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Originally posted by Blue Dog:
I'll just finish what I started gentlemen if you please and if you don't tuff nuts to all those who would trash the Peter H. Capstick name. Pissing on a man's grave (with your negative words) is the lowest form of being an
Ass Mole.

I find it ludicrous for anyone to call Peter H. Capstick a Fraud. This man was not only a great writer of the English language, he was a damn good hunter period. He was also an inspiration to thousands of people, weather they were hunters or not. I know his writings gave me the itch to hunt the dark continent. I suppose it is real easy for some to hide behind an internet address and say what they would not dare never say to someone of a different opinion up close eye ball to eye ball.

I know huh? what kind of an asshat would do that?

Wow, BlueDog, have you got your knickers in a twist.

For someone who did not join AR until almost 3 months after this discussion was dead and buried the first time, you sure have come out swinging.

I think if you ain't already done it, you might want to go back to page one of this discussion and read all of the responses before bouncing folks out too much.

Lots of folks on here are to some extent Capstick supporters so to speak. Even though I will never get to hunt in Africa, Capstick's writings put the desire to go in me.

One thing that is being joked about is how long the original discussion lasted.

It has been like the Every Ready Bunny, it just keeps on going.

JMO, but you will find detractors for every writer or hunting show personality there is or has been.

Most of it arises from pure unadulterated jealousy.

Capstick, Ruark, Kieth, O'Connor, it don't matter, they were able to or chose to do something they liked and got famous or infamous doing it, and people that could not or would not take the risk to do the same thing, are or were jealous.

Jealous people will grasp at anything they can to prove that, in this case Capstick was not such a great person.

He lived life on his terms, enjoyed what he was doing, and got lots of folks interested in hunting in Africa.

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Originally posted by Nganga:

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Originally posted by Blue Dog:
I'll just finish what I started gentlemen if you please and if you don't tuff nuts to all those who would trash the Peter H. Capstick name. Pissing on a man's grave (with your negative words) is the lowest form of being an
Ass Mole.

I find it ludicrous for anyone to call Peter H. Capstick a Fraud. This man was not only a great writer of the English language, he was a damn good hunter period. He was also an inspiration to thousands of people, weather they were hunters or not. I know his writings gave me the itch to hunt the dark continent. I suppose it is real easy for some to hide behind an internet address and say what they would not dare never say to someone of a different opinion up close eye ball to eye ball.

I know huh? what kind of an asshat would do that?

This thing has more lives than a damn cat.

I told you if you dredged this up from the deep you'd snare a few newbies like ole Blue Dog and looks like I was right!

What is an "Ass Mole", BTW? That sounds painful.

Why Steve? WHY????

Brett

Hey Steve,

Really? Even on a slow Saturday night? And on my birthday? You couldn't watch the hockey playoffs? Nothing? Anything?

Hi Brett Happy 45th Mike

Happy Easter everyone

This place needs a little levity once in a while

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
Why Steve? WHY????

Brett

It's been slow around here, that's why, and these threads were fun. Capstick would have been the first to laugh at himself, he didn't take himself very seriously. I used to correspond with him back in the mid-1980s and spoke with him a few times and he didn't consider himself to be the great white hunter at all. He was a good guy and a talented writer that's all. He treated his fans very well, he even sent me a couple of signed books back in 1987 when I was a college student at Purdue, one of which I gave to Steve as a gift and the other which I kept. From what I knew of Peter he would have been the first to chuckle at a thread like this, he used to refer to himself as the correspondence school bwana.

Too many in this forum take themselves way too seriously. PHC was a good guy, had a good run, made some $$$, and died way too young. He would have been a great member on AR had he lived.

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Originally posted by Cane Rat:

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
Why Steve? WHY????

Brett

It's been slow around here, that's why, and these threads were fun. Capstick would have been the first to laugh at himself, he didn't take himself very seriously. I used to correspond with him back in the mid-1980s and spoke with him a few times and he didn't consider himself to be the great white hunter at all. He was a good guy and a talented writer that's all. He treated his fans very well, he even sent me a couple of signed books back in 1987 when I was a college student at Purdue, one of which I gave to Steve as a gift and the other which I kept. From what I knew of Peter he would have been the first to chuckle at a thread like this, he used to refer to himself as the correspondence school bwana.

Too many in this forum take themselves way too seriously.

Truth be know, I have all his stuff. Loved most of it. Like Andy said, I even have a signed copy.

