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.300win.180-NP 2960mv.....................400yds:2206v/1945e Drift:11.5" .300win.200-NP 2800mv.....................400yds:2087v/1934e Drift:12.11" .300win.180-AF 2960mv.....................400yds:2084v/1736e Drift:13.84" .300win.200-AF 2800mv.....................400yds:2032v/1834e Drift:13.25" .30/06 177gnGSC-HV 2700mv......400yd:2166v/1844e Drift:9.33" Certainly not a high stress load for the .30/06, with far less recoil than a .300mag, and a great bullet for HV-impact at close range - coupled with ballistic advantage & reliable expansion for longer range....  | |||
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If I wanted to take the 30/06 to the next level, to maximize it for BIG big game I would go with a 200gr Premium bullet. Also I would not press the envelope trying to load too HOT. A few fps does not matter that much... Remember it is the bullet, that does all the work. Just pick a good one and shoot straight. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Aim for the exit hole | |||
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The question I would ask myself is "Can I match the capabilities the .30-06 already has?" If the answer was "Yes" and I still needed more, I'd just get a rifle for a bigger cartridge. | |||
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Thank you once again for all of your input gentlemen. My current "heavy" load is the 180 gr Hornady BTSP interlock @ 2550fps. I realise this is a little slow but was an accurate, low pressure load using H4831 developed for use in hot countries. This load has taken everything from a 9lb Muntjac deer to a 500 lb Blue wildebeest but interestingly even at sub-308 Winchester speeds it the bullets recovered tended to have lost a fair amount of mass, separated their cores from the jackets and generally not penetrated as far as I'd thought even on relatively small animals. Se report here for details: 2010 Africa PG hunt Don't get me wrong, at no point in the animals' deaths did the bullets fail as such, rather that I had expected the "shoot through both shoulders and kick up dirt on the other side" effect that O'Connor so vividly described. The recovered bullets seem not to have over expanded as such, they seemed to have lost a lot of lead somehow and as mentioned the jacket would usually be either a little way away from the core or just next to each other but loose. For this reason I have been thinking about premium and/or heavier projectiles for the moose and camels. Driven moose are usually shot at fairly close range ( say 99% out to 100 yards or so and most below 50 ) and although generally not very tenacious to life on an undisturbed shot, according to my host when running and full of adrenaline the more damage one can do the better. The camels can be stalked up close or shot from a fair way away as they live in a sort low bushy plain allowing the hunter to decide how he wants to do it. I have an almost full box of Barnes 168 TSXs that I've never come up with a serious load for and am waiting to hear from my reloading man as to what he has in the line of tough bullets. I do need a 9.3/.375 at some point but trusty rusty was my first rifle and the one I shoot best with; if she'll do the job, she's coming | |||
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Ghubert, We are going back for more camels in November after our success in June. This time we are taking more ammo and a 4x6 trailer to fit more water and fuel. http://forums.nitroexpress.com...age=0&gonew=1#UNREAD I am taking my 9.3x62 with express sights having stripped off the mounts and scope. I hope to get some video footage this time. As you know, with effort and patience a 100 yard shot can be made. Shots we took at 250 yards resulted in little expansion from bonded projectiles. Velocity had dropped off. I did find 175 grain projectiles in the 7x57 held up very well at the longer ranges due to high BC and SD. I don't normally hunt at those ranges but the topography at times dictated it. I am trying softer Sierra 175 SptBt's this time in the 7x57 in the hope of more expansion. A mature camel Bull can reach 1,000lbs and are more like a flegmatic sponge than a highly strung deer or antelope. I would look for a high BC 180 or 200 projjie for the .30-06. | |||
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I fail to see how the CEB's are head and shoulders over a TSX, the TSX will blow off its petals in a high velocity impact and usually will retain 90% plus weight, IMO its just another imitator not an inovator, Im not a TSX fan boy, i believe they are great for certain situations but not for the average deer hunt  | |||
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To answer the OP, moose are not hard to kill, when i was in Alaska one of our party used a 300 weatherby with an unknown 150gr bullet, i thought he was crazy, more of a deer load but he got his moose with one shot. 180gr partition,TSX, A-frame, North Fork, with a stiff load and no animal in the world will walk away  | |||
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Please take the time to review all the information provided, including the photos.. http://forums.accuratereloadin...3/m/2861098911/p/188 You will see how well , the CEB " Exceeds the others ", in all cases , with better " Terminal Tissue Damage & DEEPER PENETRATION ", not seen in other conventional bullets tested.
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Bigger is better and we have stock piled a large supply of both 200 and 220 grain Nosler Partitions. My son shot a full bodied 50 inch bull moose last year with his 06 and a 150 grain TSX. Bull was broad side about 100 yards away with no branches or bushes between us or the moose. TSX took out only one lung and it did not penetrate more than about 12 inches or so. Great for deer, but not deep enough for moose. Bigger is better  My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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IMO, go to a flat based bullet and you seperation problems may go away. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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+1 try a Woodleigh 180grs PP and load strong with Vitavouri N550... and if YOu need longer distance, try a Ballistic turrent to compensate the bullet drop...! much better idea then having a lightweight bullet on such a big game! | |||
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Right guys, after a talk with the reloading supplier the following are available: 180 grain Partitions 200 grain Partitions 200 grain Accubonds Now, all that remains is to pick one of the above very highly regarded bullets..... 200 grain Partition or 200 grain Accubond? | |||
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I stretch the 06 case all the time. Matter of fact I have them at 2.65" with 411 cal bullets in them.  All kidding aside I happen to prefer the 180 for a heavy bullet in the 06 with 165s on deer and smaller. http://www.shootersproshop.com...y-2nds/In-Stock.aspx Has some 30 cal seconds in stock As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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Amir, A 180 gr. Nosler Partition and the corresponding charge of H-4831sc will do the trick you're looking to do just fine, every time. Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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Speaking of heavy weight conventional thinking. The .2 SD Raptors have out performed the premium bullets around .3 SD. You can drive them faster and flatter.
