Topgun :

Are you by chance related to Shootaway?

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Topgun :

Are you by chance related to Shootaway?

***Don't even know who that is and if was intended as an insult you can stick it where the sun don't shine. Just because you're a big name on this website and have money doesn't mean you're any more correct in your posts than the next guy. Sorry I ruffled your feathers when I said I didn't care for your "tough" one day AI sheep hunt, but again, that is only my opinion and the last I knew we can state our opinions on this site and that's all I'm doing! Sorry that you don't agree, but I damn sure am not going to lose any sleep over it!

I hunted with Wade in the past and had a great hunt for Mt. Lion. I talk to him a few times a year, I was shocked when I read this article.
Wade texted me a pic of this deer because he knows I want to hunt Mexico for Mule deer. We exchanged several text and he never mentioned High Fence. I just assumed free range. Very disappointed in Wade. I passed his original text on to my dad , brother and other hunting buddies that were interested.
Never once did he mention estate deer.!

MotorCity---I hope Larry Shores and everyone else in his camp reads your post closely!!! Then they can come back and apologize if they're man enough! I won't even say "I told you so!!!"

TG:

he has said nothing new and nothing inconsistent with what I said.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
TG:

he has said nothing new and nothing inconsistent with what I said.

*** That's a good one and I figured you'd come back with more BS, but not that lame, LOL! You said you had one quickie conversation with Lemon about the buck in the picture and didn't care for a mulie hunt and passed it off. I accepted that and offered my apology. Now a guy comes on and says he exchanged texts with Lemon after being sent the same picture asking if he was interested. He said he was interested and more texts were exchanged with not one single mention that it was an estate hunt(canned)!!! When do you figure that Lemon would tell the perspective hunter what he was going to be paying for? Maybe the day he got there to do the hunt and opened the high fence gate? This whole thing stinks and for you to keep defending this guy stinks even worse. Sorry, but I call a spade a spade when I see it and the cards are not falling in your favor!

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Originally posted by MotorCity:
I hunted with Wade in the past and had a great hunt for Mt. Lion. I talk to him a few times a year, I was shocked when I read this article.
Wade texted me a pic of this deer because he knows I want to hunt Mexico for Mule deer. We exchanged several text and he never mentioned High Fence. I just assumed free range. Very disappointed in Wade. I passed his original text on to my dad , brother and other hunting buddies that were interested.
Never once did he mention estate deer.!

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Originally posted by larryshores:
TG:

he has said nothing new and nothing inconsistent with what I said.

Larry

I have nothing against you and I can't really see why anyone would want to bash you on this.

Having said that I have to ask if everyone on this thread is blind! The outfitter told Larry that they could get the deer because "they knew its home range"...

Are you kidding me?! A pen raised deer does not have a "home range" anymore than a whale at Sea World has "home waters". Wade was tying to pass the deer off as wild! Remember, only wild animals have "home ranges".

Wade says the "hunter" knew that the deer was pen raised. I would really like to hear the "hunter's" side of the story.

Larry is AOK in my book. Wade, not so much.

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by MotorCity:
I hunted with Wade in the past and had a great hunt for Mt. Lion. I talk to him a few times a year, I was shocked when I read this article.
Wade texted me a pic of this deer because he knows I want to hunt Mexico for Mule deer. We exchanged several text and he never mentioned High Fence. I just assumed free range. Very disappointed in Wade. I passed his original text on to my dad , brother and other hunting buddies that were interested.
Never once did he mention estate deer.!

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Originally posted by larryshores:
TG:

he has said nothing new and nothing inconsistent with what I said.

Larry

I have nothing against you and I can't really see why anyone would want to bash you on this.

Having said that I have to ask if everyone on this thread is blind! The outfitter told Larry that they could get the deer because "they knew its home range"...

Are you kidding me?! A pen raised deer does not have a "home range" anymore than a whale at Sea World has "home waters". Wade was tying to pass the deer off as wild! Remember, only wild animals have "home ranges".

Wade says the "hunter" knew that the deer was pen raised. I would really like to hear the "hunter's" side of the story.

