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Yes, I have been to Africa about a dozen times, last trip was three months in total. Hunted with Russ Broom's outfit in 03. Met both Geoff and Russ quite a few times. Geoff is one of the nicest guys you could hope to meet. Talked to several PHs about PHC, they thought he was full of it. Never had the chance to talk to the Brooms about PHC. PHC did embellish. But to say he made it all up is silly. I think he did most of what he claimed, just not to the extent claimed. Sorry, but I take exception to internet sniping against a well known, upstanding PH when it is baseless. Geoff could in no was profit from associating himself with PHC. If that was his goal don't you think he would have done that long ago? You make that argument to further your hatchet job on PHC with disregard for the reputation of a PH who is of the highest standing. That shows a lack of class. Jason Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Glad to see that Cipo has become our latest Diogonese, trudging through the dark night of African Hunting Literature, his Lantern held high, searching for the "Truthful Author"! Onward, ever onward! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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People might need to go back and look at history, especially african history and look at the time period Capstick was living and hunting in Africa. As I mentioned,,, the Rhodesian Bush War, from 1964-1979. It interrupted hunting and travel significantly in numerous countries that were prime hunting destinations. It has been documented that Capstick actually assisted in the conflict helping to protect land owners, I have no proof of that, but it did cause a break in the hunting action which I think greatly gave him the time necessary to begin writing his books on Africa, the first published in 1977. I have never met a PH that actually knew him,they only had their own stories but no personal knowledge.No different than with Ruark with the MauMau uprising. Most who would of hunted with him should be in their 70"s now. How many active Ph's are still hunting with clients in their 70's , there are a few, but most have sons and gandsons doing the leg work now. Either read his work and enjoy it or leave his books to gather dust but trying to judge a man in 2008 on what he did 30 years ago,,,,completely unfair and unjustified,,my hair style and clothes look pretty goofy to even me now and old family films and pictures, look pretty silly back in that time period. I think you have gotten the entertainment you wanted out of these posts. I am done. you can make more money, you can not make more time | |||
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Gumboot458, perhaps you could follow your own advice, and avoid these posts if you don't know what you are talking about! The book ""A Man Called Lion" was simply the words collected in interviews, by PHC, and compiled into the book, from people who, not only knew Taylor, but hunted with him. The accusations of homosexuality were made by Taylors contemopraries,and people who knew him personally, not PHC! Brian Marsh was contributor of most of the info, in that book on Taylor. So if you mention the book that made PHC a liar, then you need to know where the info, in it, came from. I'm sure Brian would enjoy your take on his integerity! I'll forward a link to this post for his edification! Maybe he can clear things up for you!
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Thank you Drwes! Gentlemen, what bothers me about any thread like this one is, there seems to be a total lack of credability, in the posts of those who wait till a man has past, before trashing his name! That, to me, seems cowardly, in the worse sense of the word. It seems all other writers are taken at their word for the dareing-do things they calimed, with far less to back what they wrote than PHC. Taylor, and Bell, on the number of elephant they took, the numbers are not even coolly smiled at, and are accepted without question. These men had nobody's word to back their claims,but a few black trackers and porters. Bell with his perfect reputation useing a little 7X57 uneringly on elephant, with his self exclaimed one shot brained bag, Taylor with his total bag, being believed by everyone, and nither of these men, nor Wally Johnson ever mentioning a wounded had lost elephant, or the fact that those ele so wounded were not even attempted to be followed up, and salvaged. Both men were little more than poachers, and law breakers of the first order, yet are considered GODs amoung African hunters, with their writings seen as gospel, to the last word! Come on guys, those guys were hunting on foot, and were not going to track "ONE" wounded elephant for miles, to sort him out, while the half dozen they had shot dead lay in wait, with officials maybe closeing on their illegal activity. Yet the 7X57 Bell use is habitually used to justify, the use of undersize arms to hunt large animals, and the emagined integrity of the men not questioned. Much is made of Peter's drinking, yet it is never mentioned when speaking of Hemmingway, or Ruark, or the fact that Ruark was kicked out of Tanzania, because of his loud mouth, and politics, yet he is to be believed beyond all this. All these men mentioned in my post here are men who have written books, that are fine reading, and by men who have been in the fire, so to speak. I enjoy thier writings, but I take the words as the wards they wanted me to read, not the whole truth! It seems fasionable today to trash PHC, without even a shred of evidence to back the accuastions. His drinking is brought out constantly, often by people who I'm sure have some sort of habit as well, you know, POT, and KETTLE ! The detractors of PHC always say he is a fraud but give no evidence to support the accusation, other that the word of someomne else who didn't know him either. Most have never even met him, nor have the people who told them the crap they repeat, yet we are to believe what they say is gospel. Nobody ever said Peter was a perfect person, but I'd bet my hat, he's as good as any of the gossips who want to shine the light on themselves in this thread, by tearing someone else down to make themselves look better! I have not only talked to Peter himself, but to several of those who knew him well, and hunted with him! People like Gordon Cundill, and Volker Grellmann, and others! Many of the things people have put down as falsehoods, were comfirmed to me by those people. Brian Marsh was one who knew Peter as well as anyone alive today, so if what some here say is true he is featheringh his nest by positive take on PHC. Brian certainly doesn't need anyone to vouch for his integrity, nor do Volker, or Gordon, need anyone to back them in a discussion! ...................It seems grapes that are above one's reach, are always sour anyway! Like Drwes, now I'm done here! ............................................ BYE! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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I take umbrage at those like adrook who accuse Geoff Broom of lying in print. I have hunted with Russ Broom Safaris. My PH knew Capstick quite well. His opinion: 1. Capstick fibbed about many of the things he said he did. 2. Many of his stories were "borrowed" from things which Russ Broom actually did. 3. He admires Capstick for being such a good story teller and for reviving today's safari industry by writing his books. Indy Life is short. Hunt hard. | |||
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Umm, guys, everyone's going around in a circle saying, "This man said this about PHC" but then "That man said this about PHC." Why doesn't someone try to get a hold of one of the Broom's since they're still with us and ask them about PHC? Since they hired him and PHC worked for them they should be able to settle something. I don't know how to get a hold of them or I would do it myself. Maybe some of the guys that have hunted with them before could get them to elaborate a little about PHC's career with them. It's a long shot, but it would be much more stable than what anyone here is saying (both the people that disagree and agree with what I think about the man). They should know best... I heal fast and don't scar. | |||
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Only Capstick could cause 4 pages of posting in 2 days! Let's stop beating the horse! He's dead! Those that like him will continue to no matter what is said. Those that don't will continue to not like him. Let's leave this alone and enjoy more friendly untaboo topics that we can all agree on like "Pondoro" Taylor being gay. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I never met Peter, mores the pity, as he took sick and returned to Africa before our scheduled conference. I spoke with his wife a year later and had the opportunity to tell her how much his writing had meant to me, how I believed he was responsible more than any other for the resurgence in Americans doing safari and how sad I was that we had not met to "talk story" about our favorite place. Fionna was very gracious and before we parted company she told me how well she thought the two of us would have got on together as kindred spirits who truely loved Africa. Kind words I've not forgotten. During my more than a dozen safaris I've heard the stories of PHC being a fake, usually from PHs much younger than I who could never have met him. I just consider the source. I've also heard PHs denigrate other well known African hands. Perhaps it is part of their competitive spirit, but I rather believe it is simple jealousy and envy on their part. I know PCH was sick and suffering from serious health problems, some the result of drink perhaps, during his later years. You can see the deterioration if you watch the videos in order of production. You can even see the outline of the back brace through his safari shirt. Certainly medication could account for some of the physical changes, not just alcohol. The fact remains that most posters here would never have hunted Africa had it not been that PHC had preceded them. I choose to believe he did some of what he claimed and give him the same literary license I grant other authors. RIP Peter, and thanks. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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I met Capstick once at a cocktail party probably 20 years ago. An acquaintance of mine had a publishing company, Buckingham Mint and they were distributing or republishing some of his books. This was before I had any idea that I would one day get to hunt in Africa. Although I do not remember all the details, something he said just did not sound right. I remember him being full of BS. H Kittle | |||
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Shame on some of you I've spoken with Fiona on several occassions and she gave the appearance of being an honest, first-class woman that wouldn't have been with a PHC that some of you have so maligned and vilified. She recounted several stories about him that seemed to reflect both a respect and admiration for what he was. He was a great writer. Let's all agree on that. All else, well, he was good at a few of them for a few years time. He deserves more credit than is given here by some of you. Best regards and RIP PHC. | |||
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You don't remember the details but you remember him being full of BS. That sounds credible. | |||
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MY two cents.....to an impressionable "twenty-something" along time ago, his books were incredible. PHC was the spark that lit the African fire resulting in 2 safaris to Tanz ( with, good Lord willing, more to come ) countless dollars spent on big bores that have no use on Long Island and a general enjoyment of bits of Africana, including this forum. I also had the opportunity to correspond with him through the mail and he was always prompt, courteous and generously answered my naive questions thoughtfully. THAT was my minimal contact with him, but I will say this, PHC was a man I could have enjoyed a campfire with and that I wish he were still around so I could read more of his. | |||
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Yo, Jeffive, here's something you can learn: Do NOT, and I mean do NOT, read PHC's version of the amazing Richard Meinertzhagen story, "Warrior". You will be very sorry. Armed men are citizens. Unarmed men are subjects. Disarmed men are serfs. | |||
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Sure as hell Wikipedia isn't very kind...