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You may have a point, but he really loved Mary. His anger at Hadley for losing a suitcase full of manuscripts was never fully resolved. That contributed to the divorce.

I'll respectfully disagree with most of this. Mary was a Class A bitch and hounded Hemingway to no end. She was more interested in being Mrs. Hemingway than a supportive wife. If you've ever read the letter that Hem wrote to MAry after she bawled him out one night you can see how much Mary could really hurt Hemingway when she wanted to. I don;t think Hadley, Pauline or Martha would have ever thought of being so downright mean to him that he would have written in that manner. In fact Hadley had been rather gracious during the 100 day edict. I think that Mary came along at the right time for the phase of life Hem was in. Toward the end though, and I think it was when they found the stuff at the RItz which became a MOveable Feast, he really realize how good a person Hadley was. I don't see the losing the manuscripts as much of a contrbuting factor to his divorce. Remember, HAdley was a simple girl and at the time they were married Hem was just an idealist, when Hem's writing began to take off and his work was critically approved, he changed into a person he thought he needed to be while Hadley was the same old HAdley. At that time, Pauline (being a writer for a major magazine) 'fit' the phase Hem was in. I think due to many pressures he felt he had to leave Hadley because it was what he was 'supposed' to do...leave the simple life living above the saw mill and get into high-society.

But this has nothing to do with Capstick...

The most interesting thing to me on this thread, especially this time around, is which is more fun.

Watching the bait being taken or setting the hook after they have made their initial run??????

It is Easter, nothing to do, why not beat up a dead guy?

No one is beating up on a dead guy, just the gullable folks that actally take what is going on seriously.

Heminway, Ruark, and Capstick were authors of fiction and commentators.

They told good stories and gave their veiwpoints.

They were not and did not pretend to be HISTORIANS OR NEWS REPORTERS.

You nit pickers ever hear of artistic liscense? And just what in the hell does an authors drinking habits or personal health have to do with whether he tells a good story???

St. Pauls favorite game was Christians for petes sake. He used CRF rocks, remember. So for my money if a dead man wanted to drink and smoke, I sure cant stop him now.



SSR

Since it was noted above that this thread has more lives than the cross-eyed leopard (on the first page), I'll contribute while it is still active.

Capstick may or may not have been worth his salt as a PH. I won't debate that, as he is no longer with us to do so. His legacy, though, is not in his PH'ing skills (or lack thereof), but in the attention he drew to African hunting, and the dreams of the African chase that he instilled in a great many hunters.

We've all listened to the great storyteller around the campfire, telling of great fishing/hunting exploits...only to find out on the rest of the trip they were just as bumbling as we are! However, that doesn't take away from the fact the story DOES fire our imaginations, and we go afield with the thought that we might one day be that one in the story that bags the big one that doesn't get away...

So Capstick can rest in peace, not in that he showed us great skills as a PH (which this thread has noted as debatable), but in that he fired up our imaginations to go - and indeed have better results the he did (which, according to the fruit bearing from his stories, is not debatable). Or at worst convince one's own self they're better at it than he was...

That's wrong, man....that's just wrong.

My brother was a media specialist and theologian who, while not opposing hunting, is not a hunter. He loves Capstick! He has read his books multiple times. That I think says something about his writing. His writing is after all what will be enduring.

The first PH I had 14 years ago, said, when asked about PHC's veracity, was positive. "He used to go to the ZPHA's (or whatever they call it) annual awards banquet with a tape recorder and collect other folks' stories. He may not have done all the things he said he did, but he sure sold a lot of hunts..."


R. Gunn

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Originally posted by Blue Dog:
I'll just finish what I started gentlemen if you please and if you don't tuff nuts to all those who would trash the Peter H. Capstick name. Pissing on a man's grave (with your negative words) is the lowest form of being an
Ass Mole.

I find it ludicrous for anyone to call Peter H. Capstick a Fraud. This man was not only a great writer of the English language, he was a damn good hunter period. He was also an inspiration to thousands of people, weather they were hunters or not. I know his writings gave me the itch to hunt the dark continent. I suppose it is real easy for some to hide behind an internet address and say what they would not dare never say to someone of a different opinion up close eye ball to eye ball.

I've read a lot of stuff here over the years on PHC. I dont recall one single person ever saying he was NOT a very gifted (if not great) writer.
I too think he was a very good writer. a bit plagerism here & there...but still very exceptional writer.
No one is in dispute on that. So, its agreed he was a good writer, probably a decent hunter, great story teller & lover of Africa, a good son, loving husband & devoted father.

