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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Nganga:
The fools that ridicule. Most sports have fragmented factions within them. Marks DG style is just that: a small faction that likes the thrill, the possibility of a confrontation.

Hunting buffalo from 100 yards is no more dangerous that shooting a Tommy at 300 yards.

If Mark chose to not confront, he has that option, his option means (with buffalo) to follow up immediately, to approach from the front. making the buffalo either charge or run.

It's really no more difficult than that.

As far a shooting clients game, he must decide to either shoot or let a client get run over. What would you choose Jerry? you obviously feel talented enough in these matters to conduct your own Bongo hunt.

If a man chooses to climb K2 or Everest is he also a fool? or has he chosen to live by his own measure not to allow society to decide which box to live within. Isn't this activity also putting ones life at stake for really no other purpose than the primal desire for adrenaline?

Mark Sullivan is his own man, much more than I can say for the following sycophants on this forum and others. You need not agree with his style to offer respect.

which would i choose? shoot the SOB at 21 feet, 25 feet, 50 feet. this whole bullshit he espoused about waiting until 10 feet as the honorable/brave thing to do leaves no room for error- hence the need to double tap him simultaneously. i suppose he would let a charging elephant close to 10 feet then brain him- and hope it's momentum didn't cause it to fall on him or his client. i can see the title now- TEMBO AT 10 FEET....

Jerry,
That, is exactly the entire point with Mark. At 50 yards is DG hunting dangerous?

There are purist expedition mountain climbers and there are tourists. A purist would not even consider using supplemental o's. A tourist doesn't even see the difference. They, simple have lowered the summit.

Shooting at those distances lowers the "summit" of dangerous game hunting.

These are MY opinions, as Marks are his, he doesn't force them on anyone.

i believe my post said 50 FEET, not 50 yards.....

I gotta admit...I'm not going to condemn a man who desires to hunt that way...Bigger "cojones" than me for sure...He's definitely in the ZONE by choice...more power to him if he gets a rush from this!

Under one condition...He ain't purposely wounding animals to get a charge!!!


I prefer a little bit of space though instead of stuff dying at my feet

He's doing it his way...no harm no foul!

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Originally posted by jdollar:
i believe my post said 50 FEET, not 50 yards.....

You get my point Jerry. Guys like you seem to have all the answers but don't even understand the questions. It's obvious to me you have a serious case of penis envy for Mark Sullivan. Penis envy so bad you are going to go play PH on your own.

It makes me wonder, why you are so hyper critical of anything on this forum but what fits neatly into your approved compartments.

You appear to me to be a bitter old man, incapable of enjoying anything that you didn't think of first. You nit pick guys like George but don't seem to own a mirror.

I bet Mark Sullivan's life just won't be complete until he has you as a client.

Your view of your own status here seems to be one of a zero sum game, your status would be diminished by complementing or raising the status of another.

Self confidence is liberating.

Insecurity at the expense of others is foolhardy.

I'll save you the trouble, I could not care less if you like me, or what my personal equity of popularity is here. Like Mark, I am my own man.

no, actually i don't get your point. allowing an animal to close to 10' before shooting just seems stupid. would you allow an elephant or lion( or anything else)to get that close before shooting? as far as George goes, well, my opinion( and those of many others here) remains unchanged....and i am not sure what penis size has to do with the discussion.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
no, actually i don't get your point. allowing an animal to close to 10' before shooting just seems stupid. would you allow an elephant or lion( or anything else)to get that close before shooting? as far as George goes, well, my opinion( and those of many others here) remains unchanged....and i am not sure what penis size has to do with the discussion.

It has everything to do with ones attitude. Self confidence precludes most of us from diminishing others. I am not referring to only George. I don't understand yours (or anyones) desire to be so critical of this stuff. Saeed shoots buffalo at long distances, I don't, but don't feel the need to drone on and on and on about it. He does it his way, others may choose a different way.

