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DHS: While a lot of what you say is true, the basic African mentality is the biggest problem. They think about the immediate NOT the long term plan or implications of their actions long term. No one has stopped to think of what will happen when the wildlife is gone nor are they able to comprehend such thoughts. | |||
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I have trouble understanding this mindset of not planning for the future. But then, I don't have the grab & take mentality. LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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Let me give you an example. While on safari, I had shot a lot of animals. Large quantities of meat was given to the trackers. Probably 200KGS each. We see a bunch of those tiny quail. The trackers proceed to try and kill them with stick and rocks. I asked why? The response was that they wanted to eat them. I asked why? They always eat them is the response. I pointed out they had all that meat in the back of the truck. Again, the response was that they always eat them. I will give another. One of the Africans came up on one safari and said there was no fuel. The PH asked why he didn't tell him yesterday. Ahh but there was fuel yesterday was the answer. This mindset will be the end of the wildlife in that continent. These guys can't feed them selves yet have a bunch of kids. Honestly, i think it is hopeless. When they have wrecked everything, it will be the fault of the colonial era. They will want massive amounts of aid. | |||
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The concept of "delayed gratification" is not to be found in Africa, but it is the foundation of a productive society. We toil in the spring and summer in the hot sun, knowing that our efforts will lead to an abundant source of food for the winter. Hunter-gatherers know only immediate returns from food they can kill or pick right now. When it is exhausted, they move on. | |||
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From what i have seen it is that the native population do not think the wild life animals or foul will ever end...when they see some they think it is a lot and will never end... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You've got the strongest hand in the world. That's right. Your hand. The hand that marks the ballot. The hand that pulls the voting lever. Use it, will you" John Wayne | |||
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Good day, gents: I'd like to throw in my two cents here although I didn't read the prior five pages of this post. You gents on this page 6 have it correct and my experiences mirror yours. I have always said (and seen in person) that to give an African 30 pounds of meat and he will eat a huge feast, vomit, and continue eating. Whereas the western mentality would eat one pound a day and be somewhat satisfied for a month. When a very close friend lost his ranch in the SE of Zim near Chiredzi the "war vets" and families destroyed the place. Cut down thousands of citrus trees for firewood rather than keeping them for a cash crop, pulled the metal from engines, water pumps and wells and sold it rather than using the material to irrigate crops and plant, and killed a huge population of game. Now, the place is a wasteland. And, I have noticed this mentality among many of the white PHs and taxidermy companies in Zim who are more interested in a quick dollar than to work hard and honest and have repeat customers. I speak from personal experience. I've watched a PH with the potential to be one of Africa's best walk way from situations and move on rather than work to resolve problems and many clients were hurt in the process. He now goes from concession to concession buying animals for his clients. He moves around every year rather than establishing a steady location and business to take him to retirement. It is the same: take what you can and run as there is no guarantee of tomorrow. It may be totally politically incorrect to say this in today's world but colonialism was the best thing that happened to sub Saharan Africa in any economic, political, wildlife, mineral, etc., situation. Cheers, Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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As I have said before, "cause and effect," are beyond concept. This is not only true of Zimbabwe, but of the whole of Africa. In fact, where ever folk of African decent are. As an example, witness Haiti. Then South Africa, where two mining unions are trying to outdo each other, and the ZAR is in a tail-slide because of their BS. | |||
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Cal Inuit are the same in my experience. But we europeans have our own blind spots. For example, does anyone dispute that the human population wave is pushing Africa's game to extinction? For example you often hear of the overpopulation of elephants in Zim, yet the truth is elsewhere. The truth is their are so many damn millions that most of what was Elephant country, is now infested with people. See Kenya as another example or Tanzanias Maasailand. We all know it but we still pack blue bags, we go with our church and build schools and clinics or teach the Maasai to farm which enables them to have more wives and even more kids as they turn the topsoil to dust. Surprise surprise more speared and poisoned lions. And what happens when Bill Gates and his billions cures malaria? It's too mean and inhuman for us to not do this, but it has consequences. I see no ultimate difference. | |||
