BD,
I think your missing the point of the "video sharing". I originally sent those to Hay-Man about 2 years ago. It was intended that one member finish's them and another gets to view them....and so on.... and so on...

Its not that he does not want them

Capstick is one of Africa's literary icons. Never have I enjoyed such writing, and he was passionate about the game and Africa. Fiction or fraud? Maybe, but it does not matter does it?

Many of us hunt and some hunt very well. Some of us are talented as hunters. The best of us try to teach our skills to beginners, especially to kids.

Very few of us have the innate artistry to put the hunting experience, with all its grittiness, fear, exhilaration, and charm, into words such that the experience is shared with others.

Few can make the reader feel as though he was there, by the writer's side, and saw and heard just what the writer saw and heard. Only a few can make your heart beat faster. Capstick was a grand master of this; for that and for his books helping introduce my son and me to hunting Africa, I am grateful. RIP, Peter Capstick.

If you guys do not leave this guy alone I am going to post another lion picture to stir some new s**T up.

Thoroughly enjoy his work - captures and carries me "there". Couldn't care less how much is real vs. embroidered.

My only wish about his works is that they were available as audiobooks as I spend so much time driving.

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If you guys do not leave this guy alone I am going to post another lion picture to stir some new s**T up.

You would just run a poll about whether to keep it on the site or not and then pull it anyway.

That is what you did wasn't it?????

Steve,
Yes the video version of Capstick is hard to take. Lets just say there's no way I'd of traded my hunting with Magara in Zim for Capstick.

Thanks Again,

Scott

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Originally posted by Nganga:

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Originally posted by HAY-MAN:
Peter Capstick was somewhat a fraud and a goofy bastard indeed, and I have the video evidence to prove it.
The first person to post his name and address shall recieve this collection and I do mean the Capstick Collection, providing you have never seen it and you promise to send it on to another AR member when you are done. Then you can form your own opinion.

Scott

Scott,

Well Done!! it was I who sent you those the first go around on this "The thread that won't die" I see you formed the same opinion I did after watching.

Steve

The Capstick Collection is on route to its new home.

Scott

who's the "lucky" individual?

Steve, they went to RayRay.

Scott

Dear Crazyhorse
I never pulled it, it just faded away into AR legend...

You pulled it, you know it, that was your perogative.

I just don't understand why a person posts something and then crawfishes.

If a person is going to THINK about doing something in fun, either do it and stick with it, or don't do it in the first place.

Definitely don't, ask peoples opinion and then even though the majority, and there was a majority in favor of the post being left the way it was, pulling it because a few wanted to take the High Road.

This is not an indictment against you Mr. Fulson.

Just my opinion, if you or anyone else is going to do something as a joke, either stick with it or don't do it in the first place.

To want something deleted because of any possible "Use" the anti hunting forces might get out of it is as lame an excuse as there is.

I have nothing against you Mr. Fulson, and if memory serves me correctly, I believe you got your start in the DFW MetroMess on WBAP, with Barry Stokes.

I have enjoyed your commentary on such shows, I enjoy your reports on AR and your pictures and the work you do on various TV shows with Craig Boddington.

I just think the decision you made over the Lion post, by asking for a vote and then pulling it anyway was wrong.

That is just my opiniponm and we all know what opinions amount to.

I am glad that your career has taken the course it did over the years, you do a good job.

I just feel like the next time you decidse you want to make a funny, you consider all the parameters and either don't do it, or if you do, stand by it.

All of us do things in our lives that even our closest friends/advisors do not agree with, but at some point we have to look at the bigger picture and say, "Are My Actions On This Issue Really Going To Cause That Big Of A Problem"?

Most of the time, especially when it is done in fun with no malace intended, the answer is No.

"....was a fraud." Aren't we all to some extent?

I don't care one way or the other - I love his books.

Very poor form to speak ill of the dead IMHO

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Originally posted by SBT:
I don't care one way or the other - I love his books.

Agree completely!

That Capstick may or may not have been a fraud is immaterial - his tales have created enjoyable reading to a lot of folks, and possibly instilled some of his fans to seek similar adventures in Africa.
We should maybe thank Capstick for this contribution of his in keeping African hunting alive.
Let the poor old soul rest in peace.

