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I don't know John Sharp, but know of him. I've read about him and some of his works and based on all that I have to say he seems to be a pretty admirable guy. And, yes, I'd love to hunt with him. That being said, or written rather, I totally disagree with what he just posted on his Facebook account: I AM ASKING ALL OF MY FRIENDS TO REMOVE THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF DEAD ANIMALS FROM THEIR FB PAGES. THE ANTI HUNTERS ARE WINNING THEIR BATTLE TO GET ALL HUNTING STOPPED AND THERE ARE MANY WAYS FOR THEM TO GET THESE PHOTOS OFF YOUR SITE. PLEASE FOLKS, THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS THREAT AND WE ALL NEED TO STAND TOGETHER ON THIS - PHOTOS OF DEAD ANIMALS SIMPLY GIVES THEM MORE AMMUNITION AGAINST US. WHY NOT POST PICTURES OF LIVE ANIMALS INSTEAD? THANK YOU, John Sharp I feel, and strongly, that we need to do the opposite. Hunters need to take to social media in droves. After all, we aren't ashamed of what we do. We believe in what we do. So why hide. Thoughts? | ||
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I think you are wrong. There is no good to come from showing even more pictures of dead critters. This will further solidify the other sides opinion of us. | |||
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i have to say i agree with john - "The greatest threat to our wildlife is the thought that someone else will save it” www.facebook.com/ivancartersafrica www.ivancarterwca.org www.ivancarter.com ivan@ivancarter.com | |||
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I disagree folks. Social media is just another media avenue and no different that having hunting shows on TV, hunting books and magazines, and sporting shows and conventions. What we are writing on right now - is social media. | |||
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how the tide changes. Only a few years ago every p/h and his uncle was splashing trophy pictures online, in print media , now they are trying to erase them? Really? We stand by what We believe in and make no excuses to the contrary. Life is all about personal choices, If you find pornography offensive, don't look at it... If hunting photo 's are going to offend you, likewise do not view the content. If we run and try and hide every time the anti's have a go at our industry , what message is that sending them, they have now gained some more ground on us...what happened to standing our ground and defending ourselves and what we believe in? | |||
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Cecil would not have been an international pissing match (at least to the extent it became) had there been no kill pictures. Virtually every anti-hunting story has accompanied a picture of the hunter with their kill. Question for those who are pro-photographs - What benefit to preserving hunting rights does a kill picture serve? ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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I have to agree with Gayne, and the rest of you need to really take a look at REALITY. Whether or not a single hunter ever posts another picture of an animal they killed on a hunt, ANYWHERE on the Internet, the anti's are going to continue to work at getting hunting taken away from us. Pulling our heads in our shell like a turtle and PRETENDING the anti's will back off is simply admitting defeat. Collectively, hunters will never be able to convert a single anti-hunter to our way of thinking. Are hunters going to replace homosexuals that came out of the closet by taking their place in the closet? Not posting hunting pictures on FB, merely gives proof to the anti's and builds their confidence, that they are winning. I am with Gayne on this one, giving up only hastens the demise of something we enjoy. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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. just a question - did John actually post that or did someone post it on his site for him ? . "Up the ladders and down the snakes!" | |||
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Does this include hunt reports and photos posted here? The antis seem to lurk around this site from what I understand. | |||
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It is called ammunition. It will be used against us. Think about it. Jeff | |||
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As I have said on other threads, the goal should be to educate people regarding hunting as a conservation tool and simultaneously to saturate the web with images such that they become possibly annoying to some but ultimately no big deal to most. What is the saying about a single death being a tragedy but a million being a mere statistic? This will apply here. If you cut the image count to a dozen or even one, anti-hunters will absolutely fixate on that image it will be used more strongly against you anyway. Therefore reducing the numbers is pointless at least and productive at most. Educate and saturate, educate and saturate! | |||
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There is a reason why marketing agencies use a picture of a poor starving child to loosen your wallet for donations. While we have all seen plenty of pictures of a poor starving children, we respond to yet another picture of a poor starving child. Cecil would not have been a story without the kill photo. Question for those who are pro-photographs - What benefit to preserving hunting rights does a kill picture serve? ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Professor, THE key is to saturate the the social media outlets with the benefits of conservation/hunting. Then you can begin to intersperse your dead animal photos to taste. In this environment where you as well as anyone the hypersensitive tirggers of dead animals won't help. First we educate about how necessary hunting is to conservation. Second the pendulum has to swing away from the pussification of the world. Jeff | |||
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how bout just getting off facebook | |||
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Mjines makes an appearance to lecture all of us in 3......2......1..... | |||
