quote:

I will be there to take notes.
Larry

Larry, That cracked me up. I've met Karl. I think you meant "clean up the mess", not "take notes".

I don't have a problem repeating any of the things I have said, face to face with him. However, I'm not planning on travelling to Dallas just to do that. If he wants, he can come and visit me. It also wouldn't change any of the issues in dispute.

Larry and SBT,

I've thought about the suggestion of coming to Dallas a bit more, if someone is prepared to pay my flights, hotel expenses and reasonable reimbursements, I'm happy to come to Dallas and address the convention and discuss my "hunt" with the audience including Karl in attendance. Do you think we could slot this in for say 15 to 30 minutes or is the agenda too tight?

aint the internet a bitch.

quote:

Originally posted by Duckear:
fujotupo,

My comment on communication was partly in jest, but the flipping between deepest, darkest Africa vs a four bar cell signal in the land cruiser depending on which extreme works at the time does seem a bit disingenuous at times, wouldn't you agree?

Duckear:

I hope you realize that my tone of conversation was also laced with jest and not directed at you but the poster/s to whom you made reference.

Today we argue why he did not communicate - on other days you will hear of someone with a gripe that the PH spent most of his time talking to his GF and his mind was on everything else but hunting. at the client's expense.

I carry a cellphone (switched off) and a sat phone (also switched off) during the course of the entire day. I may, occasionally, make use of the cellphone during a lunch break at a predestined site where there is a known signal to possibly call home.


Duffy's last contribution somehow gives the impression that he got cold feet and baled out possibly because he falls into the category of the "Mr. Perfects" - one is led to believe that Duffy likes to be pampered.

The words 'maybe', 'if', 'perhaps', 'suppose', 'instead of' are liberally scattered throughout the conversation; the scope may not have the same light gathering capacities as the $2000 job he claims to have on his rifle, the trigger pull may not have the crisp trigger pull to what he is accustomed, etc. etc. - BUT, what if all these negatives assumptions were not there?

P.S. I don't know Karl from a bar of soap but when a spade needs to be called a spade, I'll call it.

Samir:

Don't know who you were hunting with but I can assure you that I have never heard of a client not being able to hunt because of unavailability of a spare rifle - on the other hand, one has to also accept the fact that the outfitter is under no obligation to have spare rifles with $2000 Zeiss scopes, 2.5lbs trigger pull, 1st grade French Walnut stock sitting in camp.

As for others who travel with matching Purdeys and Holland Royals, all the permits in the world won't help if the guns get lost - I suggest the appropriate insurance policy be deployed to cover any mishaps

quote:

Originally posted by elk88101:
Wow
Look what's has happened here we have people that have no idea who Karl is or have hunted with him or even talked or met him personally calling and naming him unscrupulous , a liar, a thief a slob And all other vicious slanders characterization.
And guess what?? They got these opinions from a person they also have never met or ever talked with or come push to shove would give a shit about.
How ridiculous!
Why don't all the nay Sayers if you believe to the morrow of your bones this guy is so terrible please come to the convention in Dallas and tell Karl to his face all these accusations, I am glad he would like to see if you actual have the moxie to discuss your displeasure with him face to face.
I will be there to take notes.
Larry

Yep,
Karl is a proven slob by business practice.
His treatment of a fellow Kentuckian and an Aussie to boot makes his bad reputation span the globe.
Lots of stuff stranger than fiction here.
Karl is surely not worth my time or money.
But if he wishes to come to me, I shall indulge him on my turf.
Yes indeed, the internet is a bitch.

I don't know either party. From reading this, I would call BS if it weren't for Tim's report. Tim is certainly reputable. So are some of those with good reports.

There are only 2 people that know. I surely do not.

This is just me but I would not care if I was using a gun with a trigger pull of 2 lbs. or 5 lbs. As long as I go to Africa, I take any chances. Last year I went to Africa,and comming from Canada I took a chance of going thru the USA with my guns, and my gamble paid off, no permits or paper work.