I've never hunted with Mark. I knew him pretty well when he lived in Phoenix. He was an dynamic part of the beginning of the Phoenix Chapter.

Will I ever hunt with Mark? don't know, can't say but regardless my personal feelings, he has accomplished more, much more, than most men will ever accomplish.

If you don't want to hunt with him, don't. How about Ivan Carter? where's you criticism of his "up close" style on Jumbos in thick cover?

How about Buzz, needing to stop cows just from being close to them? I would have some respect for you if you were even handed in your dissent.

I am open minded enough to perhaps experience all these things.

When I have a rifle in my hands, and an animal is standing in the open, I don't care how far or close he is.

I am NOT in any danger.

That animal IS going to die.

You wants to show me how brave you are?

Kill the hippo with your own hands.

Of course, we will never see this happen.

Just as I thought, this silly idiot is only glorified by people like to walk in his shoes.

Not me.

there is no other way to hunt elephant in the jesse than up close. having spent some time there chasing buff, you are lucky if you can see 50'- forget 50 yards. i simply don't understand the need to close on an animal, provoke a charge and wait for the animal to cross the magic 10'line. to each his own, but self preservation is at the top of my list of instincts.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
When I have a rifle in my hands, and an animal is standing in the open, I don't care how far or close he is.

I am NOT in any danger.

That animal IS going to die.

You wants to show me how brave you are?

Kill the hippo with your own hands.

Of course, we will never see this happen.

Just as I thought, this silly idiot is only glorified by people like to walk in his shoes.

Not me.

Saeed,
That is my point, I don't have a problem with your style. Our hunting styles and taste may be different, but I don't oppose yours.

Jerry,
You just said "to each his own" that is my real point.

10 feet and to each his own will eventually get someone hurt- just glad it won't be me. i was amazed that Mark is only 2 years younger than me- 63. being a bitter old man, i guess that makes Mark a ballsy old man....

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Originally posted by jbderunz:
In my opinion, Mark is developping a market niche for those who want to approach big game for adrenalin. I second you, that he takes the lion's share but if the client is happy so be it. Some feel happy with a macho leading the show.
Secondly, the largest mystery is how to entice big game to charge. In my limited experience with dangerous game, elephants and rhino apart, they all flee as soon as they take notice of you, that's why big game hunting requires 2 weeks at least. Most of the approachs fail until we manage to outsmart the game. Hunting would be a cinch should the game on a regular basis charge.
Mark is a showman. He got fame from his videos and is acting according to his special market niche.
I feel neutral with this guy. Not my cup of tea at all, but there is no accounting for tastes.

JB, I have seen a couple of your posts over the last week or so. It is good to have you posting. I hope all is well. Without you around some people get the impression that Wink is typical of the folks that live in France.

jdollar: You mentioned letting a charging elephand get within 10 feet, before shooting. In fact that does happen, probably more than we know, as can't always see them too much further away in the bush. Friend of mine, when, I think he said, 12, shot his first Elephant, frontal brain shot, from 10 feet or so. Used an 06 and 220gr hardnosed bullet.

Someone said about the cavemen giving up their stones, and sharp sticks for hunting, when something better came along. But we're no longer talking subsistance hunting, we're talking sport hunting, where the entire purpose of the game is to show you can outwit the game and get close to it. If you're a real hunter, you strive to show you can get up close enough to hit the game in the butt, with your rifle, then shoot. Shooting something is not the same as hunting. The last 1/2 dozen deer I've shot were from 10 yards to 50 or so yards. Hitting them at long range not the problem, I killed an East Cape Kudu, at 275 yds, because there was no way to get closer. But would have preferred to get in closer. but they were on another hillside across from me with no way to get closer. Elmer Keith used to say, do all your hunting before you pull the trigger.

