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I'll bet Todd has perfected beach volleyball in jeans.... | |||
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Boomer: Thanks for the kind words. PM me your poast address and I'll photocopy part 3 and post it to you. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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That's Right Ice Man! I AM Dangerous! | |||
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. . . more like Groundhog Day. Mike | |||
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Hi Boomer and welcome to AR. To give some background, there are but a few subjects around here that cause civil unrest, small to medium sized riots and regular indigestion of the sites owner. Of those, Mark Sullivan is likely the largest source of posts. I've known, liked and respected Mark for a long time. His hunting method for Buffalo is Polar to Saeed's. Mark likes it close and follows Buffalo up IMMEDIATELY. Saeed prefers the relative safety of distance. Simply pit, Offensive vs Defensive Buffalo hunting. Why Saeed has such heartburn for Mark is a giant mystery to me. I'd bet if the two got together they would be toasting one another by the end of the evening. So, welcome, sit back and enjoy watching the fireworks you've ignited. Happy New Year!! Oh, Peter Capstick is always in style as well. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Steve: I've called you, and known you as, a hunter, a friend, a sportsman, a gentleman, a patriot, a conservative, a wonderful father and family man, etc. Now there is one more to add: shit disturber! Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Happy New Year Cal, from the snow covered hinterlands of Arizona. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Damn, Steve, don't you know it's the 4th of July for the fireworks? Saeed won't know what to do with himself. He's already bashing the USA and Trump. Now with the MS issue again, he may vapor lock! A good new year to you, mate. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Oh hell, here we go for another 7 pages of repetition and innuendo.Sometimes you just can't kill a horse no matter how many times you beat it..... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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'Splains a lot. Happy New Year Cal J&J ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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To the rest of AR viewers: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Here we go again. Dave | |||
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I think Cal just want d to remind us that the title is wrong. It should be CHARGING MARK SULLIVAN MEETS A SLEEPING HIPPO | |||
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++++++123456,very well said DRSS | |||
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Hello Saeed, I made a slight, yet appropriate change to your post. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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A new year and you're still wishing you could be the man Mark is. You can be, but it'll take some work. Weights, testosterone, HGH, learn to stalk and get close, lose your fear of big game, etc… Cheers, my friend. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Forgive me for perpetuating this pointless thread BUT, and I swear this is my first and last post on this thread. Steve's post sums it up best for me. I have yet to see physical evidence of any of the innuendo and aspersions cast towards Mr Sullivan's hunting practices. I have yet to see, hear or read an actual client of his framing a complaint of the service or experience they have had in his company on one of his hunts. His style may not jel with yours, then good, don't book with him, it's all too easy. Personally, I wouldn't book with an outfitter who condones clients shooting buffalo at hundreds of yards either, but certainly wouldn't condemn them for it either. This tall poppy syndrome is boring gents, and surely we can find something a little more productive to do with our time than target other hunters with unbased speculation and innuendo. | |||
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My two cents on an always entertaining Mark Sullivan thread. I have no issue with Mark getting up close and personal, in fact I admire it. I don't care if he throws rocks at the hippo or buffalo first. My only issue (and his clients don't seem to mind by the way) is that he ends up shooting the quarry. I'm not sure why he brings a client along instead of just a photographer. Very entertaining as always! Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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Saeed, and all other members, A big Thanks are in order, Mr.Sullivan or not... this is one Fantastic Forum!! I spent almost all night cruising through various sections... Its HUGE and you can find/learn just about anything you can think of.. And best of all is the knowledge base here.... I love big bore rifles and this forum has it all. | |||
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I am so sick and tired of these worn out innuendos. I mean it's almost like you guys are looking at me like I owe you money. Of course I am always so happy to see a guy show up in camp with a scoped .375 and not an iron sighted double rifle! But of course its unarguable that well placed small caliber bullet is better than a poorly placed large caliber bullet. Obviously a guy shooting a heavy rifle is going to be an amature and the guys with the scoped .375 will be the old pro. It's not rocket surgery guys! Last but not least you should never fire a mono metal bullet in a double rifle. One should not have too strong of an opinion on the internet as it might offend others. And organic food is bull shit! And a happy new year to all. | |||