Larry is AOK in my book. Wade, not so much.

I have no reason to doubt what Wade said having dealt with him for appx 20 years. Obviously, the client had to know it was high fenced. At some point, he had to drive through the gate.

If I thought I was hunting a free range critter then found out it was high fence upon my arrival, I would be raising holy hell. I most certainly would not have shot it.

You are right Jason. There are only 2 people who know with certainty, Wade and the client. none of us here know with certainty.

It wasn't actually Wade that made that free range comment. It was one of his guides. As I subsequently posted it MAY have been a joke as we were cutting up pretty hard at the time. Cracking jokes about everything. I don't blame them whatsoever for not giving me more details. I had already said "no" in no uncertain terms. Why would they give me more info after I said no?

I am not going to reach a conclusion without the facts which is something topidiot apparently can't comprehend. His mind is made up no matter what.

I said multiple times throughout this thread that Wade deserves whatever he gets if this was misrepresented. Were the facts misrepresented? I have no idea nor does anyone here.

I don't fault him for selling a high fence hunt anymore than I fault virtually every South African game farm operator who does the same thing. If he misrepresented this to the client and/or the record book, I have a serious problem with that.

Larry---This is like talking to a wall because you are not talking about what Drummond and I are harping on. Your last post responding to member Brown also did not address what he said just like you haven't all along and he stated the same thing I am regarding misrepresenting this deer. It has obviously now been done by photo, verbally, and texts. Those are FACTS that you keep denying. Drummond's posts and mine in this thread have been talking strictly about the picture until the post by the gentelman last night who actually corrresponded with Lemon about hunting that deer. There is absolutely no reason to start calling me names like you have been doing and putting up silly cartoons. That is the sign of a loser! You're obviously not going to admit that the picture they put out is a misrepresentation by not saying exactly what that record is! Now a gentleman has come on and said Lemon actually contacted him about that deer and sent him that same picture. The guy texted back and said he was interested and more texts were sent back and forth with not a word said by Lemon about that deer being high fenced. Again, when was Lemon going to tell him that the deer was raised in a pen? The texts were just as bad and probably more so than the picture not saying what the deer actually was. You go right ahead and keep up your end of it defending Lemon, but Drummond and others, especially the gentleman who actually corresponded with Lemon, know exactly what the score is and that is that this deer has been misrepresented all along until he was outed by the other picture with the blindfolded, drugged deer!!! You may be the greatest guy in the world, but defending this type of stuff is unreal. I also find it hard to believe that a man of your prominence in the hunting community would have to ask out on this thread about SCI and it's record book! EVERYONE who is at all involved in hunting big game all over the world damn well knows what SCI and it's BOOK is all about! Come on, do you really think everyone is dumb enough to believe that you didn't?!!!

One would have to be a complete idiot not to know it was a penned deer, in light of the fact that they knew exactly what it scored, and where it lived. I guess if , no matter the facts, you're on the Lemon Outfitting asskissing team, then maybe you can't see it, don't want to see it, or will continue to "plead the 5th". I was talking to some diehard mule deer hunters at DSC and they weren't surprised at all how this thing has unraveled, or how it was represented, or better yet misrepresented. Motor City's post provides some insight as to just how it was presented IMO.

I have had my share of 1 night stands, but I've never been been "married" to an outfitter, so its harder for me to understand the blind rationalizing loyalty. I do admire the loyalty of a good dog so I choose to look at all this from that perspective.

I can only control who I hire, who I recommend, and whether I speak up when I hear someone say "I'm looking at going on a hunt with Lemon Adventures."

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
Larry---This is like talking to a wall because you are not talking about what Drummond and I are harping on. Your last post responding to member Brown also did not address what he said just like you haven't all along and he stated the same thing I am regarding misrepresenting this deer.

I think he did answer my question. Larry have been pretty upfront in this whole thing.

This "hunt" sale pretty convoluted. No point in:

I just can't understand the continued harping against Larry here. Clearly, he stated he wasn't interested in shooting this deer, high fence or not. HE SAID NO! Period!

Are we now to censure our every comment made around the campfire for fear it will be parsed and twisted out of context here on AR? BS!