Fujotupu,

The use of the "if" and "maybe" etc was because I was discussing a hypothetical scenario, that is, what may be the situation if I were to go without any assurance that there would be a suitable rifle. If you go back and read the relevant post carefully you will see that I said the rifle and scope were valued at $2000, not just the scope. For your information, the scope is a Kahles. Furthemore, there was no mention that a 1st grade French walnut stocked rifle should be available, just a suitable scoped rifle with a trigger pull roughly around 3 lbs. Your conclusion about expecting to be pampered is just as valid as your ability to read "rifle and scope" being worth $2000 as "scope" being worth $2000.

quote:

If someone is prepared to pay my flights, hotel expenses and reasonable reimbursements, I'm happy to come to Dallas

David,
I am in no way taking sides on this, but you have got to be dreaming.

fujotupo

SBT,

The offer was to come to Dallas, the reply was, yes, if someone pays my expenses. Keep in mind that I am out of pocket $4,795 for my "hunt" with Karl that didn't happen.

quote:

Originally posted by David Duffy:
Fujotupu,

The use of the "if" and "maybe" etc was because I was discussing a hypothetical scenario, that is, what may be the situation if I were to go without any assurance that there would be a suitable rifle. If you go back and read the relevant post carefully you will see that I said the rifle and scope were valued at $2000, not just the scope. For your information, the scope is a Kahles. Furthemore, there was no mention that a 1st grade French walnut stocked rifle should be available, just a suitable scoped rifle with a trigger pull roughly around 3 lbs. Your conclusion about expecting to be pampered is just as valid as your ability to read "rifle and scope" being worth $2000 as "scope" being worth $2000.

Duffy:

Lol.....Thanks for confirming your rifle is just an ordinary "run of the mill" piece of hardware; the way you initially set the scenario gave an overall impression that it fell into another category and the mere fact that by pointing out my superficial 'reading errors' (purposely intended to exaggerate the situation, as you have done throughout your rant) lends credibility to the innermost workings of your 'perfect' character.

I hope you can resolve your issue with Karl in a civilized and amicable manner to benefit the both of you.

quote:

Originally posted by SBT:

quote:

If someone is prepared to pay my flights, hotel expenses and reasonable reimbursements, I'm happy to come to Dallas

David,
I am in no way taking sides on this, but you have got to be dreaming.

David is just dreaming of getting some of that walkin' around money the same way Karl gets it:
For nothing.

That's the way Karl got it from David and Tim.
Money for nothing.
I bet Karl wants his MTV too,
gangsta rap.

i find this thread interesting but not worrisome. i have never hunted with Karl but have known him for a number of years through a mutual friend, Walter Enslin. that will change in Oct. when he and i will be hunting a bull elephant. i have used camp rifles for my last 5 safaris and have been offered a choice of a .375, 404 Jeffrey or a .416 Rigby( will probably use the .416) for this hunt. i have used camp guns to take buffalo, hippo, 2 crocs, sable, kudu, leopard( camp shotgun), red duiker, suni( camp shotgun), 2 bushpig, mountain reedbuck, common reedbuck, bushbuck, jackal, gemsbok- well you get the idea. these hunts were in 4 different countries and different outfitters. the one thing they all had in common is that ALL OUTFITTERS HAD ADEQUATE RIFLES IN CAMP!! no way would i EVER stay home because i was worried about availability of a gun. hope this problem gets settled amicably- although i certainly doubt it.

fujotupu

Fujotupu,

I bet you have a much more valuable rifle and scope than my $2000 "run of the mill" job. However, I never did imply that it was worth any more than $2000. However, I have done a trigger job on it myself and it breaks cleanly at 2 3/4 pounds. It groups 5 225 grain Woodleighs into 1 inch as I have floated and bedded it and with scope it weighs just under 8 lb. Now tell us about your expensive rifle/s and I will feel so inferior, as I know that makes you a better hunter.

