quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Well, just for fun I'm gonna tell the story of the time Andrew "Fairgame" Baldry, Bell-Cross and myself were hunting lions in Lunga Luswishi in 2007. Now mind you, the hunt at the time cost me $48k - which to me is a considerable amount of money, so obviously I want it going as smoothly as possible.

Well a few days into the hunt we hear these guys at this 300 acre photo camp (literally - they had 300 acres, what the heck are you gonna do with that???) down river 15 miles or so have been cutting down my lion baits at that end - pissing on them, throwing diesel on them, etc. The report is the white camp manager was ordering his guys to do so - and they told our guys, etc. Well, as you can imagine - we were none to happy about that. Especially considering they were illegally entering the GMA to do so!!!!

Good heavens....I thought Baldry was gonna blow a gasket, he's jumping around like a hound shi**ing a peach seed - I mean this guy is ready for war! Of course, so am I - and Bell-Cross is his same mild mannered self. Well Baldry and I insist we head there immediately - we find this little camp manager, and we feed him to the crocs. So we load up, and off we go with my girlfriend in tow. Of course she knows my willingness for a good ole fashion punch-up, Baldry is definitely ready for a scrap too - and she's freaking out that I'm going straight to a Zambian jail, never to be heard from again!

First thing we do is go to our baits, and sure enough - they had been cut down, tampered with, destroyed, etc. So the anger has only heightened now at this point, and even Bell-Cross is racing to the photo camp like its his job! Well like the word seems to do in the bush, the camp manager got word we were coming - and he had escaped to the other side of the river literally only minutes before we arrived! As we rocked up to the camp, I literally jumped off the truck hollering like an idiot - demanding to know who messed with our baits, and ready to grab the first guy by the head who gave any acknowledgement of this "heinous" act, with Baldry right behind me - mad as a hornet, screaming the local language at the camp staff! Looking back on it, its rather hilarious now - but at the time Andrew and I really thought we were gonna sort these dudes out!

Needless to say, nothing really happened - just a lot of loud conversation (mostly us yelling at them) and heck, I don't even know if they knew what the heck I was saying or not?
Regardless they knew we were upset, so several of the camp manager's guys told our scout and Richard's boys what had happened, how they were instructed to remove our baits - and who told them to do so. We informed them not to do it again, and went on our way!

Now at the end of the day, nobody here cares...I realize that. But I just wanted to lighten the mood with a goofy story, cause I hate to see a lot of us thinking about Africa the way we do now, versus how we did 11 years ago. Hopefully we'll see light at the end of the tunnel?

And no, I did not get a lion on that hunt! It was the only lion hunt I ever did with Bell-Cross (be it my hunt or with a client) where we didn't get a lion!

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
THE FAIR CHASE HUNTER:

• Knows and obeys the law, and insists others do as well
• Understands that it is not only about just what is legal, but also what is honorable and ethical
• Defines "unfair advantage" as when the game does not have reasonable chance of escape
• Cares about and respects all wildlife and the ecosystems that support them, which includes making full use of game animals taken
• Measures success not in the quantity of game taken, but by the quality of the chase
• Embraces the "no guarantees" nature of hunting
• Uses technology in a way that does not diminish the importance of developing skills as a hunter or reduces hunting to just shooting
• Knows his or her limitations, and stretches the stalk not the shot
• Takes pride in the decisions he or she makes in the field and takes full responsibility for his or her actions

[Boone and Crockett Club Principles of Fair Chase]

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by The Norwegian:
And the american hunters should get rid of organizations like SCI and NRA... they are just digging their own grave and Ours in the long run.

Or at least make them change some focus ...

No offend meant to anyone, but I do not see these two organizations do any good in an international perspecive..

The US hunters should also urge US organzations to work closer with Cites...


