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All areas of the Save have been assigned partners except Sango. Senuko has been assigned a partner. The latest is that all PH's hunting in the Save have been notified that they will have their licenses suspends for a year because they conducted unauthorized hunts. One group was excepted. These are the black PH's that hunted in the Save. Go figure. | |||
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Well that sucks more than just a little bit! I guess I'll start researching Zambia and Mozambique, as it seems like it's soon to be impossible to count on anything resembling stability in Zim (and Tanzania and Botswana too damn expensive). | |||
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Zimbabwe, looting big time while attention is on constitution By Clifford Chitupa Mashiri 14th August 2012 The recent issuing of hunting permits and 25-year land leases to top Zanu-pf officials without regard for merit principle is arguably part of the ongoing looting and plunder that is taking place in Zimbabwe while attention is on the controversial draft constitution. Zimbabweans are appalled by Zanu-pf’s scorched earth policy of “smash and grab” being rolled out under the noses of the coalition government in the name of the so-called indigenisation policy. The hunting permits which have been branded by those in the industry as “illegal” have arguably been issued by the regime to reward cronyism ahead of elections in which Robert Mugabe risks humiliation if the Diaspora Vote is restored. The fact that even Parliament issued a damming report on some of the beneficiaries for inclusion of conservancy land in the land grab campaign shows that Zanu-pf has a low opinion of the legislature let alone the rule of law. More disappointing is the fact that the allocation of the hunting permits is being done with no commitment to safeguarding wildlife from which the country earns vital foreign currency and scarce employment in the tourism sector. The anarchy prevailing in the conservancies has shocked even the Zanu-pf Tourism Minister Walter Mzembi who reportedly fears it will dent the country’s tourism credentials as Zimbabwe lays out ambitious plans to host the UNWTO next year. It is sad that as the country’s attention is focused on the constitution crisis, the regime is fomenting a new one in the environmental sector by ignoring pleas to save the Save Valley Conservancy. Endangered animals are facing a major threat to their lives because of out of control hunting systems and that should be stopped. The regime is acting as if the world is coming to end with Mugabe’s exit. Clifford Chitupa Mashiri, London, zimanalysis2009@gmail.com Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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So sad in that the pattern in Zim is for the ones in power to squeeze what it can for their benefit using our desire and love of this country by those that befriended us along the way. There are areas that really are not huntable. What is huntable thins everyday. Remember the days when an African hunt had a better chance of no drama vs say an elk hunt in NA? I hate to say it but for the money Zim is becoming a chance you must now seriously consider. When things first started downhill we have been fooling ourselves that things were static enough to be ok. Who are we kidding. It is probably time for the US to look into an embargo of Zim. It's really that bad | |||
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im guessing if you hunt in the save there is very little chance you will get your trophies. I wonder if the trophies will come in from hunts done earlier in the year? | |||
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I have a hunt scheduled in Zim next June with Chifuti and this news concerns me more than just a little. Dave and Tim will take care of me, I am sure. | |||
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Larryshores - not sure where you are getting your info from about PHs being suspended for a year. We have been asked to submit written reports of our hunting in SAVE this year and the timeline will be friday 17 August. Not sure who has been notified when they have not yet met to make any decisions.??? There is a lot of speculation but I certainly have had no such notification. We can only watch and wait. | |||
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I'm glad I am going to Zimbabwe next month. I think if you can swing it you should go. It is the money we pay to Mugabe and his crew that preserves what little is left. Maybe if more of us were chipping into the Mugabe retirement fund, this may have not happened. Obviously if screwing with the SAVE really hurt Mugabe it wouldnt have happen. The only constant is change and in Africa that means fewer and fewer animals and more and more people, cows and goats. In March I was lucky enough to see 5 of the last wild Black Rhino in Tanzania. They believe there are maybe 20 total. Following Zim's slow motion suicide makes me think its likely that South Africa is getting a free preview of its future. Monkey see monkey do. | |||