Something is rotten in Denmark.
Yep, something stinks.
Kool Kash Karl: Pipe Dreams, smoking the papers he should have submitted?
Smoking the first bank draft after the replacement cash arrived?
Why wait six weeks for the advance when you can get it sooner?
Smoking something that impaired his orientation to time and dates?
Munchies, chronic munchies?
Time for an intervention?
Another refund by Karl would be a good start.

quote:

Originally posted by David Duffy:
fujotupu

Fujotupu,

I bet you have a much more valuable rifle and scope than my $2000 "run of the mill" job. However, I never did imply that it was worth any more than $2000. However, I have done a trigger job on it myself and it breaks cleanly at 2 3/4 pounds. It groups 5 225 grain Woodleighs into 1 inch as I have floated and bedded it and with scope it weighs just under 8 lb. Now tell us about your expensive rifle/s and I will feel so inferior, as I know that makes you a better hunter.

ROFLMAO

I don't profess that my rifle is better, more or less expensive than yours, in fact I believe the humble Rem Mod. 700 in .300 win Mag, fitted with a Leupold 3-6 all in for $950 purchased about 15 years ago, prints consistently well if not better than most of the fancy stuff that has come my way.
That I have cherished this rifle for so long should tell you something - those clients who have been privileged to use it when theirs failed to show were extremely happy with the results.
Oh yes, it has a crisp ex-factory trigger break of around 2lbs - never bothered to measure because I am not going to quibble over a few ounces but nobody has bitched about it either so it has to be to satisfaction.

It plugs paper with constant 3" groups @ 100 meters, all achieved with box standard factory ammo. I try to stick with Remington as a brand but Federal makes no difference so I use that as well - 180gr. only.

I then own the much talked about .375 H&H Mag. Mine just happens to be a Churchill - been with me for 42 years to this day. Don't know what it is worth and I don't give a damn (it was gifted to me) so I wouldn't know its sale value at the time. It is not however grouped amongst the "Run of the Mill". I converted the Rigby peep sight into a ghost ring (works) - had a Holland slide mount fitted by Paul Roberts to take a 1.5 - 5 Burris (which has seen better days and will concede that it needs to be replaced). Shoots well but only used as a back up or for the client in need.
I have not required its services for the past 10 years as my .500 NE built somewhere back in the late 30's by Greifelt & Sons - Suhl (that would be Germany) - gifted to me by my late father, has yet to fail me when called upon.
It however prefers WR (Wolfgang Romey) ammo over KYNAMCO.
Zeroed to 20 meters (1" apart, right barrel printing at 2 o'clock) - Hakko Panorama sight is fitted on the rib to assist my ailing eyesight - screw it if it looks awkward and breaks tradition; my ass has more value.

Having been gifted the .500 I decided to part with the Rigby .450 NE (no point in keeping the Jag when you've just got yourself a Ferrari)

Anything more you would like to know?

Fujotupu,

There's nothing wrong with the Remington 700, I have three of them. From what I read, the 500NE is also excellent - I've been using a 450 Rigby Rimless Magnum on a couple of hunts.

We've had a bit of fun on some of the posts, and I've enjoyed some of the posts directed at me. I've also tried to give as much back where I have considered it appropriate. But I hope there are no hard feelings, either way. Many of the posts have expressed a desire to settle this dispute, and probably there is much in favour of this.

I have put a lot of time and effort into preparation of this hunt, and in addition to all the indirect costs such as shooting hundreds of rounds of .338 ammo. in preparation, I am out of pocket $4795 in direct costs caused by Karl Stumpfe's mistakes with my permit. I accept that they weren't deliberate mistakes and there was no malice intended. Nevertheless, I am out of pocket $4795.

I don't want to go on another hunt with Karl Stumpfe, ever - even if it is free. I still would like to go back to Africa and try for a kudu, warthog and hyena with a different outfitter, perhaps in a couple of years. After that, I wouldn't mind going after croc, and then maybe sable and eland.

If Karl wants to settle on a "without prejudice" basis and not have the terms of settlement disclosed, then he has my email account, and I will respect any request for confidentially. I am prepared to forego, any reimbursement for all the time involved, my indirect costs and all the inconvenience I have had. However, Karl made the mistakes and I am out of pocket $4,795 and that is what I am prepared to settle on, and we move on as suggested by many of the posts.

quote:

We've had a bit of fun on some of the posts, and I've enjoyed some of the posts directed at me. I've also tried to give as much back where I have considered it appropriate. But I hope there are no hard feelings, either way. Many of the posts have expressed a desire to settle this dispute, and probably there is much in favour of this.