Morten

Morten - The NRA was never intended to be an international organization...period! The NRA - with its 5 million members is here to "protect / fight for" the rights of all U.S. citizens to keep and bear arms! The last thing any responsible, gun owning American would ever want is to abolish the NRA....ever! Unfortunately you get too much liberal / biased media in Europe, rather than the truth / facts.

We as Americans live with the greatest "freedoms" in the world, because of organizations like the NRA. I will never denounce the NRA, its intentions, or their continued good work. We Americans don't allow our government to trounce upon or rights / freedoms, and organizations like the NRA are here to ensure those rights are protected for generations to come.

No offense taken of course....but those who don't know / understand the freedoms we have here, will never understand why we Americans are so willing to fight to keep them! Freedom is never "FREE"!

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by The Norwegian:
And the american hunters should get rid of organizations like SCI and NRA... they are just digging their own grave and Ours in the long run.

Or at least make them change some focus ...

No offend meant to anyone, but I do not see these two organizations do any good in an international perspecive..

The US hunters should also urge US organzations to work closer with Cites...


Morten

Morten - The NRA was never intended to be an international organization...period! The NRA - with its 5 million members is here to "protect / fight for" the rights of all U.S. citizens to keep and bear arms! The last thing any responsible, gun owning American would ever want is to abolish the NRA....ever! Unfortunately you get too much liberal / biased media in Europe, rather than the truth / facts.

We as Americans live with the greatest "freedoms" in the world, because of organizations like the NRA. I will never denounce the NRA, its intentions, or their continued good work. We Americans don't allow our government to trounce upon or rights / freedoms, and organizations like the NRA are here to ensure those rights are protected for generations to come.

No offense taken of course....but those who don't know / understand the freedoms we have here, will never understand why we Americans are so willing to fight to keep them! Freedom is never "FREE"!

quote:

Originally posted by The Norwegian:

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by The Norwegian:
And the american hunters should get rid of organizations like SCI and NRA... they are just digging their own grave and Ours in the long run.

Or at least make them change some focus ...

No offend meant to anyone, but I do not see these two organizations do any good in an international perspecive..

The US hunters should also urge US organzations to work closer with Cites...


Morten

Morten - The NRA was never intended to be an international organization...period! The NRA - with its 5 million members is here to "protect / fight for" the rights of all U.S. citizens to keep and bear arms! The last thing any responsible, gun owning American would ever want is to abolish the NRA....ever! Unfortunately you get too much liberal / biased media in Europe, rather than the truth / facts.

We as Americans live with the greatest "freedoms" in the world, because of organizations like the NRA. I will never denounce the NRA, its intentions, or their continued good work. We Americans don't allow our government to trounce upon or rights / freedoms, and organizations like the NRA are here to ensure those rights are protected for generations to come.

No offense taken of course....but those who don't know / understand the freedoms we have here, will never understand why we Americans are so willing to fight to keep them! Freedom is never "FREE"!

Aaron,

I understand your point and of course we do not know all history or details in the US. At the same time we have a lots of guns in our country and in Europe in general. We also have our freedom. My point is what have been said here in this thread - there are new times: New generations are growing up. New way of thinking- New way of looking at us hunters and weapon owners. I am sure that future will not be like past. Sustainable goals must be adapted. I am not sure that SCI and NRA can be the same in future... but you US guys have to solve that. However, I am pretty convinced that even though NRA ( ans SCI ) is an American organization, their behaviour, statements etc will influence the international opinion in some way.


Morten


Morten

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
THE FAIR CHASE HUNTER:

• Knows and obeys the law, and insists others do as well
• Understands that it is not only about just what is legal, but also what is honorable and ethical
• Defines "unfair advantage" as when the game does not have reasonable chance of escape
• Cares about and respects all wildlife and the ecosystems that support them, which includes making full use of game animals taken
• Measures success not in the quantity of game taken, but by the quality of the chase
• Embraces the "no guarantees" nature of hunting
• Uses technology in a way that does not diminish the importance of developing skills as a hunter or reduces hunting to just shooting
• Knows his or her limitations, and stretches the stalk not the shot
• Takes pride in the decisions he or she makes in the field and takes full responsibility for his or her actions

[Boone and Crockett Club Principles of Fair Chase]

Well I for one embrace those criteria wholeheartedly...as I am sure the vast majority here do as well.