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I second this. Saeed, you and AR are the best! Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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You're just pissed because you only got to gawk at Rhonda Rousey for 48 seconds. I feel your pain. Happy New Year Jim & Joyce ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I watched that.....I just wanted to scream, Ronda hands are up but your elbows are open! Ronda chin down! Ronda HEAD movement sweetie! Ronda move laterally not straight in and out. Ronda keep out of her reach, get outside of her frame. Ronda FOOT WORK! Ronda move away wait her out, let her make a mistake THEN shoot in for the takedown. You can't bull your way in for a take down with a striker like Nunes! If I had a new student pulling that shit I'd have pulled them off the floor and worked out the kinks until they could protect themselves effectively before I'd let them put on a pair of gloves again. Cheese and Rice girl WTF!?! Happy new year to you guys too! | |||
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Is Rhonda Rousey the female equivalent of Mark Sullivan? | |||
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Mark has yet to have his ass kicked especially in 48 seconds! | |||
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But, Rhonda does not have a 600 Nitro Express rifle in her hands! | |||
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Just proves Mark is smarter than Rhonda. Mike | |||
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Doesn't take much to be smarter than a woman who enjoys having her head smashed up | |||
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During my first trip to SCI in the early 2000's I met Mr. Sullivan at his booth. He invited my wife and I to sit down with him and his family while they ate lunch and talk about doubles and hunting in Tanzania. He knew I couldn't afford a hunt with him but he still treated us like we just bought a 28 day safari. Mark is one of the nicest/authentic people I have met at any of the hunting shows. I have no doubt 99% of the stuff said about him is pure BS. That's more than I can say about some well known PH's and Safari companies I had conversations with over the years. | |||
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Regardless of what many think of the ethics of this type of hunting, it still takes some serious cajones! BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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I am spilling coffee all over my computer,my thanks to you gents for a good laugh ha ha ha ha ha ha. DRSS | |||
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Ethics? How does getting close and following up immediately, pose any ethical questions for anyone? To add; you should go back and search out an old thread from as long ago as 2012? It was from Mark Sullivan to AR and it was called "An open letter to AR" or something. he addresses nearly all his detractors and answers any questions most may have. Including the size of his Cojones. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Thread To members of AR, friends, and clients: It gives me great pleasure to have this opportunity to write you. To the surprise of many, I have not purposely avoided this day. I am not as well versed in the computer arena as many of you, nor do I wish to be. I live a simple life. I have never tried or wanted to be a disruptive influence. I go about my business one day at a time. I infringe upon no one. I expect the same from others. I suppose this is why I am misunderstood. People believe I am aloof; and perhaps even arrogant. I am none of the above. My intentions are honorable, I assure you. For my critics on this forum I now answer your allegations against me. I began my professional hunting career in Tanzania in 1990 at the age of 40. Then as now; I go about my business one day at a time. I offend no one. I am professional to everyone. I have no ax to grind and; no dog in the fight. As I did 20 years ago, I still, in my view, hunt for all of the right reasons and none of the bad as I have so often been accused. I do not hunt for the camera or to show off. I do not brag or boast. I instruct. I answer questions. I also write books. I make documentary hunting films that are responsible for thousands of hunters going on safari each year. My movies evoke great emotion. Either you like them or you do not. Regardless of your emotions so invoked, they are true. The charges are real. If you watch them with an unbiased eye, you will notice no edits ever occur moments before or during a charge. In all cases, my clients shoot first. My shot always follows theirs. The footage is unaltered. It is authentic as it happens footage. Whether you like what you see or not is a different matter. The life and death events depicted on the screen cannot be denied. In the wild, everyday is kill or be killed, eat or be eaten. My films simply show this raw side of nature. I suppose the reason why a great many people hate me and my movies, for lack of a better description, is I do what I do because it is who I am. Just as it may be your nature not to take chances, which makes you who and what you are. I love the confrontation. I seek it. I enjoy a fight to the death. I relish the idea that if I perform poorly I die a horrible death. I’m attracted to the cycle of life and death. I often try and get as close to death as I can, crossing the line if I choose, just to get a good whiff. Last season I enjoyed four outstanding life and death charges with as many clients. No cameraman was present. Each client came away with a life defining experience. Each one would do it again if given the opportunity. I know my manner and method of hunting is controversial. Yet, in my opinion, it