But since we are doing that, let's be clear:

1) Shooting this deer behind a high fence is not illegal!
2) Should he had said yes to taking the deer, it's his money and his choice. Get over it!
3) Larry had no interest in it, high fence or not. He said NO to the offer! Get over it!
4) From his comments, Larry didn't care enough about this particular deer to clarify if it was high fence or not from the jokingly made comments around the campfire since he wasn't interested in the first place. If Larry didn't have enough interest in investigating the hunt further than what was mentioned at the campfire, why are certain people here implying that he should have taken more interest in the hunt? Here is an example for you: I like sports cars. If a car dealer I've done business with in the past told me he knows where he get me a new Ferrari for $60,000, and I tell him I'm not interested, why can't the issue be dropped right there? Does it now become my responsibility to delve into the guy's business practices to determine if the offer is legit ... since I've already said I don't want the car and all?
5) Larry stated that if Wade is trying to pass off the deer as "free range" when it is actually "high fenced" he "would have a serious problem" with that. What further should he say?

Now who's beating a dead horse, LOL! We've made it very clear what the problem is and if you want to kiss his ass go right ahead! You appear to be one trying to censure others who don't agree and maybe aren't in the "good old boys club" that appears to exist on this site! We're not talking about what HE did or didn't do about the deer. HE was the one who kept defending an outfitter that misrepresented that buck to the general public in the photo and to at least one other member in texts back and forth by not saying it was an estate pen raised animal on a canned hunt. If he wants to continue hunting with an outfitter like that he can go right ahead, but his continued piss poor comments about what has happened and trying to say there was nothing wrong with the picture is contrary to what Drummond, myself, and a number of others feel. All he keeps harping on is how it was represented to the one guy who killed it. We don't know and haven't commented on that other than to agree if he wasn't told before he paid for the hunt that it would have been a misrepresentation and that he most likely knew because he would have had to go through a high fenced gate for the shooting of said buck. Also, if you can't see some very questionable statements in his posts like not knowing SCI has that estate book when he's been a long time member of that organization is hard to believe! The deal is that Lemon got caught showing a picture of a deer that only makes one book and that book should have been mentioned. When that drugged deer picture surfaced it nailed it down without a doubt about the other being a misrepresentation, all the while his employees were stating they never hunt high fence. With the picture lacking exactly what the deer qualified for, as well as the back and forth texting with a perspective customer about taking that same deer with no statement that it was a pen raised buck turned out for a canned 100% gimme hunt just plain sucks the big weenie.

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
Now who's beating a dead horse, LOL! I made it very clear what the problem is and if you want to kiss his ass go right ahead! You appear to be one trying to censure others who don't agree and maybe aren't in the "good old boys club" that appears to exist on this site! I am not talking about what HE did or didn't do about the deer. HE was the one who kept defending an outfitter that misrepresented that buck to the general public in the photo and to at least one other member in texts back and forth by not saying it was an estate pen raised animal on a canned hunt. If he wants to continue hunting with an outfitter like that he can go right ahead, but his continued piss poor comments about what has happened and trying to say there was nothing wrong with the picture is contrary to what Drummond, myself, and a number of others feel. All he keeps harping on is how it was represented to the one guy who killed it. I don't know and haven't commented on that other than to agree if he wasn't told before he paid for the hunt that it would have been a misrepresentation and that he most likely knew because he would have had to go through a high fenced gate for the shooting of said buck. Also, if you can't see some very questionable statements in his posts like not knowing SCI has that estate book when he's been a long time member of that organization is hard to believe! The deal is that Lemon got caught showing a picture of a deer that only makes one book and that book should have been mentioned. When that drugged deer picture surfaced it nailed it down without a doubt about the other being a misrepresentation, all the while his employees were stating they never hunt high fence. With the picture lacking exactly what the deer qualified for, as well as the back and forth texting with a perspective customer about taking that same deer with no statement that it was a pen raised buck turned out for a canned 100% gimme hunt. I just plain suck the big weenie.

Fixed it for you.

FU Mr Professional Hunter and gut shooter!!!