I will even go as far to say that when I book a hunt...those criteria are used in my decision making process.

Here is the tough part though...how do we go from just all agreeing that they are good...to using them to advance our agenda: hunting as conservation?

quote:

Originally posted by SafariSean:
Part of the fun was once sending telegrams or waiting months for mail to be exchanged with operators in Africa. The whole process of organizing a hunt was at least half the fun!!

Then everything changed with the internet revolution, it changed how hunters shop, do research and the unfortunate side effect that is gave the antis an easy way to find and attack the sport. I have posted some politically loaded threads here and have no regrets but to be honest nothing has really changed for the good we are as a whole GUTLESS in defense of our sport. In 2015 I offered EVERY respectable club, writer and TV Show I could reach out to a FREE 2016 Gwiaa Lion hunt with the only requirement being that the hunt be chronicled for public education and clearly show the entire process. Starting with arrival at the airport, the trip to the parks office, the introduction of the game scout etc. so that we could demonstrate that African hunting is the most controlled regulated hunting done anywhere and guess what NO NADDA NOTHING no one and that included an offer to one of the very big clubs that has their own TV show to let them place THIER signs on MY trucks allowing them to take full credit and all I ever heard was crickets. AR is an awesome forum and I don't want to be the constant Debbie downer but this whole hunting thing is going just as fast as libraries, news papers and pay phones. By the time the liberal antis figure out that we were right all along (how they ignore Kenya as an example now is beyond me) it will simply be too late.

So go hunting NOW shoot the s**t out of any ele you can afford, whack a Leopard before they are banned, kill a giraffe just so it irritates some dummy sitting on his futon in Boston, do what you can NOW because soon all that will be left is a bunch of old guys lamenting the day when we could hunt and roam the extinct wilds of Africa.

I hope that the North American hunting groups take notice of how this has all gone down because to think that the BILLIONS of $$ HSA, PETA, 96ELE, Born Free have to work with and have spent in Africa because it was an easy target and an easy win wont be pointed back here (look at the BC Griz ban) would be a severe miscalculation.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
THE FAIR CHASE HUNTER:

• Knows and obeys the law, and insists others do as well
• Understands that it is not only about just what is legal, but also what is honorable and ethical
• Defines "unfair advantage" as when the game does not have reasonable chance of escape
• Cares about and respects all wildlife and the ecosystems that support them, which includes making full use of game animals taken
• Measures success not in the quantity of game taken, but by the quality of the chase
• Embraces the "no guarantees" nature of hunting
• Uses technology in a way that does not diminish the importance of developing skills as a hunter or reduces hunting to just shooting
• Knows his or her limitations, and stretches the stalk not the shot
• Takes pride in the decisions he or she makes in the field and takes full responsibility for his or her actions

[Boone and Crockett Club Principles of Fair Chase]

Well I for one embrace those criteria wholeheartedly...as I am sure the vast majority here do as well.

I will even go as far to say that when I book a hunt...those criteria are used in my decision making process.

Here is the tough part though...how do we go from just all agreeing that they are good...to using them to advance our agenda: hunting as conservation?

A start would be for (i) reputable organizations like SCI and DSC to adopt similar principles and make them guiding principles for what the organizations and their members stand for, (ii) for those organizations and hunters to call out actions and practices that are inconsistent with those principles and condemn such actions and practices, and (iii) to make it clear to the public that those are the principles that we hold ourselves accountable by and that they should judge our conduct by as hunters.

quote:

So go hunting NOW shoot the s**t out of any ele you can afford, whack a Leopard before they are banned, kill a giraffe just so it irritates some dummy sitting on his futon in Boston, do what you can NOW because soon all that will be left is a bunch of old guys lamenting the day when we could hunt and roam the extinct wilds of Africa.