No hard feelings whatsoever, just an exchange of differing opinions aimed at concluding a public debate without going overboard - there are however some members on this forum who at times when the going gets rough, allow themselves to get carried away.

As I stated earlier, I don't know Karl from a bar of soap and am not out to protect him or you. Other than having been in the business long enough and possibly longer than a good number of AR posters, have been witness to far worse situations than your current predicament which however is still a a tell-tale story in its initial stages between two equally pissed off individuals going for each others throats.

Try taking the lid off the pot and let the issue simmer down a while then use a different approach - I'm pretty sure something will be worked out.

[quote]someone is prepared to pay my flights, hotel expenses and reasonable reimbursements
you gotta be kidding man!!seems you are a expert on africa after 1 trip there!!africa can be good,bad and wonderfull and things do take time there!! african time is a thing we all have learned there!.Normally you get your money back if you have a travel insuranse...... dont you have that or did you forget that.... Karl find an arrangement with this guy and forget him asap.
RIP you must be a wery funny person i the real time but i think you have smoked your socks now

I've stayed out of this until now, but a couple of things:

It seems that the complaining party could quite readily find the internet tools to try to "ruin" Karl's reputation (his intent as per his letter, below), when the same tools were available to find Tim's earlier posts (and Karl's responses)... along with a few dozen posts from lots of gruntled (and at least one disgruntled) client(s). In other words, he could have "lived by the sword" a bit before he tried to kill someone with it.

And, I pretty much believe that if Mr. Duffy had read the reports, he would have had a bit better ability to evaluate any risks as to permits, a "user" gun, Karl's ability to sort things out, etc.

What would I have done?... Well, I know Karl (and Africa) pretty well, and would have gone. And.. certainally, would have used the internet (that Mr. Duffy and others use now to form opinions and support or trash) to find someone who knows Karl to get an opinion before I unilatterly cnacelled and get their opinions of the consequences of going without a rifle or even a permit in hand. Heck, if the tickets, etc. were unl-refundable, the worse consequence would be getting to camp without a rifle, hardly an unusual circumstance. It's happened to me 2 or 3 times and, while not perfect, I wasn't out thousands for tickets, etc. JMHO on that.

As to this letter:

quote:

Karl,

Don’t demonstrate your lack of knowledge of contract law, by saying stupid things.

Seems like this is not the first time you have lied and ripped off one of your clients, see if this brings back memories:

So let me say, that my “leopard hunt” with Karl Stumpfe was unbelievably bad. Karl, broke our contracted agreement in numerous ways, and lied to me so many times, I can’t even count them all.

Your comment about my manners and attitude is just hollow talk, as you know. Try to do a better job of discrediting me.

Let me explain something Karl, I am a determined person who is not going to give up on this matter. If you think that I am going to stop, then you are wrong. For example, this evening I have 3 prominent people to copy my complaint to in the US. I will use my spare time to spread the word about you, methodically. In addition, I will do the internet posts. And of course, they won’t be the first bad reports about you on the internet, I’m sure readers will be able to link my posts to the previous very bad posts. I plan to expose you, for what you are, to the absolute maximum I can. And I will keep this up, way into the future.

One thing I am curious about, what was the name of the person you claim you sent to Kasane to meet me? Or was this another lie?
Also, what is the name of your packing company?

Note you have 4 days left.

Regards
David Duffy

and Karl's response, for that matter..

Neither elevate the discussion much, do they?

So, Mr. Duffy, if you really want to confront Karl in Dallas, come on. I'll pay the first $200 for your expenses... but I get to sell tickets.

Yep! Ain't the internet great. Folks raising hell with each other. People who have never met complaining, supporting, having opinions (including me!) about stuff that they have never experienced.

I think we all have too much time on our hands.