Man this post is really getting old. Capstick was a fascinating writer no doubt. While everyone has an opinion about the man it is disgusting to throw a guy under a bus after he has passed. As far as being a fraud, goddamn the hunting fraternity has more frauds than can be counted. I remember reading in his book the African Hunter that James Mellon was disgusted by shooting a Kudu, if I remember correctly, that was short of 50" that he threw the head into a river. Nice guy, really class move by a spoiled rich child. I have also read here in AR posts similar things about Elgin Gates. So there are some of the old time hunters of the great African hunting era of the 50s to 60s who could really be called frauds and un-ethical hunters. What about the supposed sexual exploits of Bunny Allen during safaris that he wrote about himself. Was he a fraud also? As many others have posted Capstick is the main reason thousands of people started going on African hunts. I believe that quite a few PH's in Africa do tip their hat to Capstick for opening peoples eyes and pocket books to take the trip to the Dark Continent. Capstick probably had his faults, who doesnt, but to say he was a fraud I believe is unfair to his works.

This is the coward's way of attempting to elevate himself. Wait until someone one is envious of has been safely dead a few years, and then try and denigrate his memory.

It compares, IMHO, to a buzzard picking at the left over bits on a dead Lion. Not anywhere near the balls to attack the Lion while it is alive; just to try and get a feed off the carcass awhile down the road.

Much about Capstick's character remains conjecture. Your envious post here, however, does tell us everything we need to know about yours...

regards,

Rich

Aren't we a bunch of pious, uptight, self righteous citizens.

This thread was resurrected and the thread I started, titled Important, were done purely in jest.

We have people running around the site resurrecting threads from 2001. The site has a history of threads concerning Capstick and his actual place in the overall scheme of things, being resurrected and re-hashed on a fairly regular basis.

From what I have seen, while there are detractors, the majority do not really care about Capstick's antics in his personal life, and credit him with being a good or great writer and kindling the fire in them to go on an African Safari.

People need to lighten up just a little and pull their knickers out of their cracks. I never met or talked to PHC, but I figure that he would be amused for the most part that people have not forgotten that he was more than just a writer.

382....

Might as well make it 383 with a quote from Nganga/Steve.

That being said, I do in fact have an odd sense of humour and really never meant any of that stuff. Like the Capstick Stuff, in reality I really really like PHC and he got me there as well, it was just to damn tempting sometimes to just "push buttons".

I cannot remember what I had for breakfast but can remember a post from a year ago. Something is wrong with that.

I am beginning to really believe that the problem with humans/hunters and Americans, is that too damn many folks have forgot how to have fun.

If I ever get that way, I hope someone kills me and gets me out of my missouri!!!!!

Capstick from what I have read, seen from the few videos I have looked at, and heard from the only audio tape of his that I own, enjoyed life and humor on His terms, not the Peanut Galleries!!!!!!

I will continue forward in my blissful ignorance and be a fan of Capsticks and everyone else can their lack of humor and Go To Hell!!!!!

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Originally posted by Mike70560:
Might as well make it 383 with a quote from Nganga/Steve.

That being said, I do in fact have an odd sense of humour and really never meant any of that stuff. Like the Capstick Stuff, in reality I really really like PHC and he got me there as well, it was just to damn tempting sometimes to just "push buttons".

I cannot remember what I had for breakfast but can remember a post from a year ago. Something is wrong with that.

Did I really say that? Must have been in a Krieghoff thread or something.

Steve

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Originally posted by Nganga:
Did I really say that? Must have been in a Krieghoff thread or something.
Steve

Weak moment. I am sure of it.

I've heard PH's say this, but it begs the question. They may be right, or they may be wrong, but what impression am I left with?

I never met PHC and my only limited exposure to him is through his books (my wife did meet him and have him sign "Death in the Long Grass" for me years ago at Abercrombie & Fitch before they became just a trendy teen clothing store -- she said he was a bit odd with the monocle and all, but quite pleasant and "charming"). From that, should I conclude he was a thumper? I think that would be a bit of a jump.