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Boomie I'm going to have to try some of your bullets aren't I?  I will check if I need a import permit to get them as expanding, ie hunting, bullets in the UK are subject to extra restrictions over and above even bolt action rifles and shotguns....  I might not get to use them on this hunt but it's a possibility for the camels next year. Just imagine, you could put "Tested on Camels" on the side of the boxes. | |||
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Your reply crossed with my pm, thanks Kapitan.  | |||
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Thanks buddy, but I doubt shooter's pro shp will post them to me!  | |||
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For deer sized game, a 150 gn slug @ roughly 3000 fs. For Elk sized and more, a 180 gn slug @ 2750 fs. Want something that hits even harder than the average 180 gn slug @ 2750? Go with an accubond or north fork. They expand to a much bigger mushroom than the average "cup an core" slug. That will translate to a bigger, more devastating wound channel without sacrificing penetration. Thats what I would use for moose and such.. I think it is a better option than heavier weight because with 200 gn slugs or more you begin to loose considerable velocity. No need to stretch anything. Just use good sense. The 06 will git er done..  AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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I noticed your location after I posted the link. Anyway maybe the other 06 shooters that posted to your thread can put them to use.As usual just my $.02 Paul K | |||
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NICE!!! Now THAT is what a 220 gn '06 slug is for!! Very nice! AK-47 The only Communist Idea that Liberals don't like. | |||
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capturing entire post before it is edited into "." like so many others lurking means not posting.. this is an outright mistatement - see terminal performance thread.. no, wait.. all your comments have been self-edited into nothing uhuh wounding, doc why do YOU have a 500 jeffery and hunt with it, rather than a 9,3x64 with solids? same reason.. easy enough to comprehend? first, justify hunting with anything other than a muzzle loader... justification is JUST the hunters, nor yours different scenerio, yeah? one's meat, one's thousands of dollars.. so, you are against all softs, especially A frame type bullets? you mean, of course, retained weight.. i agree, btw, for cup and core bullets. but to think its the holy grail? then A frame and partitions did that 50 years ago.. obviously NOT the grail. shot placement
nothing.. opinions vary opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Decaff man, decaff..... | |||
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paranoia ! | |||
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Experience SSR | |||
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heh.. thanks .. i just can't stand a intellectually dishonest person.. can't stand it.. which is why i drive some righties and lefties NUTZ opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Wow, you've referenced 20 posts .... you have too much time on your hands. You are not the OP and this is not your post. I know where the problem is. | |||
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200 gr Accubond at 2725 fps .588 BC  Elk 150 yds broadside DRT     ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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Reassuring performance Woods, how long is the barrel on your 30.06 as that's some impressive ballistics from that load. I struggle to get 2700 with 180s using H4350 from a 22" barrel, I had always thought Reloder 17 would be too fast for the heavier projectiles. | |||
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The barrel is 24" RL17 will become THE powder for the 30-06 before too long (IMO) ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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Minimum bullet weight for moose in sweden are 139gr at 2700j or 154gr at 2000j. 3006 with 180-200gr is one of the most common moose rounds here in Sweden. The other common ones are 308w with 180gr and 6,5*55 with 156gr bullets all of them do the job well. Now im using 165gr accubond in 308W works very good. | |||
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The 06 will do everything anyone needs in a rifle. A premium 180 is all you need and there is no magic formula. A moose is not hard to kill and anything 165 grains and up-preferably of premium manufacture-will work fine. I have no experience with camels and can't figure out why anyone would want to shoot one of those discusting critters. Just make sure his jockey is off his back before you shoot. | |||
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Ok so I've bought some 180 grain Partitions and some 200 grain Accubonds. For Powder I've bought some Reloder 17 and already have H4350 and H4381. Woods, I've been gathering data and according to this: http://www.alliantpowder.com/r...erid=25&cartridge=81 Your load is 4 grains over max?! I realise your OAL is longer but is that right? | |||
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Some others who used this load and MORE! The reloading data is very conservative for RL17 and the 30-06. I started lower at 52 grains, which is a medium load for IMR4350 (which RL17 is supposed to be close to) and got the velocity I expected (upper 2500) and loaded up looking for pressure signs. I actually loaded more than the load shown above and still no pressure signs and cases still holding primers after 6 loadings. Matter of fact in all the calibers I use RL17 for, the load data is (if existing) is much lower than it should be IMO. Have yet to see pressure signs in any of them. But everyone needs to start lower and work up like I did. ____________________________________ There are those who would misteach us that to stick in a rut is consistency - and a virtue, and that to climb out of the rut is inconsistency - and a vice. - Mark Twain | Chinese Proverb: When someone shares something of value with you and you benefit from it, you have a moral obligation to share it with others. ___________________________________ | |||
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Thanks Woods, that's reassuring to know. I'll have a play with quickload and see what I come up with. You may have just solved my problem. | |||
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