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Originally posted by ExpressYourself:
Dear Shawn,

One day I may die because of how I hunt dangerous game. So what! My clients (without exception) love it. They seek me out just as surely as we seek "death on the hoof." Yes, my client missed the brain; his bullet striking one of the two big bottom tusks. Of course he was disappointed with his shooting, but when asked if risking his life was worth the risk...he said yes!

Shakespeare once wrote; a fearful man dies a thousand deaths while a brave man dies but once! If Saeed and all his like-minded buddies were women their "periods" would never end!

One thing for certain; my critics will never get testicular cancer. None of them have any balls!

You can quote me on this!

Mark

Mark, self-parody is not supposed to be unintentional.

Another quick thing. If folks read Marks note, and understood it, he clearly states that he does NOT provoke the animals to charge. As he notes, most will turn and run off. but there are those who won't, and they resent you, so if walking towards them is provoking, well maybe he does. But that's not what provoking means to me.

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Originally posted by tysue:
jdollar: You mentioned letting a charging elephand get within 10 feet, before shooting. In fact that does happen, probably more than we know, as can't always see them too much further away in the bush. Friend of mine, when, I think he said, 12, shot his first Elephant, frontal brain shot, from 10 feet or so. Used an 06 and 220gr hardnosed bullet.

Someone said about the cavemen giving up their stones, and sharp sticks for hunting, when something better came along. But we're no longer talking subsistance hunting, we're talking sport hunting, where the entire purpose of the game is to show you can outwit the game and get close to it. If you're a real hunter, you strive to show you can get up close enough to hit the game in the butt, with your rifle, then shoot. Shooting something is not the same as hunting. The last 1/2 dozen deer I've shot were from 10 yards to 50 or so yards. Hitting them at long range not the problem, I killed an East Cape Kudu, at 275 yds, because there was no way to get closer. But would have preferred to get in closer. but they were on another hillside across from me with no way to get closer. Elmer Keith used to say, do all your hunting before you pull the trigger.

i have no doubt that charging elephants are shot at 10'. i do doubt that someone would intentionally let them close to that distance on purpose instead of taking an open shot at 25'....

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Originally posted by tysue:
Another quick thing. If folks read Marks note, and understood it, he clearly states that he does NOT provoke the animals to charge. As he notes, most will turn and run off. but there are those who won't, and they resent you, so if walking towards them is provoking, well maybe he does. But that's not what provoking means to me.

Then what is your interpretation of "to provoke" regarding the topic of a wounded buffalo not being shot at, at the first opportunity but purposely walked up on with the intent of getting it to charge?

Please give us your opinion why MS does not get his client to shoot it the moment it is sighted, be it standing or lying down; why is it we always get to see MS walking up to it and not the client?

For someone who professes great knowledge of the Cape Buffalo Mr. Sullivan certainly engages in a lot of anthropomorphism. To characterize any animal as "brave" or "cowardly", and to assume that a given animal will react based on those characteristics rather than circumstances or natural aggression betrays, to me at least, a romanticized view of the natural world that seeks to order it as one would wish it to be rather than as it is.

Bravery and cowardice are purely human concepts, and ascribing them to Cape Buffalo, or any other animal, is no different from what bunny huggers do and rightfully get derided for.

And confusing bravery with bravado is equally nonsensical.

Mark Sullivan's "style" is bad for sport hunting in general because it feeds into the misconception that hunting is primarily about killing. Perceptions matter, whether we think they should or not. Under Wild Skies got dropped by NBC and The Outdoor Channel because of the perception that Makris "shot an elephant in the face", with no realization that an elephant facing you may well have its "face" between you and its brain.

Furthermore, once any animal is wounded it should be finished at the first presented opportunity without any bullshit about "choosing" anything. It didn't "choose" to get shot to begin with, asshole. Finish it.

When it comes to topics like this you would think after a while people would just say to each his own and assume most people know their position by now.............AND NOT POST TO PAGE @#$%^&* 10 EVERY TIME MARK COMES UP!!!!!