represents the finest hunting there is. I honor the life I am about to take by offering my life in return. I can offer no more and therefore give hunting my all. If I fail to kill, I die. It is as simple as that. If we are to believe in the sport we call “dangerous game hunting,” then why do so many do everything in their power to remove as much danger as possible? Why call it dangerous game? Why not call it “least dangerous” if the object is to remove all danger? Why criticize me for accepting the danger in our sport? I do not like killing. I do like hunting—there is a difference. Anyone can kill a wounded Cape buffalo standing his ground 40 yards away. In my opinion, to do so is killing. On the other hand, to walk up and let that magnificent animal decide how he is to die in battle is great hunting. If you lack courage that is something I cannot help you with. But to condemn me because I have the courage you lack is unfair and unjust. For example, a client shoots and wounds a buffalo. Then the buffalo is allowed to run. The client and professional hunter sit down for 30 to 45 minutes to let the buffalo “stiffen.” Is the buffalo not suffering during this time? The buffalo is allowed to “stiffen” which is code word to die. Is that “dangerous game” hunting to you? I pursue my buffalo immediately, every time. I do not want to find him dead. I want him alive. I want him to charge to his death or mine should I fail to stop him. Killing is boring. Great hunting never is. This is who I am. While I am on this point of clients wounding dangerous game and how quickly I go after it, let me address the often-mentioned criticism that I not only risk my own life, but that of my client. Over the past 20 years I have been a professional hunter I have never had a client (or tracker) harmed by an animal being hunted. In every instance, I first obtain express permission from the client. More often than not, a client chooses me to hunt with because of the unique hunting experience I offer. A client knows I have the proven experience to close with dangerous game and correctly books his safari. If the truth be known, I make a pretty good insurance policy. Mr. Kim Petersen posted a letter addressed to me. I wish to answer his allegations. The first is I intentionally wound buffalo so as to prompt them into charging. This is not true. I instruct my clients to always make the best possible shot. The indisputable fact is clients shoot poorly and nothing will ever change that reality. Coupled with the fact buffalo are notoriously difficult to kill, these two conditions make hunting them a challenge. I know many of you have killed buffalo with one shot. That is not the norm. Buffalo take a great deal of killing. I know. I have the experience to prove it. The notion that I use a .22 to shoot buffalo in the balls is not worth the effort I am about to make to dispute it, but here it goes anyway. I do not know where you hunt your buffalo. Where I hunt my buffalo the grass, bush, trees, and every other obstacle God created obscures most parts of a buffalo anyhow. In 20 years I do not recall ever seeing the testicles of a buffalo before he was shot nor have I ever had any inclination to try and shoot them. What is the point? For those who have no penchant for ever doing what I do, I can only imagine their minds race wild with things that don’t matter. If you want a buffalo to charge, put yourself in front of him, let him see you, then walk directly at him. The notion that I would waste my time using a .22 should embarrass those spreading the rumor. The second question is more of a statement than a question. After a client takes his shot on dangerous game, I determine whether or not a backup shot is necessary or even possible. The last thing I want is for a wounded animal to get away. Contrary to what I have been accused of, I do fire backup shots quickly. More often than not, I have been blamed for firing too quickly, too often. I shoot as a backup for a number of reasons. Clients demand that I do. I determine they need help by observing their skills or lack thereof. If I am filming I believe more gun shots are better than fewer gun shots. I remember purchasing a hunting movie where I waited 45 minutes to hear the first gun shot. That may be the kind of movie you like to watch, but not me. The second part of this is I “taunt my prey…for the purpose of filming a charge.” While this statement seems logical to the inexperienced, it is precisely for that reason why it is not true. Let me explain. An inexperienced client, or equally inexperienced professional hunter, wrongly believes that in order to get a wounded buffalo to charge, you must first “taunt” him. The very fact that someone says this tells me he has limited dangerous game experience and does not know what he says. His knowledge of wounded buffalo behavior is incomplete or simply nonexistent. Let me set the record straight. There are two kinds of buffalo; those that run and those that charge. Ninety-five percent of all wounded buffalo fall into the first category. Those that run will never charge. They are cowards and no amount of campfire story telling will change that fact. The five percent that charge do not have to be taunted at all. The moment it sees you they charge. The idea that it must be taunted into charging is simply untrue. The mere fact that you have violated their personal space by being there is enough to set them off. What is not known beforehand is which kind of buffalo you are confronting. I have never had a buffalo that first runs away, later turn and charge. In my new book “Fear No Death” I go into great detail about this and much more. Anyone interested in knowing what I know should obtain a copy. The third item, “my clients must sign a non-disclosure agreement” is a new one. I marvel at the creativity of the Mark Sullivan haters of the