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I do not disagree with any of what's been said about the African having no concept of planning ahead. On our last safari, my son and I lost a half days hunting in order to drive a member of the camp staff to the nearest main road. It seems though he knew he would be engaged for two weeks, he only brought enough prescription medicine for one ! The point I'm trying to make is there are people in that country who are educated. They're supposed to be leading the nation. Instead, they are stealing their own peoples future by acting out of hatred for the whites and what they've managed to accomplish. Is there anyone foolish enough to think ZANU couldn't step in and stop all this "war vet" nonsense ? Yes, they've taken back their land from the evil whites. They're reclaiming their dignity. And now, they can sit on that land and starve, in a dignified manner. | |||
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Disagreement over Save Conservancy exposes more ZANU PF in-fighting http://www.swradioafrica.com By Alex Bell 30 August 2012 The intensifying fight for control of the Save Valley Conservancy has exposed even more rifts within ZANU PF, with top party officials clashing over the Conservancy’s future. The Conservancy has become the latest target of the ZANU PF led land grab campaign, despite warnings about the destructive consequences such a campaign will have on the wildlife and tourism sectors. Earlier this year a parliamentary committee said in a damning report that the forced seizure of Save by top political and military figures with “no interest (or) experience in wildlife conservation” had resulted in massive destruction there. “Save Valley conservancy has ceased to exist in its original form: there is extensive habitat destruction, large scale fence destruction and rampant poaching of animals, especially the rhino, whose numbers were said to be fast dwindling,” the report said. A group of ZANU PF officials, called the ‘Masvingo Initiative’, were identified as the key players behind this destruction. This includes Higher Education Minister Stan Mudenge, Masvingo Governor Titus Maluleke and war vet Shuvai Mahofa who have all been given 25 year land leases in the Conservancy. They have also recently become the recipients of hunting licences, handed over by National Parks chief Vitalis Chadenga in the name of ‘indigenisation’. The Masvingo gang has also instilled some of its officials as the new Conservancy leaders, after invading the area and taking over a management meeting last week. The legitimate Conservancy chiefs have called the handover of the new hunting licenses a ‘criminal act’ that has nothing to do with genuine indigenisation efforts. Conservationists have also warned that the situation will have a devastating effect on the wildlife and hunting sector, with no commitments to the necessary controls for sustainable and ethical hunting practices. The takeover of Save is apart of what ZANU PF is insisting is a government approved ‘wildlife based land reform’ policy. But the fight has now seen ZANU PF officials face off, with Environment and Natural Resources Minister Francis Nhema on one side and Tourism and Hospitality Industry Minister Walter Mzembi on the other. Nhema has said the landowners in Save need to ‘cooperate’ with the new beneficiaries, insisting the ‘reform’ of conservancies will go ahead. Mzembi meanwhile has expressed concern and opposed the scheme, arguing it threatens the successful hosting of next year’s United Nations World Tourism Organisation General Assembly in Victoria Falls. Mzembi has also said the targeting of the conservancy for ‘reform’ was against Zimbabwean laws. This has led to the Tourism Minister being labelled a ‘sell-out’ by ZANU PF members, who have accused Mzembi of deciding “to side with the whites to reverse the land reform programme.” Political analyst Professor John Makumbe told SW Radio Africa that ZANU PF’s bickering over Zimbabwe’s assets is a sign of the “fragile state ZANU PF is in.” He said that the rush to grab as much as possible, regardless of the damage being done, is linked to this. “ZANU PF is preparing for the worst by grabbing what they can and attempting to legitimise these acquisitions before an election. This is part and parcel of the widespread asset stripping going on in Zimbabwe as elections are looming,” Makumbe said. Minister Mzembi has now been urged to engage with his government partners and revoke the new hunting licenses. This is the recommendation of the Zimbabwe Tourism Authority, whose board has said that “government should remove illegal settlers encroaching onto the conservancies.” “The communities should be empowered through the Community Share Ownership Scheme and other empowerment benefits,” a memorandum from the Tourism Authority board said. SW Radio Africa has tried to get comment from Minister Mzembi but his phone went unanswered on Thursday. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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I don't want to rain on your parade, Dahlgren, but that's the sort of thing I hear from urban intellectual control freaks. I'll go with the middle one as being the more reliable philosophy.  | |||