Brett

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Originally posted by BrettAKSCI:
When it comes to topics like this you would think after a while people would just say to each his own and assume most people know their position by now.............AND NOT POST TO PAGE @#$%^&* 10 EVERY TIME MARK COMES UP!!!!!

Brett

Well said, Brett. I believe if a report was posted about MS helping an old lady cross the street, he would draw derision and fire.

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Originally posted by BrettAKSCI:
When it comes to topics like this you would think after a while people would just say to each his own and assume most people know their position by now.............AND NOT POST TO PAGE @#$%^&* 10 EVERY TIME MARK COMES UP!!!!!

Brett

Right on Brett!!!

Can't we just let the man be? This whole MS thing is so OLD, that its just beyond pathetic!!

I do like his books/videos though - just sayin!

How he gets them to charge is no mystery at all, I am sad to say. IMHO, if you have clients blazing away at buff at long range over iron sights with large DRs you will INEVITABLY cause a higher rate of wounding than "normal". If you then immediately walk up on them they will often charge. Now I am not accusing anyone of premeditated wounding but there seems to be a pattern in some of the vids.

I have no problem with anyone facing down a charge and dispatching the animal. But I do feel uncomfortable with how MS appears to wilfully create that situation, with buff in particular. I very much hope none of his clients get run over.

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Originally posted by jbderunz:
In my opinion, Mark is developping a market niche for those who want to approach big game for adrenalin. I second you, that he takes the lion's share but if the client is happy so be it. Some feel happy with a macho leading the show.
Secondly, the largest mystery is how to entice big game to charge. In my limited experience with dangerous game, elephants and rhino apart, they all flee as soon as they take notice of you, that's why big game hunting requires 2 weeks at least. Most of the approachs fail until we manage to outsmart the game. Hunting would be a cinch should the game on a regular basis charge.
Mark is a showman. He got fame from his videos and is acting according to his special market niche.
I feel neutral with this guy. Not my cup of tea at all, but there is no accounting for tastes.

There are those who think MS is bad for the image of hunters (myself included), and there are those who like to polish his knob.

To each their own.

It just makes me wonder about the motive for posting a promotion for him if the expected negative responses are unwanted. If you don't want your hero tarnished - don't post about him.

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Originally posted by Seamaster:
There are those who think MS is bad for the image of hunters (myself included), and there are those who like to polish his knob.

To each their own.

It just makes me wonder about the motive for posting a promotion for him if the expected negative responses are unwanted. If you don't want your hero tarnished - don't post about him.

That's a very black and white way of looking at it.

I dont care much for Mark Sullivans type of show, but I sure would like to see him try a Leopard at 10 feet give or take........

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

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Originally posted by BrettAKSCI:
When it comes to topics like this you would think after a while people would just say to each his own and assume most people know their position by now.............AND NOT POST TO PAGE @#$%^&* 10 EVERY TIME MARK COMES UP!!!!!

Brett

Right on Brett!!!

Can't we just let the man be? This whole MS thing is so OLD, that its just beyond pathetic!!

I do like his books/videos though - just sayin!

"Oh oh, but wait! Mark Sullivan does this.........and so I think this about him........."

Ah great! The first 1,000 times I heard that arguement it didn't sink in....but the 1,001st time I've heard it now it really makes sense and I'm changing my mind!

Brett

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Originally posted by Seamaster:
There are those who think MS is bad for the image of hunters (myself included), and there are those who like to polish his knob.

I had a message from an AR member.

He basically likens those who like to hunt with Mark Sullivan are no different than those who enjoy watching other men having sex wit their wives!

Sounds just about right too!

I think MS intimidates the living shit out of you, Saeed.
You can't seem to contain yourself anytime the mere mention of his name comes up.

Almost like a nervous tick... I find it quite humorous as does MS, I am sure.

I am also sure he appreciates the free publicity (not that he needs it).