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hunts in Save are/were not cheap. don't think i would be too happy about "making do". this is just another Zim cluster f--k. when the morons run the nut house, what else can you expect? Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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God forbid, you are more than right! The writing is on the wall. One just has to read the daily press, watch the ANC propaganda machine at work, [SABC] to see it coming. The ANCYL [ANC Youth League] promise to make the DA controlled Western Cape [Cape Town and environs] ungovernable. AND, just for good measure, another farmer murdered. | |||
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http://allafrica.com/stories/201208150629.html Zimbabwe: Zanu-PF Bigwigs Get 25-Year Leases By Tatenda Chitagu, 14 August 2012 Masvingo — Zanu PF bigwigs who grabbed formerly white-owned conservancies in Masvingo province were recently given 25-year leases and annual hunting quotas by the Parks and Wildlife Management Authority. Some of the beneficiaries have previously been accused of wantonly slaughtering game in the conservancies at the expense of sustainable conservation. Those who were given leases included Minister of Higher and Tertiary Education Stan Mudenge, Masvingo Governor Titus Maluleke, former deputy minister of Youth Shuvai Mahofa, Chiredzi North MP Ronald Ndava, Chiredzi South MP Ailess Baloyi, Livingstone Chineka and Enock Porusingazi. They paid US$350 for the hunting quotas licences. Parks and Wildlife Management Authority Director General, Vitalis Chadenga said the move came after negotiations with white owners after attempts to foster co-ownership failed. "Government spared conservancies from the fast-track land reform programme to get orderly transfer in the wildlife sector," said Chadenga. "We then formulated the Wildlife-based land reform programme but we have not been successful in getting old and new conservancy owners working together, hence we are issuing these 25 year-leases to new beneficiaries," Chadenga. He said the eight-year impasse between the former owners and new black farmers had left the animals in the sanctuaries at the mercy of poachers. The poachers, said Chadenga, targeted the Black Rhino. The 25-year leases come at a time when new owners are being accused of failing to live up to the capital intensive venture, leaving dangerous animals like lions to stray to surrounding areas of human habitation, killing cattle and posing a threat to humans. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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Goodbye lions.  ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Found this cable on WikiLeaks. " There also are a number of private wildlife conservancies still operating in the country that allow hunting, the largest being the Save Valley Conservancy (SVC) located in the south eastern lowveld area of the country near the border with Mozambique and South Africa. Formed in 1991, the SVC is made up of 31 title properties (including an American principal) covering 866,000 acres and holds a significant proportion of Zimbabwe's wild dog and rhino populations, including the endangered black rhino. There are also abundant populations of other southern Africa wildlife. An American who owns Hammond Ranch in the SVC, told us that with the collapse of Zimbabwe's tourism industry, the SVC now relies almost entirely on sport hunting for income. He added that without American hunters the SVC would be out of business which would lead to an even sharper increase in poaching and resettlement in the SVC as well as other conservancy areas and national parks. He also highlighted that Hammond Ranch alone employs over 40 full time staff and supports 600 women in the Nyangambe community through a profit generating project. The SVC is also involved with several other important conservation projects. David Goosen, director of Sango Ranch in the SVC, reported that the SVC recently finalized an agreement with Parks to serve as a pilot program to take on local communities as legal business partners. Under the agreement, local communities will receive a set fee for each type of animal killed on a particular section of the conservancy in addition to receiving the meat from the animal. The idea is to instill in the local communities that wildlife has a financial value that needs to be protected from poaching and to prevent further resettlement encroachment into the conservancy. If successful, Parks plans to replicate the program to at least six other private conservancies throughout the country. " The danger of civilization, of course, is that you will piss away your life on nonsense | |||
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See this is what I heard directly from the mouth of one of the larger owners while I sat in his back yard just two weeks ago. He was sure that the papers were to be signed in a couple of days from when I saw him. So which is true this or the take over of all of SAVE that is being spoken about in this thread? We need to let things shake out a bit before we all go screaming the sky is falling! | |||