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
I was in consumer protection with the State of MI for over 30 years,....

You've lowered our opinion of you quite into the gutter with your participation on AR in general, but the above admission of being a government lackey seals the deal.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
I was in consumer protection with the State of MI for over 30 years,....

You've lowered our opinion of you quite into the gutter with your participation on AR in general, but the above admission of being a government lackey seals the deal.

I agree 100%

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Originally posted by waterrat:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:
I was in consumer protection with the State of MI for over 30 years,....

You've lowered our opinion of you quite into the gutter with your participation on AR in general, but the above admission of being a government lackey seals the deal.

***Like I could give a shit about your opinion, LOL, but good try diverting attention away from the discussion by attacking the person, rather than the issue. That's generally the sign you're on the losing end of the battle and this one is already over and done with, so you two are really beating both ends of a dead horse! Let's just cut to the chase boys. If you're a good old boy like this guy is on this site you have people coming out of the woodwork to kiss your ass whether you're wrong or not. If you haven't looked over this whole thread, there have been many more, including Drummond, that have said the same thing about this picture that I have that this guy refuses to admit. End of discussion!

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:


***Like I could give a shit about your opinion, LOL, but good try diverting attention away from the discussion by attacking the person, rather than the issue. That's generally the sign you're on the losing end of the battle and this one is already over and done with, so you two are really beating both ends of a dead horse! Let's just cut to the chase boys. If you're a good old boy like this guy is on this site you have people coming out of the woodwork to kiss your ass whether you're wrong or not. If you haven't looked over this whole thread, there have been many more, including Drummond, that have said the same thing about this picture that I have that this guy refuses to admit. End of discussion!

Straight out of the liberal retard, democratic playbook IMO.

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Originally posted by JGRaider:

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:


***Like I could give a shit about your opinion, LOL, but good try diverting attention away from the discussion by attacking the person, rather than the issue. That's generally the sign you're on the losing end of the battle and this one is already over and done with, so you two are really beating both ends of a dead horse! Let's just cut to the chase boys. If you're a good old boy like this guy is on this site you have people coming out of the woodwork to kiss your ass whether you're wrong or not. If you haven't looked over this whole thread, there have been many more, including Drummond, that have said the same thing about this picture that I have that this guy refuses to admit. End of discussion!

Straight out of the liberal retard, democratic playbook IMO.

***That's funny as hell because I'm about as far from a Liberal as you can get and actually am an Independent that thinks both the Ds and the Rs ain't worth a shit, LOL!!!

Seahawks or 49ers?

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Seahawks or 49ers?

Yep, LOL!

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Seahawks or 49ers?

Or Brady vs. Manning

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Originally posted by Brian Clark:

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
Seahawks or 49ers?

Or Brady vs. Manning

***Yep, IMHO the best two QBs in the game today! Should be two damn good games and exactly the ones that should be playing for the crown in their Conferences.

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I'm about as far from a Liberal as you can get

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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I'm about as far from a Liberal as you can get

I do know a retard monkey face when he posts!!! How ya doin there Frick, or is it Frack, monkey breath, LOL!

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:


***Like I could give a shit about your opinion, LOL, but good try diverting attention away from the discussion by attacking the person, rather than the issue. That's generally the sign you're on the losing end of the battle and this one is already over and done with, so you two are really beating both ends of a dead horse! Let's just cut to the chase boys. If you're a good old boy like this guy is on this site you have people coming out of the woodwork to kiss your ass whether you're wrong or not. If you haven't looked over this whole thread, there have been many more, including Drummond, that have said the same thing about this picture that I have that this guy refuses to admit. End of discussion!

Straight out of the liberal retard, democratic playbook IMO.

***That's funny as hell because I'm about as far from a Liberal as you can get and actually am an Independent that thinks both the Ds and the Rs ain't worth a shit, LOL!!!

Definitely not referring to you TG. Sorry for the confusion.