I guess if Capstick had bad stuff to say he was part of a large conspiracy. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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In Where the Lion Roars by Boddington, Craig talks about Geoff wanting Craig to go on Safari with Russ and his new company in hopes of drumming up new business in a hopefully positive article written about the adventure. I'd say the Brooms are pretty savy and market themselves to increase bookings. Even if some one is fully booked they can always make more money by being able to charge more as a famous PH. | |||
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This seems to be a common response on the Capstick threads but I personally dont notice lots of threads about other PHs being bashed, hell I cant even name another PH I have seen bashed here posthumous. | |||
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The sun has set here in Wyoming, join me in raising my glass to Peter Hathaway Capstick. Your writing has kindled a flame in my soul to travel to the dark continent and hunt her magnificent animals. As such, I have crossed the sands of Namibia's desert, wandered the banks of the Luangwa and traveled the Masai Steppes. I have hunted the grey ghost, the stately gemsbok, slain the mighty cape buffalo and the lordly lion. Thank you Peter, without your prompting, I would not have experienced a life as grand as I have. May you rest in peace. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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IF you had never been to Africa, how could you possibly know that ANYTHING he said was BS? before a person has actually been there and done that, their pre-conceived notions are often wrong. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Plus one! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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death in the long grass is one of my favorite books. ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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Look, I wholeheartedly agree with every post here that said PHC was a great writer, did more for the safari industry than anyone else, and kindled a fire in their hearts. He did the same for me and was probably the #1 reason I've been to Africa. That being said, although some real bashing has been going on here, I don't think it's fair to label anyone who questions the truthfulness of a writers experience, PHC or anyone else, as a "basher". After all, PHC's books weren't fiction, or at least they are not supposed to be, and are more a series of real life experiences that describe the men and conditions of a place we all love. Sure we read these for entertainment, but also as a reference of sorts. Nobody goes around questioning the experience of Henry Rider Haggard who wrote “King Solomon’s Minesâ€, because we know its fiction. But many of us in the past, and I’m sure new hunters coming into this sport, are looking at PHC’s books as a series of “this happened then and could happen to me now†events. Probably why anyone who has extensively read his stuff has the “mamba behind every bush†mindset the first time over there. That being the case, it fair to ask if the “this happened then†part is true or not. So let’s remember that the truth is always the truth, no matter where it may lead or what reputation it may hurt. I think we can all do it in a respectful way though. "I envy not him that eats better meat than I do; nor him that is richer, or that wears better clothes than I do; I envy him, and him only, that kills bigger deer than I do." Izaak Walton (modified) | |||
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G.L.Krause, Did you read the title to this thread? Questioning if all events happened? I think not, this thread is/was a dedicated "Bashing" _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Capstick's books along with African Hunter by JA Hunter ignited my passion for Africa. For that alone, I am loyal to Capstick and could care less if he embelished some of his story's....don't we all?? With all due respect, Boddington cannot come close to Capsticks style, as I find his writing style "boring" and full of advertisments. Wonderful, lovely, aw shucks... My 2cents | |||
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To A-R MEMBERS I recieved the Capstick DVD collection from Chipolopolo today as he promised. Steve is a stand up guy and a man of his word. I look forward to watching the collection and forming my own opinion. Scott | |||
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I agree 100%, the mock humility gets old. On another note, to my knowledge, PHC is the last of a very few African/Sporting writers to be handles by a major NeW York publishing outfit, St Martins. that is nothing to sneeze at, coming from one who has run the route with them. Hats off, glasses full and elbows high for PHC, whether he was full of shit or not, the guy lived his life as he wanted and that, my friends, is probably the most imnportant and impressive thing he could have done. CHeers! | |||
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GeoffM24, et al; you have to consider the body of work that PHC produced to put this basking into context. To fall prey to a bunch of scavengers like the ones trashing him here you need two criteria: 1. He has to be dead long enough to keep good friends from hammering your sorry ass and exposing you for the know everything/actually done nothing myself cretin that you are. 2. He has to have done enough to create a body of work for you to pick thru looking for discrepancies to base an attack on. While he was alive and working no one had a negative comment to make, and surely someone would have condemned him if he were lacking in Huevos or PH skills. It is a sad state of affairs when some have nothing of their own to boast of, but have the "Real Story" of so many notable deceased characters to pass along. I heard from my brother's wife's hairdressers, dog walking kid's Dad that he once worked the evening shift with a guy who had heard it "straight from the horse's mouth" that PHC actually was born in Kokomo, Ind, and never went more than 20 miles out of town. His father had a complete collection of True and Argosy magazines from the '50's and '60's and he pieced all those stories together. He also never drank anything more potent than sasparilla, except for an occasional diet rootbeer on holiday occasion. This must be the real truth! I have it on expert advice. Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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From what I understand PHC did too as an officer. I'll check on it & get back to this thread. ****************************** There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor polite, nor popular -- but one must ask, "Is it right?" Martin Luther King, Jr. | |||