Donna,

The issue of the flights, hotel expenses and reasonable reimbursements were covered in an earlier post, not kidding man. "Seems you are a expert on africa after 1 trip there" If you also read one of my first posts, I clearly said that I'm not an expert on Africa: "As such, there would be people on this forum who have more experience or knowledge of Africa and are more qualified than me to make posts and answer questions about Africa than me." Did you not understand this? I can't write it any clearer for you. Maybe someone can translate, if there are still problems. Unfortunately As far as a client only getting back their money if they have travel insurance - you're in the safari industry as mainly a fishing guide? So of course you don't have any vested interest?

I have met and broke bread with Karl, and I stand by my comments.

Ed:

You are up too early! Us old farts should sleep until noon and only dream of poetry, pretty women and flowers!

quote:

Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
I have met and broke bread with Karl, and I stand by my comments.

Ernest, I did sleep in until 5:20 then had to get to the office.

Don't have a computer in my house. We sort of like it that way and also have no AC, old fashion been living in the woods for 43 yrs. Yes I can walk out my back door and pee and offend no one. I need to come here to do that, eh.

quote:

Originally posted by fujotupu:

quote:

We've had a bit of fun on some of the posts, and I've enjoyed some of the posts directed at me. I've also tried to give as much back where I have considered it appropriate. But I hope there are no hard feelings, either way. Many of the posts have expressed a desire to settle this dispute, and probably there is much in favour of this.

No hard feelings whatsoever, just an exchange of differing opinions aimed at concluding a public debate without going overboard -

You've failed.

Not that you likely care, but to a party that isn't involved ... you come across like a first rate jackass.

JudgeG,

I only found Tim's hunt report well after my flight had departed, and I had started discussions with Karl. Of course, if I had have found several negative reports , which were factually based, then I probably would not have booked the hunt. Also, you would be aware that I haven't actually made other posts on these forums, notwithstanding that I have often viewed topics of interest - so I was hardly a frequent user. I suppose the lesson from that is to not be afraid to post negative reports because it may help save someone from making an uninformed decision. The downside though of filing negative reports is that you cop personal attacks from other people, and these same people haven't actually suffered any financial loss...however, you just have to wear that. You will also note that I have only stated the facts in relation to my dealings with Karl Stumpfe in any of my posts. There does not appear to be any dispute about what the significant facts actually are. Whilst we may have had more heated exchanges between us privately, I have not broadcast the specific details of those. Please also note that when you mentioned "his reply", it is actually my reply to him. However, we are just going over old ground with this. I really don't have any problem with, after reading all the facts, anyone stating that they would have risked it and gone, either with their valuable rifles or not. Likewise there will be other people who would not go. I don't expect everyone to reach the same conclusion. However, I do believe that everyone should know all the relevant facts, so they can decide whether or not to hunt with that particular outfitter. If I have stated a significant "fact" which is untrue, please tell me (and that applies to you Karl).

Mr. Duffy:

A few things I've learned in a whole bunch of safaris, being a judge and lawyer for 40 years and successful and spectacularly unsuccessful relationships with women :

Vitriol is never an asset.

Slung shit is usually splashed back on the thrower.

Kindness, understanding and reasoned logic usually win the day in negotiations while threats of irreversable actions (posting stuff on the internet) usually fail. I say this from personal experience, btw.

Revenge ain't so effective, sweet or self-righteous reputation building if you've stooped to the level of the alleged wrongdoers.

Particularly with small businesses, empathy is an asset. Everyone (consumers and producers) have problems and sometimes fail. Intentional and malicious acts aside, stuff happens (on behalf of both parties) when a service is contracted. All of us have feet of clay. Introspection and quiet deliberation of ones own contributions, motives and foibles is worthwhile before going public with any dispute as is trying, a bit, to put yourself in the other guys shoes. When both are done before pushing the "send" key , success in finding a remedy follows more easily in my experience.

Sometimes, two good men seem to foget how they were raised. Nothing good comes from that.

Nobody's dirty laundry is pretty (mine excepted .)

There is a great difference in writing a report about problems on a hunt and an avowed intent to ruin someone (who may have a family, limited venues to earn an alternative income, etc.) In the U.S. (and maybe in Australia) folks have more options of employment, I reckon. Ruining a P.H.'s business seems pretty damn severe (over a mistake in a gun permit????)).... I'd think long an hard about doing so, myself, particularly when a large majority of reports about the guy are positive.