world. It reminds me when people say my cajones are the size of grapefruit. While I am sure they are trying to flatter me, I later set the record straight and confessed they are the size of watermelons. Directing a client not to talk about his safari with Mark Sullivan would be like trying to tell your wife she can’t go shopping. My clients are highly educated professional people and would never sign such a document. I could no more tell them what to do than they could tell me. The fourth question conflicts with question #2. On the one hand I am accused of not “firing backup shots to kill a buffalo” at the first opportunity and now I am accused of firing shots “on top of my clients.” Let me tell you this story. In 1997 I did not have a cameraman. Sensitive to the criticism that I shoot clients game “on their dime” I decided to experiment. I would not help a single client shoot his buffalo, except if one charged, and none did. The next three clients wounded five buffalo and all were lost. Each bull had an outside horn measurement greater than 40 inches with one I was sure would exceed 45 inches. All shots were standing broadside shots under 100 yards. The animals seemingly there for the taking and yet they were lost to die a horrible death in the bush. I ask you, “Is that what you want?” Do you wish me not to shoot so the animal runs off never to be found? I cannot believe any hunter wants that. I certainly do not. I believe we have an obligation to kill the animal as quickly and as humanely as possible. In my movie Death by the TON, the young man’s statement deserves an explanation. I was perturbed you may say, but not for the reasons you state. This is where the way I hunt differs from how you hunt. The reason why I was disappointed is because the charging hippo was too far away to be shot. He was 21 feet away. In my opinion that is too far for a certain killing shot. My instructions to my client (before we entered the arena) were to wait until the hippo breaks the 10 foot barrier before shooting. He did not do that. I do not believe in shooting early. Twenty one feet is much too far. Why is it too far? It goes to the core of how I hunt dangerous game. I believe 10 feet is the correct distance to begin shooting; not 21 feet. It is all about the hunt, not the kill. At 10 feet it is hunting. At 21 feet it is killing. This is how I hunt. By the way, for those of you who have never stood just ten feet in front of a charging animal, there is not a lot of time to shoot. This is why it appears I am shooting “on top of my client” to the inexperienced. If you disagree that is fine. However, your disagreeing with me does not make you right. Conversely, these are solely my views. They do not make me correct either. I prefer to let my clients determine if my hunting method is right for them. Tomorrow, Saturday, I leave for Tanzania to begin my 21st season. I will not be present to respond to your comments. If I have insulted any of you, please accept my full and complete apology. My intention is not to irritate. My writing manner is direct much like my manner and method of hunting. This is how I am made. It is what makes me—me. I have no trouble with those who disagree. But until you hunt with me you will never know me. I have more clients this year than I have ever had. I do not hold a gun to their heads to get them to sign up. They come to me willingly and leave as life-long friends. I welcome each and everyone one of you to do the same. Remember, shoot straight and let them come close! In closing, I wish to personally thank those in support of my SCI situation. I know many of you have written SCI on my behalf. I cannot begin to thank you enough. I am humbled by your generosity. I am honored with your friendship. Recently I renewed my membership for an additional three years. Regardless of their treatment of me, I will continue to support SCI at every opportunity. Great Hunting and Best Wishes, Mark Sullivan Professional Hunter ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Having spent several days hunting birds and hogs with Mark as well as having extended discussions with him about his hunting methods, I am willing to bet that most everyone here would agree with him about hunting if they really got to know him. He LOVES hunting. He loves the outdoors. He has some incredible rifles with serious history. He is a student of old Africa. Hell of a nice guy. I am even willing to bet that Saeed would like him. Hell of a nice guy with a great sense of humor. | |||
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Mark is a hunting celebrity and makes his money from film as does a host of other so called famous hunting individuals. Larry if you say he is a good bugger then I believe you as by all accounts you are a good bugger also. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Mark is a true hunter, a (as many of you say) true american, a real Gentleman, a great expert in african hunting, wildlife and equipment. We send two times a week togehter in my country. We speak, go to sport, drink, drive to thes shooting range, pp., and for an "small hunt". I can say only positive things about him. Best wishes. The B". | |||
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Smart enuff to make $3,000,000.00 in 48 sec | |||
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Hahaha! She sure IS smarter than Mark Sullivan! Does she do any heavy breathing? | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Saeed: Hahaha! She sure IS smarter than Mark Sullivan! Does she do any heavy breathing? [/QUOTE Yes and she's not even a Muslin go figure ] | |||
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Yes. It has been long forgotten, until one of the worshipers stepped up to the alter to renew his worship of this self obsessed nut! | |||
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