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http://www.theindependent.co.z...1/eu-warns-zimbabwe/ EU warns Zimbabwe By The Independent on August 31, 2012in News, Politics THE European Union this week sternly warned Zimbabwe it could find itself under renewed economic sanctions over the controversial granting of Save Wildlife Conservancy hunting permits to Zanu PF officials and cronies, barely a month after they were suspended.Report by Herbert Moyo The EU in July lifted development aid restrictions but Zimbabwe, which is only due to benefit from direct economic assistance in the EU’s 2014-2020 plan for African countries, could lose out if authorities do not reverse the Save Conservancy grab. In an interview with the Zimbabwe Independent this week EU ambassador to Harare Aldo Dell’Ariccia warned of the possibility of restoring the sanctions although he expected “reason to prevail” after meeting Tourism minister Walter Mzembi, who is expected to table the issue of reversing the hunting permits before cabinet. “You will recall that the EU suspended the effect of the restrictive measures because of progress achieved by the GNU towards democratising Zimbabwe and respecting bilateral investments, but anytime those measures could be re-imposed if progress is reversed,” Dell’Ariccia said. A fortnight ago Dell’Ariccia raised the possibility of boycotting the United Nations World Tourism Organisation (UNWTO) conference to be co-hosted by Zimbabwe and Zambia next August saying the parcelling out of the conservancy amounted to a violation of bilateral investment protection agreements Zimbabwe entered into with EU countries. The vice-chairman of the Save Valley Conservancy, German national Wilfried Pabst said there could be “immediate tourism sanctions and investment warnings followed by a scaling down of EU and American governments’ support for the economic rescue of Zimbabwe”, in response to questions emailed to him. “How can foreign governments spend their tax money on a country like Zimbabwe if the government allows a wholesale slaughter in high profile tourism destinations like the Save Valley Conservancy?” asked Pabst. The conservancy was founded in 1991 and is co-owned by groups of foreign whites and black Zimbabweans who control hunting and manage it to protect the endangered wildlife that includes elephants, rhinos and buffalo. Since its establishment, the conservancy has been run in partnership with the Agriculture and Rural Development Authority. Pabst said Zanu PF officials like former Gutu South MP Shuvai Mahofa simply wanted to make quick profits as shown by a letter she allegedly sent to owners of Savuli Ranch in the conservancy on August 8, 2011 asking them — according to Pabst — to “please deposit at least US$20 000 from this year’s hunting in my account before Saturday August 13 2011 for my up-keep. Account details are Shuvai Mahofa, Barclays Bank, Chiredzi Branch, Account Number 25 95-6007461”. “They have little economic background and don’t understand the principle of philanthropic investment so they think that where a successful businessman like me is involved, there must be money,” said Pabst. “Well, there isn’t and most of us would be very happy if we can just break even.” Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai on Tuesday condemned events in the Save Valley Conservancy saying “they send the wrong message at a time when we are preparing to host the UNWTO.” Tsvangirai met Mzembi and Environment and Natural Resources minister Francis Nhema to discuss the issue. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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I am hunting in the Save Valley in early Oct.2012 and have confirmation that the my outfitter has his hunting permits back in hand. | |||
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I hope you get to make your hunt as planned, and I hope your trophies make it to your taxidermist. Good Luck!!! Go Duke!! | |||
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Eyehunter92, with whom are you hunting? "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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I would be interested in hearing who also. I was supposed to hunt the Save in Oct. 12 with Terry Anders.... | |||
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I have confirmation on Sango. I start October 2. | |||
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Its a shame whats going on in Save now. I fell for the Outfitters there. Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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"I want you out!" Just watching that arrogant, thieving piece of sh*t, and I yearn for a 7.62 FN in any configuration. A blight and a pestilence on the land. dum vivimus serviamus facta non verba | |||
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Larry, Ironically enough, I observed the same as a cop working in an inner city...