However, whatever you say about him, he could spin a yarn. And isn't that why we bought the book after all? As to the PHs who are his detractors, do they not recognize that he helped their business regardless of his bona fides? The one's who are the most vocal make me question their own abilities and confidence in those abilities. It's simply not worth mentioning if they are really that good.

This is just an old, stale topic that should be left alone. May he rest in peace. Read his books and enjoy them, or don't. It's up to you.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
I am beginning to really believe that the problem with humans/hunters and Americans, is that too damn many folks have forgot how to have fun.

If I ever get that way, I hope someone kills me and gets me out of my missouri!!!!!

Capstick from what I have read, seen from the few videos I have looked at, and heard from the only audio tape of his that I own, enjoyed life and humor on His terms, not the Peanut Galleries!!!!!!

I will continue forward in my blissful ignorance and be a fan of Capsticks and everyone else can their lack of humor and Go To Hell!!!!!

+1

SSR

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This is just an old, stale topic that should be left alone.

I disagree, from my limited experience when topics, stale or not are just let rest in peace, there is a tendency for the more negative side of the topic or the detractors to rise to the top and the "Real History" gets skewed.

In my opinion, which is not based on any actual interaction with the man, PHC could be called a "Thumper" a Rounder or quite a few other adjectives, but I seriously doubt that "Stale" is one of them.

Capstick (IMO) was a great story tell and never let the facts stand in his way when telling a good story.

Wow. Folks still gettin' all "het up" on a thread that was started just days after the last presidential election. Whatever he was in life, I'll bet old Peter is chuckling into his highball glass in the clouds watching this fray ...

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Originally posted by NitroX:
5 elephants shot or 800 elephant claimed?

Whats the difference of 795 elephants between friends.

John that would be a real stinger, but that is not what he said in an interview on tape! His statement was;

"I have killed over 800 elephants, I say Killed, but what I mean is, I was in on the killing OF over 800 elephants. None of them were mine but belonged to the government, or clients!" "

None the less the comment was made in conjunction with a statement of elephant experience as a teacher of their habits! As far as I personally know PHC only killed ONE big bull for himself in Namibia with PH Volker Grellman! The bull was shot with a Famars 470NE double rifle!

I personally had a conversation with Volker, and his wife Onki at the DSC show the year after the film Capstick's HUNTING THE AFRICAN ELEPHANT came out! Volker was very impressed with PHC. saying that the man knew more about African game than anyone he had ever met!

On the note about PHC's PH license being not ever seen by anyone, I can tell you I have seen the license pictured in either a magazine article or maybe on the internet! I just can't remember where i saw it. The picture some say is his license in one of his books with two 375 Cartridges is not his license but his passport. The license I saw was readable and listed PHC as a PH for Ker & Downie in Zambia! It is true that when he first came to Africa he worked as a bar tender in "DUCK INN" in Moaun Botswana! This is where he made contact with all the safari companies and Game people. However he lived in Zambia while the Rhodesian bush wars were going on!

My sincere wish is that someone will write a biography about Capstick. I'm sure that Fiona has some documents, photos and the like that would shed some light on who the man really was.

I had originally planned to spend some time with Volker when I am in Namibia at the end of August but alas I couldn't make it work.

I also wish that that another compilation of his magazine articles be put together. Surely that book would sell and little work would be required to put it together.

rxgremlin, I may be wrong but if memory searves, his PH license was dontated along with one of his rifles to SCI to be auctioned off to raise funds. I have absolutely no idea who bought them, but Fiona probably knows!

I too would like to see a book with a compiliation of his magazine articles, with comments and pictures of documents, and of the scattering of his ashes in the Chobe (spl) river, by Fiona! Like you I think that book would sell like hot cakes and coa-coa on a cold day! I'd be first in line for a limited collector's copy.

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It's been a long, tough and disturbing week, In an effort to lighten things up...

That is hilarious!

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
It's been a long, tough and disturbing week, In an effort to lighten things up...

Nice work Steve! It's been like a soap opera here.

Brett

Hi Brett,
Yes, it's a bit like throwing beads in New Orleans or giving catnip to a feline, this thread always delivers!

We all needed a laugh!! Go read some of the beginning, it is really amusing and brings back some good times.

Have a great weekend!!

Steve

Damn! You got me again.