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Frik Muller new member Posted 14 August 2012 14:57 Hide Post 376 steyr We have been moving clients to other areas since the begining of the season, we finally had to do 1 hunt on Chishakwe have been unable to hunt since .We have notified all our other clients who have had the opption of refunds or changing areas ,everyone has decided to move to other areas. The landowners have oppted not to deal with new shareholders. So all the articles that Kathi has posted and Frik Muller's post are not to be taken notice of, whether the sky stays up there or not. | |||
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http://allafrica.com/stories/201208170522.html Zimbabwe: Issuing of Hunting Permits to Black Farmers Spot On 17 August 2012 The issuing of hunting permits to 25 black farmers allocated lots at the Save Valley Conservancy last week is testimony of Government's commitment towards indigenising every facet of the economy and thrusting indigenous people at the core of economic development. There is no doubt whatsoever that there is big money to be made in wildlife farming, and this easily explains why white conservancy operators were refusing to co-exist with new farmers, the reason for the eight-year stalemate. We salute the Government for effecting the 51 percent shareholding for indigenous farmers and 49 percent for white farmers in the Save Valley Conservancy and urging co-existence between the parties. It must, however, be noted that the issuing of permits to black farmers on Thursday was a major breakthrough in the history of wildlife farming in Zimbabwe given that for many years it had been a preserve of a few white farmers who shut the doors for others. The black farmers should also be aware that getting hunting permits is one thing, as while it calls for celebration, it also heralds the beginning of the drama, since co-existence is not easy given our different backgrounds. There is indeed need for the parties to find each other for the sake of progress. They must work together to manage and develop the conservancy, market their hunting quotas, create anti-poaching and disease control units. They will all be doomed if they fail to do this as one people. Together they must enforce orderly hunting by ensuring they all stick to their hunting quotas and rules of hunting, such as the restriction of night hunts and adherence to trophy size. The National Parks and Wildlife Management Authority must remain strict on the rules and regulations for hunting without fear or favour. The permit holders are expected to help the authority with accountability so as to ensure sustainable hunting, security to tourists and complement the authority's robust conservation efforts. We are convinced the new farmers will not find this a tall order and will definitely be up to the task, as failure to do so would spell doom for everyone involved in hunting. There is nothing really so difficult or requiring serious expertise in hunting as the white farmers wanted to portray, save for the fact they wanted to make all the money by themselves. All animals in the conservancy belong to National Parks, which seconds two officers or more to the farmers to help in management and monitoring. Hunting quotas are issued between April and November every year and farmers are expected to market their quotas overseas for buyers to come. Conservancy operators are mandated to employ professional hunters, who are then tested and certified by the National Parks, and so essentially one does not have to be a professional hunter to get a hunting permit. Anyone can be given the permit and gets on with the business as long as they adhere to the rules and regulations of hunting as stipulated by the authority. We remain optimistic that the parties will be able to co-exist and work together towards achieving orderly hunting. We now want to see more people from varying backgrounds also being allocated lots in conservancies and getting hunting permits. Faces that have benefited in other sectors must not continue to do so at the expense of others. Indeed the indigenisation and empowerment faces cannot be the same everywhere but rather they must cut across all sections of society and show a real national appeal. Indeed this development is a landmark and will without any doubt further consolidate the land reform and indigenisation programme. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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stupid bastards!!!!! DRSS | |||
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So things are shaking out. | |||
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 Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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Just got an e-mail from CM, they are having to move ALL their Hammond clients and they were booked full this year and next. That really tears your heart out. After years of hard work and thousands of dollards the gov. can come in and destroy it. | |||
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Any chance of transporting the rhinos out of there to ? before they all get poached? STAY IN THE FIGHT! | |||
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If anyone has an actual on the ground information, please send me a PM. I am working on an article about this situation and can use all of the credible information that I can get. Thanks | |||