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Zanu PF Factions Take Save Conservancy Dispute to Courts http://www.voazimbabwe.com Blessing Zulu 31.08.2012 The fight between two Zanu-PF factions and owners of the Save Conservancy has now spilled into the courts despite attempts by Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai and Vice President Joyce Mujuru to diffuse the tension. The European Union has warned that the latest invasion has the potential of tarnishing Zimbabwe’s image ahead of next year’s congress of the World Tourism Organization to be hosted by Zambia and Zimbabwe. Environment Minister Francis Nhema drew fire from cabinet colleagues after he handed land and hunting leases to 25 individuals, mostly senior Zanu-PF officials, who also benefited from the country’s controversial land reforms and other empowerment initiatives. But Ttourism Minister Walter Mzembi accused his colleagues of “promoting greed” and undermining one of the sectors credited with helping the country’s economic recovery. Founded in 1991 and running along the Save Rriver, the conservancy is a habitat for elephant, zebra, giraffe as well as the country’s second largest surviving population of endangered black rhinoceros. Nhema told VOA that the warring parties are now counter-suing each other. E-U Ambassador to Zimbabwe Aldo Dell’Arricia said they are disturbed by the invasion. Economist and former president of the Zimbabwe National Chamber of Ccommerce, Luxson Zembe, said the latest invasion would affect Zimbabwe’s economic recovery. Meanwhile, the Mr. Tsvangirai's party says police in Harare are trying to block their rallies in the city claiming that a member of the MDC-T was involved in violent activities targeting Zanu-PF supporters. But, MDC organizing secretary Nelson Chamisa said the rally is going ahead as planned. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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The invasion of the Save Valley Conservancy http://www.cathybuckle.com September 1, 2012, 4:30 am We were told this week that the results of the census will be announced at the end of the year. Those figures will show the racial composition of Zimbabwe’s population and we will see just exactly how many whites are left in ‘Mugabe’s Zimbabwe’ - as he likes to think of it. He and his Zanu PF have certainly done all they can, short of actually expelling them, to ensure that whites feel unwelcome in the land of their birth. I was still living in Zimbabwe when the farm invasions began and I well remember driving into Harare from my home in Murehwa and seeing one of the highly productive farms that had been renamed ‘Black Power Farm’. It was around the same time there were war veterans from their headquarters in Murehwa town toi toi- ing past my house in the dead of night. Mugabe was intoning his hymn of hate even then, the truth is that the tune has never really changed in all the years Zimbabwe has been an independent black African country. Mugabe and Zanu PF are no less racist than the white supremacist Smith regime; the only thing that has changed is the colour of the dominant key. It is no coincidence that the people who have invaded the Save Valley Conservancy are Zanu PF supporters. They acted, they say, in the name of ‘black empowerment’ and, Mugabe’s declaration that conservancies are ‘dominated by whites’ no doubt spurred them on. It may well be true that white people were prominent in animal conservation but there is no evidence that those same whites enriched themselves excessively in the process. Their motives appear to have been genuine concern for Zimbabwe’s natural resources and a desire to conserve the animals and their environment. The same cannot be said of the new land invaders; the 25 men who invaded the Save Valley Conservancy led by two Zanu PF MPs whose motives are clearly political. They have vowed that they will not move from the Conservancy; they are ‘correcting colonial imbalances’ they say. The Conservancy replies that 2/3 of their shareholders are in fact black. White or black, it is tragic that the fate of innocent animals is caught up in this racist one-up-manship. The invasion of the Save Valley Conservancy has caused widespread dismay and the prediction that if it happened it would risk western business investment in the country is proving correct. International conservation circles have expressed their profound alarm and diplomats have said that the invasion might lead to withdrawal of UN support for the World Tourism Conference due to be held in Zimbabwe next year. The EU has threatened to withdraw all aid from Zimbabwe if the invasion of the world-renowned Save Valley Conservancy is not stopped. Money is short everywhere and, as hunger worsens in Zimbabwe, there are already signs that the appeal to aid agencies for funds is not yielding the anticipated results. In a related development, it has been announced that Zimbabwe has no funds to move animals to Victoria Falls where the conference will be held. Animal numbers in the Vic Falls Game Park have fallen considerably owing to drought and the organisers of the World Tourism Conference had wanted to show the international delegates a sample of the magnificent wild life to be seen in Zimbabwe. Instead of turning the issue into a racial slanging match, for political purposes, it would be more to the point if Robert Mugabe and Zanu PF found some way to make the World Tourism Conference a reality, thus giving Zimbabwe a boost to its sadly diminished international reputation. Preparations for the Tourism Conference have not even started apparently, one year after the government won the bid to host it in alliance with Zambia. As part of the deal Zimbabwe is expected to upgrade the Vic Falls Airport, to revamp water and sewage systems in the town, to resurface the roads and to rehabilitate the local hospital. Quite apart from all those tasks, there is the question of Air Zimbabwe, the bankrupt national airline which, we hear, is reduced to just one aeroplane! It’s hard to see how visitors, be they black or white, will be transported to and from Zimbabwe without planes to carry them! Yours in the (continuing) struggle, Pauline Henson Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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 I could not agree more with you Scriptus! Don Jooste & Doug Duckworth doubledproductionsdon@gmail.com doubledproductionsdoug@gmail.com doubledproductionstara@gmail.com Double D’ Productions | |||