What we are questioning is this: did the man in fact / reality actually shoot (or assist in shooting) 800 or whatever Elephants???? (not to mention lions, rhinos, etc.) Were his personal DG stories A WORK OF FACT OR FICTION? Are we disrespecting (pissing on) a dead man by raising an honest legit question??

Its kinda like Obama's birth certificate issue. Were not totally doubting...its just that we'd all love to see some proof someday! Things start to smell fishy when there's a lack of evidence.

As a PH, I try never to discuss, brag about, or make public account my tally of DG. (as one of the greatest elephant ivory hunters of all time Samaki Salmon once said when asked about the number of elephant he shot:"you may as well ask a dentist how many teeth he has pulled"). Few are the PH's will brag about bag numbers. Only one time when a client got under my skin by acting like an big expert on buffalo (he shot 3) so only when I mentioned to him that a few years back I lost count (stopping at ___) did he quit acting like an authority on buffalo hunting.

if a man writes a book and openly claims to have personally taken XXX elephants;then unless the book is clearly labeled "Fiction" there should exist some kind of proof (a few photos, names, game dept records....something) For PHC to add a bit of photographic or other proof in his books would have avoided this issue (he had to know that doubt would be raised someday?)

I'm mighty glad Capstick got you (and a lot of other folks)to Africa! I got my start from reading John A. Hunter, Pondoro, Selous. It may be in bad taste to call him a fraud, but its not ludicrous. what is ludicrous is believing every single word you read in print.

There does not seem to be any doubt that he killed a buffalo with a spear and did it again to prove that it was not a fluke! Even if they were cows (I don't know the details) it still took a lot of courage and skill.

How many Bwana wannabes would try that?

PH's are a dime a dozen and no one really gives much concern! However, great writers are praised for their works (Capstick indeed) even after death. Peter H. Capstick is in a league you will never be associated with as time moves forward.

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Originally posted by Blue Dog:
PH's are a dime a dozen and no one really gives much concern! However, great writers are praised for their works (Capstick indeed) even after death. Peter H. Capstick is in a league you will never be associated with as time moves forward.

Now that I can wholeheartedly agree with...

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Originally posted by Nganga:

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Originally posted by Blue Dog:
PH's are a dime a dozen and no one really gives much concern! However, great writers are praised for their works (Capstick indeed) even after death. Peter H. Capstick is in a league you will never be associated with as time moves forward.

Now that I can wholeheartedly agree with...

I can't.

If PHs are indeed "a dime a dozen" PHC sure worked overtime at claiming to be a member of that "dime a dozen" fraternity when there are legitimate questions as to whether he ever was. I think the case for "great writer" is better made for someone like Bob Ruark who was content to document truthfully the exploits of "dime a dozen" PHs like Harry Selby rather than claiming them as his own. Going further in regards to "dime a dozen" PHs John Hunter was not only the real deal as a PH he was also a better writer than PHC.

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PH's are a dime a dozen and no one really gives much concern! However, great writers are praised for their works (Capstick indeed) even after death. Peter H. Capstick is in a league you will never be associated with as time moves forward.

Peter Capstick was no more a fraud than Hemingway, or Ruark, or for that mater William Shakespeare. He told a great story, and rekindled a fire in a lot of us. I believe anyone involved in African Hunting today owes Capstick a debt of gratitude. In the 80s and 90s he made us aware you could still hunt The Dark Continent when most Americans believed hunting was closed in Africa when Kenya closed.

THANK YOU PETER !!!!

Crasyhorseconsulting..........Just so you know Cowboy! I have not worn nickers since the days of Viet Nam. I would also not let my joining date twist your penis into a pretzel either, good luck with the cows.

345....346......

OHHH you got me sceered!!

You jumped youself up and started going off on folks and I really doubt that you read the 8 pages of comments that had been made on this subject.

True, some folks do seem to have spome kind of Bull Shit bone to pick about Capstick, but IO think he was a good writer and inspired lots of folks to want to go to Africa hunting.

You can unbunch your knickers now tough guy.

Now Crasyhorse, is that anyway to treat a new comer to your club? Certainly not my mother would say to you and besides who ever said anything about being "TUFF"? Do you have some kind of a complex or what!