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<http://www.thestandard.co.zw/author/thestandard/> on August 14, 2012 in *Local*<http://www.thestandard.co.zw/category/local-zimbabwe-stories/> , *News* <http://www.thestandard.co.zw/category/news/>**** *TATENDA CHITAGU* MASVINGO — Zanu PF bigwigs who grabbed formerly white-owned conservancies in Masvingo province were recently given 25-year leases and annual hunting quotas by the Parks and Wildlife Management Authority. Some of the beneficiaries have previously been accused of wantonly slaughtering game in the conservancies at the expense of sustainable conservation. Those who were given leases included Minister of Higher and Tertiary Education Stan Mudenge, Masvingo Governor Titus Maluleke, former deputy minister of Youth Shuvai Mahofa, Chiredzi North MP Ronald Ndava, Chiredzi South MP Ailess Baloyi, Livingstone Chineka and Enock Porusingazi.**** They paid US$350 for the hunting quotas licences.**** Parks and Wildlife Management Authority Director General, Vitalis Chadenga said the move came after negotiations with white owners after attempts to foster co-ownership failed. “Government spared conservancies from the fast-track land reform programme to get orderly transfer in the wildlife sector,” said Chadenga.**** “We then formulated the Wildlife-based land reform programme but we have not been successful in getting old and new conservancy owners working together, hence we are issuing these 25 year-leases to new beneficiaries,” Chadenga.**** He said the eight-year impasse between the former owners and new black farmers had left the animals in the sanctuaries at the mercy of poachers. The poachers, said Chadenga, targeted the Black Rhino.**** The 25-year leases come at a time when new owners are being accused of failing to live up to the capital intensive venture, leaving dangerous animals like lions to stray to surrounding areas of human habitation, killing cattle and posing a threat to humans Chinanga Safaris Phone : 263) 9 247021 Mobiles : 263) 712211822 & 712613613 e-mail : terryfenn@yoafrica.com Website : www.chinangasafaris.com Skype : terryfennchinanga | |||
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http://allafrica.com/stories/201208180166.html Zimbabwe: Nhema Under Fire Over Hunting Licences By Clemence Manyukwe, 16 August 2012 ENVIRONMENT and Natural Resources Management Minister Francis Nhema has come under heavy fire after sanctioning the issuance of 25-year hunting leases to perceived ZANU-PF heavyweights in defiance of recommendations by Parliament. ZANU-PF bigwigs in Masvingo Province, Stan Mudenge, Shuvai Mahofa, Titus Maluleke and other top military officials were granted the leases at Save Valley Conservancy, a prime wildlife sanctuary in the Lowveld, four months after a report by the Parliamentary Committee on Natural Resources had condemned the occupation of the conservancy. Lawmakers had denounced the selection process for beneficiaries saying it lacked transparency and was at variance with the government's thrust of indigenisation. The report said the selection process was also not consistent with the adopted selection criteria which states, for one to benefit, he or she must demonstrate interest and experience in wildlife conservation, capacity for business development and the ability to contribute to the asset base, among others. Members of Parliament had also recommended that conservancies must not be parcelled out to individuals, but rather, should benefit whole communities in the spirit of indigenisation. They said the natural resources ministry should award leases through share transfers, joint ventures and community trusts, positions that have all been disregarded in the latest scheme. "It is the committee's finding that the allocation of indigenous beneficiaries that include General Engelbert Rugeje, Hon. Sithole, Hon. Senator Hungwe, Mr. Ndava, Hon. Minister S. Mudenge, Hon. Governor T. Maluleke, Mr. Cladman Chibemene, Rtd. Lt. Col. D. Moyo, Mrs Mahofa and Mr. A. Baloyi according to the list submitted to the committee was not based on business principles," reads part of the recent committee report. "These beneficiaries were merely imposed to conservators despite assurances from the Ministry of Youth Development, Indigenisation and Empowerment that there was a transparent system in place to identify indigenous partners through the Zimbabwe Investors Authority's independent board using the databases for both foreign and local investors." The Parliamentary report said the beneficiaries of the conservancies and the existing farmers held extremely different views on the industry. "Some beneficiaries believe that they would be given shareholdings in the conservancy without investment while others perceive the value of the wildlife industry as coming from meat and not from the exportable trophies and photographic safaris. "New partners believe that the present owners should not lay claim to the wildlife as this was not paid for and that by virtue of utilisation of animals, the present owners have already received full benefit and payment and should have recouped their costs, a position strongly refuted by the conservators," added the report. Vice chairperson of the Save Valley Conservancy, Wilfried Pabst, this week described the latest development as an enrichment exercise that had nothing to do with indigenisation. "We were not consulted. Everyone, including our chairman (Bazel Nyabadza) was taken aback. It has nothing to do with indigenisation. There is a lot more going on," said Pabst. Nyabadza was evasive when contacted only saying consultations were ongoing over the latest developments and he would only comment once they were concluded. Nhema has, however, defended the exercise. "They (MPs) have not come to me. If they come I can explain to them. Everyone has his opinions on how things should be done," said Nhema, adding that there were other recommendations made prior to concerns expressed by lawmakers after their recent visit. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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And we are encouraged to lift sanctions against the Government?!?!?!? | |||