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Thaere is also a pic of Wally Johnson's some wearing a beret. | |||
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There was a comment about the Brooms and Boddington. I just returned from Zim and I hunted with my friend Mark DeWet who has been hunting with the Brooms for lo these many years. I was talking about Craig's show and Andrew Dawson. Mark informed that yes Craig wanted to do the venture with the Brooms but just as things were getting togeather Geoff I believe broke his leg or ankle and could not enter into the venture and Craig then turned to Andrew who had really just started hunting after his farm was taken by Unkle Bob. Apparently the joint venture has gone well for both as I was told Andrew add a Chopper to his fleet this year. Back to Peter I doubt there is a poster on this board that hasn't layed a bit of embelishment on their hunting ventures. | |||
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Anone have any proof of the fraud charges or is accusation and rumor all that you've got? _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Personally I would like to have been a fraud like he was and have the opportunities he had to hunt Africa. Wouldn't care what you called me. | |||
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I'd like to know more about PHC but I learned all I need to know about Chipo in the title of his post. | |||
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Gumboot I never met Taylor, he was dead long before I was even aware he existed. But I did know Alex Maitland quite well. Alex began corresponding with Taylor in the early 60's when he was around 14. He visited with him and was Taylor's Executor for his will. Given what he has told me, and Alex himself, I would have to be in the Marsh/Capstick camp on his sexual preferences. Taylor's last book, Shadows of Shame, pretty much lays it out for you. A young Englishman falls in love with a Black Adonis is caught and thrown out of Rhodesia. It is a complete justification for this type of affair and leaves no doubt where the Author was going. It is also a really terrible book and was only printed, with one edition, in Paperback. But so what? Does it make Taylor any less of a figure? His data any less interesting? His stories any less enthralling? I would have loved to have met him. Listening to Alex he must have been quite a story teller and weaver of dreams. As for Capstick, I also had the pleasure of knowing him. I met him the first time in the mid 80's in Pretoria when my friend Bob Langeveld took me by his house for lunch and a couple of drinks. I met him at the SCI Conventions he attended and enjoyed playing Blackjack with him after everyone else had gone to bed. I liked him but even he would tell you he was a writer. One conversation sticks out for me from an afternoon in Pretoria. Peter had just finished the Wally Johnson book but it hadn't come out yet. He was talking about it and said to Bob, "you should let me write your life story." Bob says, "but Peter, you already have." I really miss Peter and Bob. Gator A Proud Member of the Obamanation "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2 "There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them." George Orwell | |||
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Does anyone know who receives the royalties for Taylors books? I know of at least one person that printed a bunch of his books, and pocketed all the money. As he had a will, I am sure the royalties were taken care of. | |||
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I think the copyright on books has a time limit and then they are free game. As Taylor left no known offspring and never married I don't know that there would be anyone who would have a claim..... Maybe Aly? The real crime, if there ever was one, was Taylor using Fletcher Jameson's photos in his books, then refusing to pay Jamison's widow. Taylor did not return the photos either, so it would be fair to say he stole them. Jamison died very young. I believe just before his first child was born. His widow was left with very little. The Taylor fan club would surely defend Taylor as he was not so well off himself. Regardless, Jamison's widow should not have had to suffer due to the fact that Taylor didn't have his act together. Taylor was an interesting character. His homosexuality was far from his greatest transgression. Some Taylor fans still question the facts regarding Taylor's sexual orientation. I would say the same thing to them that I say to those who believe that PHC made up everything, or to those who believe he did everything he calimed: "Are you blind to the facts?" Jason Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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The copywrites do not expire like a patent. Whom ever owns the writes to Samworths publications, probibly owns the rights to Taylors books. Taylor was an interesting character, very knowledgable of the Rifles, Cartridges, and Game of Africa. His personal life took a downturn when he was robbed during WW2, by a person he trusted. As far as his robbing Jamisons widow, I agree that was a huge black mark on his person. I am sure where ever he is now, he regrets that move. Just as bad are the people that are making money on the photos now, and still not paying any money to the family of Jamison. I guess once a vulture starts to feed, they all flock around. Never leave until something bigger stops them, or there is just bones left. | |||
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I assume you are referring to Trophy Room Books. The owner of that outfit is a witch. I wouldn't buy anything from her. | |||
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Does anyone know of a book written by anyone about hunting or working with Capstick? You'd think with all the interest about the man a book written about going on Safari with him as the PH would sell well. A book with the same general idea as Horn of the Hunter. Seems odd that there doen't seem to be anything like that. | |||
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