Why is it that so many TEXANS feel like they have to start a saloon brawl with the new kid on the block. I stated facts and my thoughts on the subject matter. If your not educated enough to undertand that, then I can not help you one iota.

Like I said Cowboy, I don't wear nickers and have not since my time with Uncle Sam. I am very sorry, that you somehow feel threatened by my post but I am really a nice guy, who loves to read, hunt, shoot and ride motorcycles. I left out jumping out of airplanes in my profile.

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Originally posted by Blue Dog:
Now Crasyhorse, is that anyway to treat a new comer to your club? Certainly not my mother would say to you and besides who ever said anything about being "TUFF"? Do you have some kind of a complex or what!

Why is it that so many TEXANS feel like they have to start a saloon brawl with the new kid on the block. I stated facts and my thoughts on the subject matter. If your not educated enough to undertand that, then I can not help you one iota.

Like I said Cowboy, I don't wear nickers and have not since my time with Uncle Sam. I am very sorry, that you somehow feel threatened by my post but I am really a nice guy, who loves to read, hunt, shoot and ride motorcycles. I left out jumping out of airplanes in my profile.

Is your name Rich by chance??

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Originally posted by venda axe:
Peter Capstick was no more a fraud than Hemingway, or Ruark, or for that mater William Shakespeare. He told a great story, and rekindled a fire in a lot of us. I believe anyone involved in African Hunting today owes Capstick a debt of gratitude. In the 80s and 90s he made us aware you could still hunt The Dark Continent when most Americans believed hunting was closed in Africa when Kenya closed.

THANK YOU PETER !!!!

AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN...NO ONE is questioning his writing skills or what he has done for promoting tourism to Africa!

I think we have established those two things & everyone's in agreement & on board.

Please excuse me, but some AR members would just like to know: was he really a PH & elephant cropper (yes/no)...AND Did he really shoot the hundreds of elephants HE CLAIMS TO HAVE SHOT IN HIS OWN BOOKS????

Maybe I missed it, but dont recall William Shakespeare claiming to be a PH & Cropping Officer shooting 800 elephants. Ditto for Ruark & Papa Hemingway. The later two went on a couple long safaris each and FULLY DOCUMENTED their safaris with photos, names etc.

Why do some guys on here worship Capstick so very deeply that they feel anyone asking a question about anything he said is "pissing on the dead man's grave"??

OK: Thank You PETER H. CAPSTICK FOR THE GREAT WRITING & GREAT PROMOTION OF AFRICA SAFARI HUNTING!!! There, you see I dont hate him.

Nganga.........No sir! My name is Christopher M. Flannigan

Mr. Tanz Ph, let me say this to you bluntly sir! I do not worship anything but my GOD Almighty. I also will stick to my guns, that calling someone a FRAUD along with bad mouthing his life, especially after they have been buried, is indeed what I call "Pissing On His Grave".

I have never spoken to William Shakespeare about hunting elephants but I have spoken to Peter H. Capstick about hunting somewhat in the early 1970's. He never mentioned to me any 800 elephants but did claim to have killed a few lions, buffalo and elephants. It was good of you, to thank Peter for his life's works.

Peter Capstick was somewhat a fraud and a goofy bastard indeed, and I have the video evidence to prove it.
The first person to post his name and address shall recieve this collection and I do mean the Capstick Collection, providing you have never seen it and you promise to send it on to another AR member when you are done. Then you can form your own opinion.

Scott

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Originally posted by BaxterB:

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You may have a point, but he really loved Mary. His anger at Hadley for losing a suitcase full of manuscripts was never fully resolved. That contributed to the divorce.

I'll respectfully disagree with most of this. Mary was a Class A bitch and hounded Hemingway to no end. She was more interested in being Mrs. Hemingway than a supportive wife. If you've ever read the letter that Hem wrote to MAry after she bawled him out one night you can see how much Mary could really hurt Hemingway when she wanted to. I don;t think Hadley, Pauline or Martha would have ever thought of being so downright mean to him that he would have written in that manner. In fact Hadley had been rather gracious during the 100 day edict. I think that Mary came along at the right time for the phase of life Hem was in. Toward the end though, and I think it was when they found the stuff at the RItz which became a MOveable Feast, he really realize how good a person Hadley was. I don't see the losing the manuscripts as much of a contrbuting factor to his divorce. Remember, HAdley was a simple girl and at the time they were married Hem was just an idealist, when Hem's writing began to take off and his work was critically approved, he changed into a person he thought he needed to be while Hadley was the same old HAdley. At that time, Pauline (being a writer for a major magazine) 'fit' the phase Hem was in. I think due to many pressures he felt he had to leave Hadley because it was what he was 'supposed' to do...leave the simple life living above the saw mill and get into high-society.