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Amen. Facebook is an abomination. Only the weak minded or attention seekers do facebook, whether for business profit (understandable at least) or whatever fifty or more shades of F'ed up (not to be encouraged). | |||
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Saturate? Mike | |||
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+1, although it is there and it is not going away so using it (and Twitter and other social media outlets) to communicate aggressively on conservation and related issues is essential. You Tube is another to be avoided for hunting videos . . . I posted several a number of years ago to include as part of a hunt report . . . today I would not go down that road. Mike | |||
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And then film/video? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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It's rather sad to see how not only our freedom to hunt is being eroded but freedom of expression is also now at stake. Not only hunting videos as Fairgame says, but what about fishing pictures? Hell, soon we won't be able to upload pictures of our kids in fear of the PC brigade! Eardley Rudman | |||
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Well said Andrew. Hard to have it both ways. Dave Fulson | |||
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Well, it took some time to find out who Andrew was but now that I did... | |||
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What about your hunting shows? I really enjoy yours.....would hate to see it gone. . | |||
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It'll be cold day in hell before I give any anti hunters a quarter All you worry warts, just think about what you are saying. It's sad day when guys that make living off hunting and filming hunting telling us to refrain from showing our own pics to others We should take advice from queers and start beating the drums and demand protection as minority... " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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I think we should post pictures of our hunts but they should be tasteful. A minimum of blood and gore, posed properly and treated with respect. NO STUPID POSES, CLOSE UPS OF BLOODY BULLET HOLES, CRAZY GRINS LIKE YOU JUST SCREWED THE PROM QUEEN/KING, HIGH FIVES, BACKSLAPPING AND OTHER WEIRDO, JACKASS BEHAVIOR. | |||
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As someone who makes a living in the outdoors and DOES POST ON FACEBOOK, I agree | |||
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Wish boarkiller was my facebook friend. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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I respect John but I couldn't disagree more. Where does it stop? Like Andrew said, film , video, websites, written articles?? I enjoying seeing and sharing photos of hunts and animals through different outlets such as reports, articles, videos, and yes the all evil FB. I'm not an in your face kind of guy, but I'll be damned if I'll let the fear of any repercussions from the antis dictate where I share photos. With that said I am carful to not share the bloodied deer hanging off the tailgate kind of photos. | |||
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One needs to know when he is in the presence of pure genius... Jeff | |||
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What little I do on Facebook is very restricted by my settings, and the only reason I am on there is some hunting friends. I try and avoid gruesome shots, but I don't restrict what animals I put up there. I did get a complaint about my picture of my elephant there, and when I looked at the photo, it was not bad, other than being an elephant. I explained to Facebook that it was a legal activity that provided community benefit, and haven't heard boo since then. Self moderation is needed. No shots of wounded game being chased down, and no video without context. I think having video of just the kill shot is the biggest culprit. In essence, if you would get complaints from a bunch of your coworkers, don't post it, but having a few trophy pictures isn't going to hurt anything. If we hide, we will lose in the long run. | |||
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I completely disagree with John, and apparently half of the people posting on this topic. I think social media is probably our best tool for shedding positive light on hunting, I just think most people who are posting hunting photos are using it incorrectly. There are plenty of distasteful photos on social media that, frankly, come from distasteful people. Not all hunters are like that, and I think it's our duty to at least try and portray ourselves in a positive manner. I would suggest that each and every one of you invite any of the anti's who post on your photos to a private conversation off of social media, whether it be via email or phone. It's their choice whether or not to accept your invitation, but the majority of the time they do. Getting them one on one they're actually fairly easy to deal with because none of them really know what they're talking about, they are just part of the lynch mob that showed up to make noise. I get some negative comments on Instagram in part because I've got a fairly large group of followers, and the more people liking your photos the more people will find you (good or bad). I have had great success in educating them once I talk to them one on one, and do it frequently. It's a time consuming proposition, but if it helps us in the long run I'm happy to do it. Instagram is a great platform for spreading a positive message, much more so than Facebook in my opinion because it's easier to manage who sees your material if a large group of anti's hits your page, and much harder for people to steal your photos and use them elsewhere. I think people should post more informative and tasteful photos as well. As an example - Instead of posting a photo of you with your Civet saying "me and my African Civet", explain to people what a Civet is (size, color, taxonomic information), where they live, what their numbers are in this area, life expectancy, and what was done with your Civet after hunting it. I do this on Instagram all the time and it works tremendously to curb anti-hunting vitriol. Again, it takes a while, but it works. I do draw the line with the ones who threaten me or wish harm upon myself or clients. I don't think they can be reasoned with and don't waste my time. Delete the comment, block the individual and move on. Greg Brownlee Neal and Brownlee, LLC Quality Worldwide Big Game Hunts Since 1975 918/299-3580 greg@NealAndBrownlee.com www.NealAndBrownlee.com Instagram: @NealAndBrownleeLLC Hunt reports: Botswana 2010 Alaska 2011 Bezoar Ibex, Turkey 2012 Mid Asian Ibex, Kyrgyzstan 2014 | |||