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Originally posted by JGRaider:

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:


***Like I could give a shit about your opinion, LOL, but good try diverting attention away from the discussion by attacking the person, rather than the issue. That's generally the sign you're on the losing end of the battle and this one is already over and done with, so you two are really beating both ends of a dead horse! Let's just cut to the chase boys. If you're a good old boy like this guy is on this site you have people coming out of the woodwork to kiss your ass whether you're wrong or not. If you haven't looked over this whole thread, there have been many more, including Drummond, that have said the same thing about this picture that I have that this guy refuses to admit. End of discussion!

Straight out of the liberal retard, democratic playbook IMO.

***That's funny as hell because I'm about as far from a Liberal as you can get and actually am an Independent that thinks both the Ds and the Rs ain't worth a shit, LOL!!!

Definitely not referring to you TG. Sorry for the confusion.

No confusion here JGR! I knew after our PMs back and forth that it wasn't actually referencing me in particular! I was just letting ones like monkey breath Gibbs know where I stand.

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:

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Originally posted by Topgun 30-06:


***Like I could give a shit about your opinion, LOL, but good try diverting attention away from the discussion by attacking the person, rather than the issue. That's generally the sign you're on the losing end of the battle and this one is already over and done with, so you two are really beating both ends of a dead horse! Let's just cut to the chase boys. If you're a good old boy like this guy is on this site you have people coming out of the woodwork to kiss your ass whether you're wrong or not. If you haven't looked over this whole thread, there have been many more, including Drummond, that have said the same thing about this picture that I have that this guy refuses to admit. End of discussion!

Straight out of the liberal retard, democratic playbook IMO.

***That's funny as hell because I'm about as far from a Liberal as you can get and actually am an Independent that thinks both the Ds and the Rs ain't worth a shit, LOL!!!

Definitely not referring to you TG. Sorry for the confusion.

No confusion here JGR! I knew after our PMs back and forth that it wasn't actually referencing me in particular! I was just letting ones like monkey breath Gibbs know where I stand.

Everyone knows where you stand.In the corner with your dunce hat on!!!

I love it. I can have Flop Gun on ignore and still get to see the ignorance he puts out, the best of both worlds.

Can ANY of you experts please show evidence of where a law was broken???????????

Legalities folks, legalities. That trumps ANYONE'S ETHICS.

Unless or until someone can prove that a law was broken, ALL of the teeth gnashing is nothing more than envy

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
I love it. I can have Flop Gun on ignore and still get to see the ignorance he puts out, the best of both worlds.

Can ANY of you experts please show evidence of where a law was broken???????????

Legalities folks, legalities. That trumps ANYONE'S ETHICS.

Unless or until someone can prove that a law was broken, ALL of the teeth gnashing is nothing more than envy

***Best of both worlds and envy tossed in there for good measures, LOL! NO, what it really shows is that you're a chickenshit asshole that has me on ignore and your spam list so you can post your horseshit out here and have to rely on someone else to put my replies up so you can read them and I can't reply directly to you. That tells everyone what kind of a dickhead you are! You're probably still taking me off and putting me back on, but after I said that your IQ of 10 had a brilliant moment and you started waiting until you could C/P someone else's post. NO, NO LAWS WERE BROKEN BY POSTING THAT PICTURE, BUT IT IS DAMN SURE A MISREPRESENTATION OF THE ANIMAL! You yourself even stated that in different words in your initial posts in case you can't remember on which side of this issue you stand, LOL!!! Now go fill your deer feeders Mr. PH Hunting Consultant!!!

I fail to see how this animal is misrepresented.

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
I fail to see how this animal is misrepresented.

***Read the OP by Drummond that a number of us agree with after the drugged deer photo surfaced and with guides for the outfitter saying they don't hunt high fence. It's not really that hard to comprehend if people would just put themselves in the position of a perspective customer just like our member was that texted back and forth with Lemon about hunting that deer after he was sent the picture and was never told that it was a canned hunt for a pen raised animal. For the life of me I can't understand how some of you can't see the misrepresentation going on when that deer will only make an estate section of an SCI book that many true hunters laugh at because of what they allow in it. Most people that would look at that caption would think just like I did and that is that it was a new B&C record typical. Even Aaron Nielson made the statement that it really hurts the honest people like he and Drummond that only do fair chase hunts and that the picture should have said exactly what record the animal broke. This whole argument on this thread is strictly people's opinions and disagreeing with others is one thing, but to come on just to attack a person because of that opinion like CHC, 505 Gibbs, OLBIKER, and others have done is ridiculous.

