUTELY!

***There is absolutely no question that the drugged deer with the cover over it's head is the same dead buck in the picture after it had it's velvet stripped off. It's hard to believe anybody, especially one like yourself with animals taken from all over the world, would not immediately know that something is not on the up and up if they asked you if you wanted to pay $60K for a new world record deer. The price alone should alert anyone that something is not kosher with an offer like that! To say you would go anywhere with them after this absolute fraud is exposed says more than anything you can offer in their defense and is really unbelievable!!! I wonder how big the pen was where this buck was shot and then declared "pending world record". What a GD farce and it says a lot about a person who says they would continue hunting with an outfit that would perpertrate a fraud like that and probably have done the same with other animals in the past the way it sounds!!! How they put up the tag line under the photo is what is upsettig averyone and not the manner in which they sold it to the client!!! The client didn't put that photo up to make a big deal out of it. WLH did and if they did that one it is one too many!!!

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

TopGun, I cannot see why you single Larry out here as he has done nothing but share the conversations he had about the deer and I appreciate that.

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
To Drummond, Aaron, and others on this thread that have similar feelings and opinions regarding this complete misrepresentation of that deer and apparently a lot of others that they are raising and letting out for people to shoot without full disclosure:

It appears that there are a bunch of folks that may lack ethics, integrity, or simply just don't give a damn about honesty if all they ask is was it illegal and could care less if these animals are possibly or maybe even likely being represented as fair chase when they are pen raised.

For Saeed: I was not attacking Larry, but him calling me topidiot amongst others wasn't too becoming of such a stellar member now was it?! This was a discussion and opinions on which two people obviously disagree, as well as a bunch of others. The reason I continued in my discussion with Larry Shores to the extent where it became a two person side show is because he kept coming back saying he didn't see any misrepresentation regarding that picture and that's the only reason. All I tried to do is explain it to him like I have to others who don't see a problem. I'm done with this thread, as it's obvious that a number of people don't give a damn whether an animal is taken on the up and up or not and that's pretty damn sad, but is probably not surprising the way the sport of hunting is now being money driven more and more every day.

Now for CHC who can stick his BS Flags up his sorry ass! You obviously didn't read or more than likely also couldn't comprehend this response to you a while back when you asked whether it was illegal and I even put it in caps so your feeble brain could process it. Here it is C/Pd word for word just for your personal edification, LOL:

***Best of both worlds and envy tossed in there for good measures, LOL! NO, what it really shows is that you're a chickenshit asshole that has me on ignore and your spam list so you can post your horseshit out here and have to rely on someone else to put my replies up so you can read them and I can't reply directly to you. That tells everyone what kind of a dickhead you are! You're probably still taking me off and putting me back on, but after I said that your IQ of 10 had a brilliant moment and you started waiting until you could C/P someone else's post. NO, NO LAWS WERE BROKEN BY POSTING THAT PICTURE, BUT IT IS DAMN SURE A MISREPRESENTATION OF THE ANIMAL! You yourself even stated that in different words in your initial posts in case you can't remember on which side of this issue you stand, LOL!!! Now go fill your deer feeders Mr. PH Hunting Consultant!!!

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Originally posted by OLBIKER:

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
To Drummond, Aaron, and others on this thread that have similar feelings and opinions regarding this complete misrepresentation of that deer and apparently a lot of others that they are raising and letting out for people to shoot without full disclosure:

It appears that there are a bunch of folks that may lack ethics, integrity, or simply just don't give a damn about honesty if all they ask is was it illegal and could care less if these animals are possibly or maybe even likely being represented as fair chase when they are pen raised.

For Saeed: I was not attacking Larry, but him calling me topidiot amongst others wasn't too becoming of such a stellar member now was it?! This was a discussion and opinions on which two people obviously disagree, as well as a bunch of others. The reason I continued in my discussion with Larry Shores to the extent where it became a two person side show is because he kept coming back saying he didn't see any misrepresentation regarding that picture and that's the only reason. All I tried to do is explain it to him like I have to others who don't see a problem. I'm done with this thread, as it's obvious that a number of people don't give a damn whether an animal is taken on the up and up or not and that's pretty damn sad, but is probably not surprising the way the sport of hunting is now being money driven more and more every day.