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Michael Levin (Philosophy Professor at City College of New York) wrote a book in the late 90's that provides the statistical confirmation and biological basis for much of what as been said in this thread. He also presents some fundamental philosophical arguments for intellectually honest, although not politically correct, approaches to handling the issues identified. The book is titled "Why Race Matters" and is available from Amazon in hard copy or electronic format. Read the book and compare its theories and conclusions with what has and is happening in both Zimbabwe and the U.S.A. Why many of these things are happening is explainable, what to do about them given the current collective attachment to "Political Correctness" is another question. | |||
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http://allafrica.com/stories/201209020393.html Zimbabwe: Save Invasions Threaten Us$30m Safari Business Threat 2 September 2012 ZIMBABWE risks a ban from the US Fish and Wildlife Service, emanating from the chaos in the Save Valley Conservancy, where owners were denied hunting permits The permits were issued to 25 individuals, the majority of them Zanu PF sympathisers, in a move analysts said would put a dent on the country's image ahead of the co-hosting of the UN World Tourism Organisation General Assembly next year. Industry players told Standardbusiness on Friday the impasse may prompt the US Fish and Wildlife Service to impose a ban on trophy exports to the US. This paper was told on Friday, such a move would kill the US$30 million safari business. "The organisation is not likely to accept the importation of trophies into the US if Zimbabwe is seen to have violated best practices. Importation into the US will be terminated because it threatens the integrity of hunting," an industry player said on Friday. Trophy exports to the US constitute 80% of the industry's total exports. The fresh setback to hit the industry comes months after Parks and Wildlife Management Authority did not renew leases for operators at a time they had already secured clients. Vitalis Chadenga, the authority's director-general, was not answering his phone on Friday. Emmanuel Fundira, Safari Operators Association of Zimbabwe president, said the denial of permits to hunters destroyed the image of the industry and led to negative perceptions. "Empowerment needs to be managed in a transparent manner with a high degree of accountability so that it does not become self-serving. That way it can deliver value for the business and community concerned," he said, adding that expropriation would only deter investment. Another operator bemoaned failure by authorities to give hunting licences to the conservancy owners. "Clients paid last year to hunt in the concession but the owners cannot fulfil their obligations as a result. It puts a big dent on the country's image," the operator said. The operator said the new permit holders had neither the knowledge nor the clients related to the industry and wondered how they were given permits in the middle of the hunting season. The hunting season runs from April to November each year. Following the invasion of the Save Valley Conservancy by Zanu PF-aligned officials, led by Chiredzi South MP, Ailess Baloyi, Tourism and Hospitality Industry minister, Walter Mzembi, instructed the Zimbabwe Tourism Authority (ZTA) board to recommend solutions to the impasse. The board also recommended that permits issued to partners should be revoked until the matter had been resolved. The board noted that one of the policy implementation challenges was that while the lease holder applied for hunting quotas to the Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, the farmer also applied for the same hunting quotas for the same area. "This has also brought confusion, leading to Parks and Wildlife Management Authority to stop issuing hunting permits. This has resulted in illegal hunting taking place, communities encroaching into conservancies, the product being destroyed and there is now negative publicity on the destination," said the ZTA board. Zimbabwe presently has a wildlife-based land reform policy with the objective of ensuring conservation and sustainable use of wildlife for present and future generations and to maintain a proportion of land outside protected areas under wildlife management. Challenges associated with perceived country risk, absence of working capital, insufficient domestic services and dilapidating infrastructure have over the past decade curtailed any significant development of the tourism industry. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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The problem with that is that most tribes people have an attention span less than that of a two year old.  | |||
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It's amazing that Zim officials didn't even SEE this coming??? IMO besides their ruthlessness... they aren't even playing with a full deck from the get-go  My heart goes out to you Zim operators and families that are being directly affected by this BS. | |||