But this has nothing to do with Capstick...

Didn't read that letter. Hemingway was a handful, often described as mercurial. And if she could hurt him, he obviously loved her. She stayed with him to the bitter end, though. She certainly deserves credit for that.

Fame and fortune affects people in different ways. More change than don't. Hemingway was no exception.

And we can agree to disagree about the manuscripts.

And, no, it has nothing to do with Capstick per se, but we're bouncing around writers who have featured Africa in one way or another, so it's not out of place.

I always liked Capstick's stuff. Have several of his books. Would like to have known him. The beret and the monocle were a hoot.

Hay Man PM sent

SSR

Say what you will about Capstick but lemme ask this to all:

can anyone name a current writer who is as entertaining? Clearly, the answer is no. They all seem to follow some bland formula and it is boring.

Now Crasyhorse, is that anyway to treat a new comer to your club? Certainly not my mother would say to you and besides who ever said anything about being "TUFF"? Do you have some kind of a complex or what!

Why is it that so many TEXANS feel like they have to start a saloon brawl with the new kid on the block. I stated facts and my thoughts on the subject matter. If your not educated enough to undertand that, then I can not help you one iota.

Like I said Cowboy, I don't wear nickers and have not since my time with Uncle Sam. I am very sorry, that you somehow feel threatened by my post but I am really a nice guy, who loves to read, hunt, shoot and ride motorcycles. I left out jumping out of airplanes in my profile.



Welcome to the AR. It is the best site of its kind on the internet. Sorry for the rash treatment, I felt that you were taking what was supposed to be an irreverant discussion just to see who all would get upset.

You seemed to be a tad too serious and it was funny to me. If you have not noticed that some folks in this discussion, for whatever reason want to fault Capstick for simply being human.

As many have stated, and probably many more that do not particpate on this site would attest to, Capstick started the fire in them that resulted their going to Africa on safari. Hell, if I could afford it and it wasn't just a trophy only hunt, I would go, even did a little planning for a hunt in Nambia.

Ended up going to Newfoundland instead and that idea was put into my head way back in time from a show I watched about Lee Wulff up there fishing and moose hunting.

Some folks on the other hand simply want to tear down the image of a person for reasons known only to them.

It is funny in a twisted sort of way I guess to bait those people just to see the type statements and validation they try to give for why they have such feelings toward Capstick.

As I have stated elsewhere, Capstick/Ruark/Hemingway/Taylor/Keith/O'Connor et al lived theiir lives on their terms and some humans just do not believe that people should do that, and they are jealous because they can not twist off and stop living their lives to other peoples expectations.

Sorry for coming down on you the way I did and Wecome to the site.

Crasyhorse........You sir can sit at my campfire any day! I appreciate your last post, sort of makes things more understandable. I haven't met a person yet that was perfect and Lord knows I myself am not half way there yet. I don't smoke or drink and gave up chewing 12 years ago but sure do enjoy goats milk.

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Originally posted by HAY-MAN:
Peter Capstick was somewhat a fraud and a goofy bastard indeed, and I have the video evidence to prove it.
The first person to post his name and address shall recieve this collection and I do mean the Capstick Collection, providing you have never seen it and you promise to send it on to another AR member when you are done. Then you can form your own opinion.

Scott

Scott,

Well Done!! it was I who sent you those the first go around on this "The thread that won't die" I see you formed the same opinion I did after watching.

Steve

Hay Man, I sir formed an opinion of Peter H. Capstick many years ago. He was a great story teller and handled the booz at the bar better than I. His works were outstanding to say the least. IMPECCABLE would be a better word!

His hunting ability may or may not be that of yours or mine but he obviously got the job done. I would have loved to been by his side and I think the greater majority of hunters would not have minded sharing a hunt with him either.

Peter H. Capstick was Peter simply put, he never tried being something he was not understand. I often wonder where Africa would be today if it were not for Mr. Peter Capstick informing us of what Africa really is about.

Sir, I have my own works of Mr. Capstick and those didn't cost me a frigging dime. If you will supply me with your address and phone number, I'll pick Peter's works from you, since you don't seem to cherish them at all. I can pick them up next month when I fly out to Frisco.