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http://www.theindependent.co.z...mulls-untwo-boycott/ EU mulls UNTWO boycott By The Independent on August 20, 2012 in News, Politics Herbert Moyo ZIMBABWE’S troubled preparations for the co-hosting of the 2013 United Nations World Tourism Organisation (UNTWO) conference with Zambia have been thrown into fresh turmoil after revelations that the European Union (EU) is considering a boycott of the Victoria Falls proceedings because of government’s violation of bilateral investment protection agreements. The threats pertain to the granting of hunting licences in the Save Conservancy to Zanu PF cronies, with government claiming this was part of wildlife-based “land reform”. Government last week issued hunting permits to 25 “indigenous farmers” who were given land in the wildlife-rich Save Valley Conservancy in the Lowveld. National Parks and Wildlife Management Authority director-general Vitalis Chadenga said this was part of government’s “wildlife-based land reform” exercise, in which beneficiaries had been allocated 25-year land leases in conservancies throughout Masvingo province. The list of beneficiaries reads like a who’s who of top Zanu PF officials in the province such as Maluleke, former Gutu South legislator Shuvai Mahofa and Higher Education minister Stanislus Mudenge. Mudenge holds the lease to a 16 507 hectare property, Senuko 2 Ranch in Chiredzi district, while Mahofa has the 5 526 hectare Savuli Ranch in the same district. The Zimbabwe Independent saw a copy of an e-mail written by Wilfried Pabst, the vice chairman of the Save Valley Conservancy and a German citizen, alleging that EU countries, particularly France and Germany, would boycott the Zimbabwean side of UNTWO proceedings due to the long-running conflict in the Save Conservancy exacerbated by the granting of the hunting licences. Pabst, who could not be drawn into discussing details of his email which suggested EU countries could boycott the UNTWO Assembly meeting in Zimbabwe, described the granting of the hunting permits as “highly illegal and criminal”. EU ambassador Aldo Dell’Ariccia stopped just short of confirming the boycott when he told the Independent a firm decision would only be made after a meeting with Environment minister Francis Nhema and his Lands and Land Resettlement counterpart, Herbert Murerwa. He however described the government’s actions as “totally unexpected from a country preparing to host such an important function connected with tourism, in addition to having bilateral agreements enjoining it to protect investments of EU nationals”. “While we respect Zimbabwe’s sovereignty, it is clear they have violated their bilateral agreements with EU member states and next week I will be engaging ministers Nhema and Mzembi because these actions are a danger to property rights and tourism,” said Dell’Ariccia on Wednesday. Speaking at a function to hand over the hunting permits at the government complex in Masvingo, Chadenga said the exercise would be carried out in other conservancies in the province and extended throughout the country. He said government would not push out white farmers as had been the case in the chaotic fast track land reform, but was merely requesting them to accommodate blacks as partners in conservancies. “After all they are also Zimbabweans and they have the skills in the conservancy business,” said Chadenga of white farmers. Speaking at the same function Masvingo governor Titus Maluleke described the handover ceremony as a “red letter day” for the province in terms of Wildlife-based land reform which he said had been stalled for the past five years due to resistance from white farmers. “For five years white farmers have been doing everything possible to resist new farmers and harvesting wildlife illegally but now a new era is beginning,” said Maluleke. Chiredzi South MP Ailess Baloyi, one of the beneficiaries at the 6 886-hectare Humani Ranch, complaining the issue of hunting licences said “our empowerment is more important than UNTWO conference.” Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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Now that is about as blatant of a statement of what is going to occur in the rest of Zimbabwe, including the Bubye, the Zambezi Valley and other hunting places of Zimbabwe as can be made: ". . .Chadenga said the exercise would be carried out in other conservancies in the province and extended throughout the country." Sounds like the final death knell for U.S. hunters for hunting in Zimbabwe. What a shame and tragedy. Cutting their own noses off to spite their faces. Deja vu as to what happened with farming and the bread basket of Southern Africa-only this time with the hunting tourist revenues. OIA | |||