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Mr Unger hit the nail on the head! Well said my friend. Tasteful,non bloody, RESPECTFUL photography \ video, is the key. No denying that fact. But to retreat from who I am, what I enjoy, and how I make my living...not me. We need to be smart,and again respectful in our presentations, but I also enjoy seeing pics, watching video, reading books and articles about hunting. Shooting and killing animals when we get lucky is the reasonable conclusion to our efforts. Like the PGA televising a golf tournament, tee to green, but , for whatever reason, deciding not to air the final putt? I do not get it.It makes us look like we are hiding from the reality of our sport. Dumbasss redneck deer on the hood, or idiot sitting on a dead lion? Done and done, but not posting pics I am proud of to my friends? I am happy to decline on that. All respect to John, who has earned it, but I simply do not agree. I have written for over 25 years, and produced hunting TV shows and dvd's coming on 12 years. The death threats and hate mail have become a part of my life, and I accept them as what they are. Cheers... Dave Fulson | |||
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There is one reality - if we as hunters dont look inwards - the vast majority will force us through corporate or political pressure. We can hold on to our hunting rights and believes and hope some miracle will occur and the anti hunters will go away = they wont - they are getting stronger and more influencialthan ever before. And any photo / video / film gives them ammo ( as one person said above ) to win the hearts and minds of the electorate - at both corporate and political level to take action against hunting esp trophy hunting. Not sure how many of the AR members spend time in the battle fields with government officials negotiating / lobbying for hunting rights/ acts/laws etc , but to give an example - at the AWCF recently , one of the USFWS directors were there with some of the CITIES field directors , both were clearly fence sitters and could be influenced by politics and public perception - both could make recommendations that would influence your right to hunt in africa in the future . When we sit with these people , we need to be able to defend and promote hunting, my experience they often start with sentences such as " did you see the facebook page/photo reaction to ...." , " so many people are saying ..." etc etc Here are the major issues that come up time and again that influence people who could make a difference to hunting : 1. Canned Lion 2. Photos of bloody dead animals 3. Hunters with their dead "trophies" 4. Hunting is killing 5. Who gets pleasure in killing animals. 6. Put and take hunting 7. Shooting animals that come from parks or on park boundaries 8. Shooting collared animals ( research animals) to name a few - these are some of the issues called on to be defended. and photos of dead animals and hunters with blood or alcohol etc do little to help us defend hunting as a tool of conservation. SCI and DSC have a code with which an exhibitor is guided to allow displays and they sometimes do actualy enforce it - think Mr Sullivan. But what policing is done on the web ? can an industry be relied on to police itself to ensure tasteful display of animals being killed for pleasure , a hard sell to anybody who is not a hunter. Hence Ivan Carter and John Sharp - respected and experienced professional hunters, politely asking hunters to re-consider before loading the anti hunters gun with ammo to fire at us. | |||
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. . . what he said. Mike | |||
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After a quick check, like myself, Mr. Carter has quite a few images of both himself and clients with dead animals on his Facebook. Perhaps the site should reflect his change in attitude. I do not view it as ammo, just the truth in what we do. Hiding from it will not do us any favors. Dave Fulson | |||
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I have not formed a final opinion but for sure a lot on Youtube is disgusting. | |||
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Harumpf, Harumpf. Yeah, what both of them said ... as they both have themselves posed over a dead lion in their profile photos on this particular social media page! After all, we all acknowledge the aniti's frequent AR! Folks, you can't make this stuff up!  | |||
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So the two arguments for posting hunting pictures is: 1. Don't give the anti's one inch. and 2. The more they see pictures the more they will become desensitized to it; as long as it is tastefully done. So why doesn't that apply to pet lion shooting? 1. Don't give them one inch and 2. They will become desensitized to it. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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In a properly controlled environment with ethical standards imposed by authorities and practised by hunters, hunting does have conservation values. If not practised, regulated and policed it can have an extremely negative effect on populations and 'herd' quality. Conservationists are crusaders. They will leap on any cause you put up in front of them as 'proper' (so I can see where John Sharp is coming from). Most conservationists as we know are ignorant about hunting and they just hate the killing. Bloody hell, I like shooting and killing things which is why I concentrate on feral introduced pests. No one loses and there are many benefits. I have a huge grin afterwards and if I choose to post picture I will do so. | |||
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