Africa different. It is a Koufax curveball. Nobody hits it everytime. Any "business" is the same to some degree. Even the great "I" made many mistakes from the bench. Some could have been avoided by more research, a slower deliberation or just being smarter. Those rest on my soul every day. Still, I hope I don't go to hell for my mistakes and am quite glad that someone didn't decide to start a campaign to ruin me because I cost them freedom or money because of my (quite human) mistakes. I was a pretty good fighter pilot, lawyer, judge and daddy, but I'd never even attempt to be a P.H. in Africa. Too darn hard to hit the breaking ball.

Stating that a response in 4 days, soley to your satisfaction, or the latter (an intentional effort to destroy a reputation) will be posted until accomplished, says more about the one making the demand, than about the alleged wrongdoer. In other words, there is one heck of a difference in trying to get one's money back (and writing an informative, albeit negative, report) and unceasingly wanting to ruin someone (but refaining from doing so if unilatteral conditions are met). The first is principle, the second is revenge (and better left to the Lord, perhaps).

Judge G

I agree very well said
But the real question is it a TAX.
Larry

elk88101, we don't want to go down that road the current one has enough twists and turns, eh.

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Mr. Duffy:

A few things I've learned in a whole bunch of safaris, being a judge and lawyer for 40 years and successful and spectacularly unsuccessful relationships with women :

Vitriol is never an asset.

Slung shit is usually splashed back on the thrower.

Kindness, understanding and reasoned logic usually win the day in negotiations while threats of irreversable actions (posting stuff on the internet) usually fail. I say this from personal experience, btw.

Revenge ain't so effective, sweet or self-righteous reputation building if you've stooped to the level of the alleged wrongdoers.

Particularly with small businesses, empathy is an asset. Everyone (consumers and producers) have problems and sometimes fail. Intentional and malicious acts aside, stuff happens (on behalf of both parties) when a service is contracted. All of us have feet of clay. Introspection and quiet deliberation of ones own contributions, motives and foiables is worthwhile before going public with any dispute. When that is done before pushing the "send" key , success in finding a remedy follows more easily in my experience.

Sometimes, two good men seem to foget how they were raised. Nothing good comes from that.

Nobody's dirty laundry is pretty (mine excepted .)

There is a great difference in writing a report about problems on a hunt and an avowed intent to ruin someone (who may have a family, limited venues to earn an alternative income, etc.) In the U.S. (and maybe in Australia) folks have more options of employment, I reckon. Ruining a P.H.'s business seems pretty damn severe (over a mistake in a gun permit????)).... I'd think long an hard about doing so, myself, particularly when a large majority of reports about the guy are positive.

Africa different. It is a Koufax curveball. Nobody hits it everytime. Any "business" is the same to some degree. Even the great "I" made many mistakes from the bench. Some could have been avoided by more research, a slower deliberation or just being smarter. Those rest on my soul every day. Still, I hope I don't go to hell for my mistakes and am quite glad that someone didn't decide to start a campaign to ruin me because I cost them freedom or money because of my (quite human) mistakes. I was a pretty good fighter pilot, lawyer, judge and daddy, but I'd never even attempt to be a P.H. in Africa. Too darn hard to hit the curve.

Stating that a response in 4 days, soley to your satisfaction, or the latter (an intentional effort to destroy a reputation) will be posted until accomplished, says more about the one making the demand, than about the alleged wrongdoer. In other words, there is one heck of a difference in trying to get one's money back (and writing an informative, albeit negative, report) and unceasingly wanting to ruin someone (but refaining from doing so if unilatteral conditions are met). The first is principle, the second is revenge (and better left to the Lord, perhaps).

Lots of wisdom (and experience) in this post!