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Originally posted by ExpressYourselfear Shawn,One day I may die because of how I hunt dangerous game. So what! My clients (without exception) love it. They seek me out just as surely as we seek "death on the hoof." Yes, my client missed the brain; his bullet striking one of the two big bottom tusks. Of course he was disappointed with his shooting, but when asked if risking his life was worth the risk...he said yes! Shakespeare once wrote; a fearful man dies a thousand deaths while a brave man dies but once! If Saeed and all his like-minded buddies were women their "periods" would never end!One thing for certain; my critics will never get testicular cancer. None of them have any balls!You can quote me on this!Mark

That is correct.
Best wishes.

F.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I had a message from an AR member.

He basically likens those who like to hunt with Mark Sullivan are no different than those who enjoy watching other men having sex wit their wives!

Sounds just about right too!

This reminds me of that old question "Are you still cheating on your taxes?"

Shawn

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I had a message from an AR member.

He basically likens those who like to hunt with Mark Sullivan are no different than those who enjoy watching other men having sex wit their wives!

Sounds just about right too!

Or perhaps watching another man's safari, piece by piece, shot by shot?

These MS threads aren't even in the same circus different clowns category. They are same circus SAME clowns and that is a truly pathetic state of affairs for AR....

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I had a message from an AR member.
He basically likens those who like to hunt with Mark Sullivan are no different than those who enjoy watching other men having sex with their wives!
Sounds just about right too!

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Originally posted by Seamaster:
There are those who think MS is bad for the image of hunters (myself included), and there are those who like to polish his knob.

Lightning has struck twice here. Touche'-Touche'.

Interesting thread. I must question where all this MS bashing comes from. Is it jealousy? I spent time chatting with Mark about doubles, the makers, rear trigger first , etc. I and found him to be a pleasant, normal guy. No big ego. I was very impressed with him. He's the real deal. He has been there, done that. He did not share with me that his balls were the size of watermelons, thank God! He gets a premium for his hunts due to his fame/infamy. If I had a bunch of extra money I would book with Mark in a heart beat!

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Originally posted by surestrike:
These MS threads aren't even in the same circus different clowns category. They are same circus SAME clowns and that is a truly pathetic state of affairs for AR....

+1

Am I the only one here who sees that this pimp for marky is just generating conversation to try and book some hunts for the Supreme Asshole; aka "give me enough money and I will kill your trophy animals for you..."

Can we get him banned now?

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Am I the only one here who sees that this pimp for marky is just generating conversation to try and book some hunts for the Supreme Asshole; aka "give me enough money and I will kill your trophy animals for you..."

Can we get him banned now?

He has done nothing to warrant banning, Rich.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Am I the only one here who sees that this pimp for marky is just generating conversation to try and book some hunts for the Supreme Asshole; aka "give me enough money and I will kill your trophy animals for you..."

Can we get him banned now?

16,638 posts in the last 8 years or 6 post per day for the last 8 year and this is where your "AR maturity" has taken you? Perhaps you should be working on spending more time taking a few hundred more 400" class elk and a little less time posting on AR.......

Brett

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Am I the only one here who sees that this pimp for marky is just generating conversation to try and book some hunts for the Supreme Asshole; aka "give me enough money and I will kill your trophy animals for you..."

Can we get him banned now?

Perhaps we should also consider deleting the Hunting Report Forum and while we’re are at it start a forum wide policy that forbids mentioning anyone’s name in the business or posting pictures related to a PH as well. Perhaps if I started some juvenile name calling, making sexual comments, and exercising foul language more often you might find me to be a little more palatable.

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Originally posted by Scottyboy:
I think MS intimidates the living shit out of you, Saeed.
You can't seem to contain yourself anytime the mere mention of his name comes up.

Almost like a nervous tick... I find it quite humorous as does MS, I am sure.

I am also sure he appreciates the free publicity (not that he needs it).

You mean like he intimidates all the honest professional hunters in Africa who thinks he is the worst advert for their profession?