Trust me guy I understand the situation and what record this deer is up for

I repeat!!

I fail to see how there is any misrepresentation of this animal in the picture and to assume anything isn't advisable in this world

Funny to me that you think I have attacked anyone....funny

BYW...I made a statement on page one.....before you joined in on this joyful thread

Folks,

I just spent five days at DSC in a booth next door to Wade Lemon. We talked and we talked about this thread. As he previously said to me and reiterated at this DSC show in no uncertain terms he DOES offer enclosure hunts in Mexico as well as free range hunts. I can't dispute anything his guides might have said about whether they offered enclosure hunts or not but Wade has always been very upfront about what he offers with me. And just to be crystal clear I have no business relationship with Wade nor have I ever had any.

Mark

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
Trust me guy I understand the situation and what record this deer is up for

I repeat!!

I fail to see how there is any misrepresentation of this animal in the picture and to assume anything isn't advisable in this world

Funny to me that you think I have attacked anyone....funny

BYW...I made a statement on page one.....before you joined in on this joyful thread

***Well that is your right Sir, and I respect that right, but obviously some of the top agents and outfitters like Aaron and Drummond whose livelihood depends on integrity and honesty, as well as a lot of us Average Joes, do see a big problem with it and it has been explained enough that everyone should understand. I have also never said anything about you attacking me or anyone else and if I had your name would be right on the list with those I did mention! Have a good evening!

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Folks,

I just spent five days at DSC in a booth next door to Wade Lemon. We talked and we talked about this thread. As he previously said to me and reiterated at this DSC show in no uncertain terms he DOES offer enclosure hunts in Mexico as well as free range hunts. I can't dispute anything his guides might have said about whether they offered enclosure hunts or not but Wade has always been very upfront about what he offers with me. And just to be crystal clear I have no business relationship with Wade nor have I ever had any.

Mark

***So did he offer any explanation why that picture couldn't have been tagged with exactly what record it was so there wouldn't be a single person anywhere thinking it was anything other than a penned animal on a canned hunt? The word "estate" or SCI could have easily been put on there and Drummond would not have started this thread regarding what many feel is a misrepresentation of the deer!!!

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Folks,

I just spent five days at DSC in a booth next door to Wade Lemon. We talked and we talked about this thread. As he previously said to me and reiterated at this DSC show in no uncertain terms he DOES offer enclosure hunts in Mexico as well as free range hunts. I can't dispute anything his guides might have said about whether they offered enclosure hunts or not but Wade has always been very upfront about what he offers with me. And just to be crystal clear I have no business relationship with Wade nor have I ever had any.

Mark

He knows damn good and well what he's doing when he posts videos of penned bucks and posts pictures of pen raised bucks and doesn't disclose that they were pen raised. He sells a lot of hunts to people thinking that those are free ranging deer and that they will have opportunities at deer like that. This is the point I am trying to make. These clowns know exactly what they are doing and by not telling the whole truth they are intentionally misleading people. They even advertise the ranch he leases on the picture but that deer didn't come from that ranch originally. They trucked it in to kill it. It's pretty fucking disgusting that they would advertise it as a "world record" IMO

TopGun, I cannot see why you single Larry out here as he has done nothing but share the conversations he had about the deer and I appreciate that.

Fuck it, I'm in Mexico sitting on a hill and I shouldn't be concerned with this kind of garbage. Y'all be good...

Edit to ask this question to Mark. Did you really expect him to deny that he does high fence hunting after this fiasco? Before it was out there his guides absolutely denied they did it and I knew of several booking agents that sent him hunters that had no knowledge of these penned bucks. They were under the impression that they just killed "better" deer than everybody else and they referred clients to them. They are as disgusted as I am with this bullshit. If you're going to do it then be honest about it.

Drummond, is what Wade is doing ILLEGAL????????