JudgeG,
As you have been a judge and a lawyer for over 40 years, you would be aware of the need to get facts right before conclusions are made. I have made it clear both to Karl and also in my original post, that the internet posts etc would happen irrespective of whether we reached a settlement. I have made it clear that I really didn't want to have a settlement and one of the conditions of that settlement was that I couldn't disclose the facts of the "hunt". The"4 days" refers to the 7 day option I gave Karl that any post of the facts of my "hunt" would also include details such that we were able to reach a settlement on the matter, if we reached an agreement within that time frame. It would be in Karl's interest (as well as any potential client) that the facts of our dispute also include the fact that he was prepared to reach a suitable agreement with his client. Note that at no time did Karl request me not to publicise the facts of the hunt. However, I am not interested in ruining anybody's business, and there has never been that threat. I believe that it is for the ultimate benefit of the hunting community in general that facts of what happened on a hunt, good or bad, are publicised. Hopefully, that may change the future behaviour of businesses if they are aware that their errors will be exposed. The world has changed in relation to permits and gun travel around the world. Professional hunters also need to change (if they haven't already) and put more attention into getting things right and lodged on time. Any potential client of Karl Stumpfe should be able to read up on both good hunting reports and also the bad ones. They then can balance the two and make their choice of whether to proceed with that PH or choose another. Do you really believe in the suppression of undisputed facts, to the detriment of the hunting community? Do you really think that it would be best to not let other hunters know about the permit problems caused by Karl's negligence?

JudgeG, Amen, indeed Amen.

Before David comes to Dallas to get in Karl's face, he needs to remember that Karl took a leopard charge for a client and killed the leopard with his bare hands. I asked Karl about it and his response was that it was not an experience that he would recommend.

I would hunt with Karl in a heartbeat.

Some of you experienced Africa hands have just about convinced me that I am not, "cut out to hunt Africa," even though I will go for the first time next year. I'll only focus my comments on one issue. It does not seem too much to ask to have the proper gun permits in hand with four months opportunity to provide them. I would never leave with my rifles without the permits. My rifles have sentimental value because of the memories of other hunts attached to them that goes far, far beyond their monetary value. Perhaps I have been too conditioned by many hunts in the United Kingdom and other places like Kyrgyzstan where you would never dream of going without proper permits. Even transit of a rifle as checked baggage through the airport in Amsterdam requires a Netherlands permit. Yes, I am sure that Africa is different, but a professional outfitter ought to be able to take care of permits.

All these words of wisdom are fine, and on the face of it seem to make a lot of sense. I have a financial loss, and when I rang Karl at his request, there was no apology and I stated in a quite reasonable manner that I wanted reimbursement for my costs. His loud reply was that he was not paying me anything and he terminated the call abruptly.

Please advise what you think is the best option for me to obtain reimbursement of my direct costs which were caused by Karl's stuff-up with the permit. Note also my requirement that the details of the hunt be made available to the hunting public.

I have hunted with "my" rifles and "camp" rifles in the past. Just last month used one of Dr. Juan Pozzis rifles in Argentina. I knew what the rifle and scope combination would be well before going, thanks to Dr. Juan. And it was exactly as promised.

I would be very leery and most likely made the same decision as Mr. Duffy if gun permits were not in order, as promised by the outfitter, and I had no idea whatsoever if "any" rifle would be available to me on arrival. This premise would apply to "any" outfitter, not just the one in this case. Things as simple as this, but extremely important, should be worked out well in advance to avoid creating a situation that throws everyone, especially the client, into having to make a "last minute" decision.

I simply see no need for this type of situation to ever come up and when it does, makes for a very unpleasant situation for both parties. Due dilligence could have prevented this from ever happening.

Just glad most of my African and other hunting expeditions are conducted with people I know, have hunted with prior and are totally dependable when it comes to things like this!!

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

So the P.h. will beat anyone at DSC and can kill Leopords with his bare hands, but don't ask him to fill out paperwork correctly or in a timely fashion. Sounds reasonable

Between this and Tim's report I have all I need to know. Why take the chance?

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Just glad most of my African and other hunting expeditions are conducted with people I know, have hunted with prior and are totally dependable when it comes to things like this!!

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

+1 on that!

I don't know Mr. Duffy from "Adam". For that matter I don't really know Tim personally either. I am friends with friends of Tim's and I have conversed with Tim electronically...and...his report was very professionally handled. I tend to think of Tim Herald as an honorable, forthright, knowledgeable, experienced, and honest guy. Nuff said for me.