Now for CHC who can stick his BS Flags up his sorry ass! You obviously didn't read or more than likely also couldn't comprehend this response to you a while back when you asked whether it was illegal and I even put it in caps so your feeble brain could process it. Here it is C/Pd word for word just for your personal edification, LOL:

***Best of both worlds and envy tossed in there for good measures, LOL! NO, what it really shows is that you're a chickenshit asshole that has me on ignore and your spam list so you can post your horseshit out here and have to rely on someone else to put my replies up so you can read them and I can't reply directly to you. That tells everyone what kind of a dickhead you are! You're probably still taking me off and putting me back on, but after I said that your IQ of 10 had a brilliant moment and you started waiting until you could C/P someone else's post. NO, NO LAWS WERE BROKEN BY POSTING THAT PICTURE, BUT IT IS DAMN SURE A MISREPRESENTATION OF THE ANIMAL! You yourself even stated that in different words in your initial posts in case you can't remember on which side of this issue you stand, LOL!!! Now go fill your deer feeders Mr. PH Hunting Consultant!!!

How to win friends and influence people!!!

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
No comment, as I might get jumped on by a guy from Orlando and his posse!!!

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Originally posted by Norton:

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
No comment, as I might get jumped on by a guy from Orlando and his posse!!!

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Originally posted by Navaluk:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Flop Gun needs more help than anyone else on this site.



Pot meet kettle. Cripple fight!

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Pot meet kettle. Cripple fight!

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I certainly am not shy about plunging into a controversial subject, but I can't seem to get excited about this one.

Posting a pic of a pen raised deer and suggesting it is free range is obviously pretty disingenuous, but there are tons of outfitters who claim the average buck is "so and so." You book the hunt and never see anything close. How is that different?

My take on this whole thread:

1. Larry Shores has a ton of experience, and frankly, my best hunts have come from the advice of fellow hunters, not booking agents or outfitters. If Larry has a good record with Wade, that means something.
2. Drummond is an ethical guy, no question. One of the few guys in the business who don't sugarcoat or over promise. That said, I have never booked with him.
3. It isn't the disagreements that bother me, it is the name calling. Rarely is it called for, Heathington and Blair being an exception.
4. AR is best when used as a source of learning, not as a place to entertain one's self.

Now I think I will book an elk hunt and apply for the AZ tag drawing.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I certainly am not shy about plunging into a controversial subject, but I can't seem to get excited about this one.

Posting a pic of a pen raised deer and suggesting it is free range is obviously pretty disingenuous, but there are tons of outfitters who claim the average buck is "so and so." You book the hunt and never see anything close. How is that different?

My take on this whole thread:

1. Larry Shores has a ton of experience, and frankly, my best hunts have come from the advice of fellow hunters, not booking agents or outfitters. If Larry has a good record with Wade, that means something.
2. Drummond is an ethical guy, no question. One of the few guys in the business who don't sugarcoat or over promise. That said, I have never booked with him.
3. It isn't the disagreements that bother me, it is the name calling. Rarely is it called for, Heathington and Blair being an exception.
4. AR is best when used as a source of learning, not as a place to entertain one's self.

Now I think I will book an elk hunt and apply for the AZ tag drawing.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Drummond:

I did not see this picture on the FB page . I I certainly believe you. It is more likely my lack of knowledge of FB.

In the picture you posted, I see a bunch of squares in the background. Is this a fence or is this something caused by the method of taking the picture?

I am looking on my I phone. It may look different on the computer.

Out of idle curiosity, do you know how big the high fenced area is?

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Drummond:

I did not see this picture on the FB page . I I certainly believe you. It is more likely my lack of knowledge of FB.

In the picture you posted, I see a bunch of squares in the background. Is this a fence or is this something caused by the method of taking the picture?

I am looking on my I phone. It may look different on the computer.

Out of idle curiosity, do you know how big the high fenced area is?

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
Drummond: That screenshot sure gives the appearance of a high fence in the background with long horizonal pieces of wood or metal holding it up. They sure look manmade as compared to the foliage in the picture! Sorry if I'm wrong, but that sure looks like what I'm seeing on my large computer screen.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
10'acres? Wow!

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Originally posted by larryshores:
10'acres? Wow!

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Originally posted by chilcotin hillbilly:
I couldn't help myself and left a message on FB for WLH. The scene at the end of the video where the announce the new world record to the rest of the crew is a joke.

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:


I have a story from Mexico, I ran into a WLH client at the airport and I asked him if he ventured outside of the pen to hunt his deer. He looked shocked but said that he was hunting in areas with no fences and then told me a sob story about how Wade Lemons guide is the one that posted that picture and he wasn't supposed to do it and that is was the guides fault, not Wade and Kalans fault. I wanted to fucking puke when he told me this as the Lemons let that picture stay posted on Facebook until the truth got out and they took heat for it. They will take all of the good advertisement and run with it but when the shit hits the fan it was somebody else's fault. Fuck those guys