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I've been trying to keep up with the recent posts here on Zimbabwe's plight... though I don't understand it all, history-wise, and especially this particular take-over of the Save...I can't help but to utter my frustration for the people of Zim as a nation and compassion for the outfitters/families that have been removed and all the great wildlife conservation efforts by particular individuals for the welfare of the Save Conservancy. Sounds like this place is DOOMED of a New Era...very sad...very, very sad! | |||
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It sounds like a bunch of propaganda and hogwash being spoken by people who do not know or just out right lies from the paper. I am not saying things are all peachy, but i certainly but no confidence in these articles. Zim is going down the tube, just another bump. I will not be detered by these rantings, i am booking. If anybody wans to dump there hunt cheap so as mot to loose any more money, send me a PM. | |||
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Brent I'm curious...I'd like to get my info correct...what makes you say such?  What have you experienced there or otherwise read...I'd like to know if you don't mind or shoot me a pm... As I mentioned in my post above I'm still trying to learn/understand what's actually going down...no pun intended. Thanks! | |||
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Bunch of Propaganda???? Two gentlemen from this Forum (Subsailor74 and Orvar) had Save hunts moved to the Valley. I met a third hunter at the Juliff shooting range (Houston) over the summer that also had his Save hunt moved to the Valley. I don't think these hunters moved their hunts due to propaganda. These tragic developments in the Save are real, unjust and long term in nature. Go Duke!! | |||
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Who has the straight skinny on Arnold Payne and his involvement in the Save takeover? We need someone with the facts to make an official complaint to SCI. I am friends with one of the vice presidents and can get it to the right people, but it must be factual. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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so you really think is a lot of hogwash??  you must be joking, right. all the names, dates, places, first hand info are BS?? Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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Brent Are you a descendent of George Custer? He also thought charging into a 'hunt" despite warnings from his scouts was the way to proceed. You are going to know just how he felt. Happy hunting, but no whining when you get clobbered. If I had a SAVE hunt I wanted to unload, I would put a bow on it and send it to Brent ASAP. Dave Fulson | |||
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I know that there have been partners assigned, though we have yet to see a list of who was assigned to where. And right now some hunts have been relocated, and that may be the case in the future. Do i think this is the end of the SVC, no i do not. The biggest thing that i find is the complete seel out on Zim we are seeing on this thread. Sure SVC is in a bad place at the moment, it may be permanent, it may not be. It sucks for us as hunters, but really sucks dor those guys who make a living at it. 3 that i spoke to not long ago and just recently are not throwing in the towel just yet. So we should not either. I do not recall anybody going over of recent and not being able to hunt somewhere. Those guys are putting stuff together to service all of thier clients, and doing a great job of it. We should continue to support them. And yes i do think what. Is in those papers is propaganda! | |||
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Sounds to me like the rest of the country is slated for "indigination" as well. Hopefully a boycott will take place. It is the only way to get the thugs attention i'm sure
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dave Fulson: Brent Are you a descendent of George Custer? He also thought charging into a 'hunt" despite warnings from his scouts was the way to proceed.  that's funny. Mom never said i was the brightest turnip on the truck! I am not sure but i might have followed ol George right in. | |||
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Harvesting wildlife illegally? Not push out the white farmers as had been the case in the fast track land reform? What do you call the Save Conservancy takeover, if not the very same thing? Ask Terry Anders about that, among others. Funny how they all had legal tags and permits from the Mugabe government to allow their hunters to hunt for the last eight years. I am sure that Will Parks and a host of others who have hunted the Save did not harvest anything "illegally". What a bunch of f-cking, black African gibberish and nonsensical statements. The tribal mentality rules in Zimbabwe again and again. OIA. | |||
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