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I'm assuming most here saw the movie "Dumb & Dumber". Even those guys were not as clueless and inept as the Zim. version is in real life. When we were there last year, I was told by a p.h. that 1 of the local white operators was approached by 3 black men claiming they were his new partners & demanded he give them each 51% of his holdings. He tried to explain there can only be one 51%, but they insisted that they each owned 51%. How can you deal with this kind of stupidity? What are your chances of surving business wise when you are FORCED to share your buisinees with these idiots? It can be hard enough when things are going OK, but throw gross stupidity into the mix & it just becomes near impossible. It is painful to watch this self destruction of what could be a paradise. That's Africa! LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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Chiefs want conservancy seizure reversed http://www.newzimbabwe.com 03/09/2012 00:00:00 by Staff Reporter CHIREDZI chiefs have demanded that the government reverse the controversial indigenisation of Save Valley Conservancy which has sparked public clashes between cabinet ministers and drawn threats of aid cuts by the European Union. Environment minister Francis Nhema recently directed that owners of the prized 3,400 square-kilometre wildlife reserve in the south-east Lowveld region take on some 25 individuals, most of them senior Zanu PF officials, as partners in order to comply with the country’s indigenisation policies. The beneficiaries include higher education minister Stan Mudenge, Masvingo governor Titus Maluleke, senator Josiah Hungwe, MPs Ronald Ndava, Alois Baloyi, Abraham Sithole and former legislator Shuvai Mahofa. But the decision appeared to cause divisions in the cabinet with Tourism minister, Walter Mzembi, accusing his party and cabinet colleague of promoting greed by “empowering people who are already empowered severally in other sectors, such as farming, ranching, sugar cane farming, mining”. And on Monday, traditional leaders from the area, Chief Gudo, Chief Tshovani and Chief Sengwe, called on the government to reverse the decision, accusing Nhema of empowering a few individuals at the expense of their communities. “The adopted programme, which sadly prioritises a few individuals is against the concept of broad-based economic empowerment of communities,” the chiefs told reporters at a press conference in Harare. “It has allocated vast resources in Chiredzi to a few individuals. The option that the governor and his clique have adopted, under which they partner the sitting tenants, has caused a lot of destruction to the wildlife. “The option we had proposed would, instead, see the owners teaming up with local communities who would own 51 percent of the project in line with the country's indigenisation programme.” The conservancy’s owners deny allegations that the project is controlled by foreigners and warn that Nhema’s decision could lead to its complete collapse. "Two-thirds of the stakeholders of the conservancy are black,” Wilfried Pabst, a German businessman who is vice-chair of the conservancy said recently. "(The park) is a working example of how something really special can be a success, by including all sectors of the community, especially the rural poor who have previously got nothing out of wildlife.” Still, the new partners have since vowed to stay put and dismissed claims their involvement would threaten wildlife and leave thousands of jobs at risk. “What we are trying to do is correct the historic imbalances caused by colonialism and opening up opportunities for blacks in Zimbabwe,” said Baloyi. “We are the rightful players in the Save Valley Conservancy because we have the leases and the other guys do not have anything.” Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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why don't we as forum members drop the politically correct attitude and call this for what it is- a land grab by a few GREEDY BLACKS INTENT ON ENRICHING THEMSELVES and who could care less about wildlife OR LOCAL BLACK TRIBES??? 3 years from now when the Save is a desolate moonscape, these same blacks will still be blaming whitey for the problems THEY CREATED! oh, that's right- keep forgetting- it's the white man's fault..... the hypocrisy here boggles the mind. sure, everyone knows-it is the white man who turned Eden to desert. give me a break!!!! give Africans half a chance and they f--k up a one car funeral procession. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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"Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" -- Ronald Reagan "Ignorance of The People gives strength to totalitarians." Want to make just about anything work better? Keep the government as far away from it as possible, then step back and behold the wonderment and goodness. | |||
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That's exactly the kind of commentary which gives the trophy hunting community a bad name. | |||
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Interesting take. Each to their own I guess. Do you not agree with the statement, or do you think it should not be stated? I have met a lot of nice folks in the "trophy hunting community". One thing they share is a passion for Africa and its wildlife. There are a lot of people who care about what is going on over there and feel more than a little helpless. JD's statement captures this passion and frustration very well IMO. "a bad name" for the hunting community seems trivial at best compared to watching the Save crumble into waste. I can not imagine working so hard at creating something and then have it stolen away...If that does not make you mad at the world, nothing will. I actually find it very refreshing to hear someone who has the balls to say what most everyone else is thinking.... Come to think of it, that is about the best little piece of truth I have read in a while. Thanks JD. | |||
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