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

So go hunting NOW shoot the s**t out of any ele you can afford, whack a Leopard before they are banned, kill a giraffe just so it irritates some dummy sitting on his futon in Boston, do what you can NOW because soon all that will be left is a bunch of old guys lamenting the day when we could hunt and roam the extinct wilds of Africa.

And you wonder where the anti hunting fraternity gets their ammunition from?

I am not sure about you brother.

quote:

Originally posted by The Norwegian:

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by The Norwegian:
And the american hunters should get rid of organizations like SCI and NRA... they are just digging their own grave and Ours in the long run.

Or at least make them change some focus ...

No offend meant to anyone, but I do not see these two organizations do any good in an international perspecive..

The US hunters should also urge US organzations to work closer with Cites...


Morten

Morten - The NRA was never intended to be an international organization...period! The NRA - with its 5 million members is here to "protect / fight for" the rights of all U.S. citizens to keep and bear arms! The last thing any responsible, gun owning American would ever want is to abolish the NRA....ever! Unfortunately you get too much liberal / biased media in Europe, rather than the truth / facts.

We as Americans live with the greatest "freedoms" in the world, because of organizations like the NRA. I will never denounce the NRA, its intentions, or their continued good work. We Americans don't allow our government to trounce upon or rights / freedoms, and organizations like the NRA are here to ensure those rights are protected for generations to come.

No offense taken of course....but those who don't know / understand the freedoms we have here, will never understand why we Americans are so willing to fight to keep them! Freedom is never "FREE"!

Aaron,

I understand your point and of course we do not know all history or details in the US. At the same time we have a lots of guns in our country and in Europe in general. We also have our freedom. My point is what have been said here in this thread - there are new times: New generations are growing up. New way of thinking- New way of looking at us hunters and weapon owners. I am sure that future will not be like past. Sustainable goals must be adapted. I am not sure that SCI and NRA can be the same in future... but you US guys have to solve that. However, I am pretty convinced that even though NRA ( ans SCI ) is an American organization, their behaviour, statements etc will influence the international opinion in some way.


Morten


Morten

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

So go hunting NOW shoot the s**t out of any ele you can afford, whack a Leopard before they are banned, kill a giraffe just so it irritates some dummy sitting on his futon in Boston, do what you can NOW because soon all that will be left is a bunch of old guys lamenting the day when we could hunt and roam the extinct wilds of Africa.

And you wonder where the anti hunting fraternity gets their ammunition from?

I am not sure about you brother.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
I support the effort although I think if an organization is going to walk the talk, that would mean taking a serious look at what "hunts" they allow to be booked at their convention, what outfitters are allowed to be members, etc. Given those economic implications you wonder what sort of reception one might get. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Maybe some of the SCI and DSC folks that participate on AR would be willing to weigh in, perhaps by PM (without attribution) if more appropriate, on the prospects of something like that coming to fruition.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
I support the effort although I think if an organization is going to walk the talk, that would mean taking a serious look at what "hunts" they allow to be booked at their convention, what outfitters are allowed to be members, etc. Given those economic implications you wonder what sort of reception one might get. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Maybe some of the SCI and DSC folks that participate on AR would be willing to weigh in, perhaps by PM (without attribution) if more appropriate, on the prospects of something like that coming to fruition.

quote:

Originally posted by MikeBurke:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
I support the effort although I think if an organization is going to walk the talk, that would mean taking a serious look at what "hunts" they allow to be booked at their convention, what outfitters are allowed to be members, etc. Given those economic implications you wonder what sort of reception one might get. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Maybe some of the SCI and DSC folks that participate on AR would be willing to weigh in, perhaps by PM (without attribution) if more appropriate, on the prospects of something like that coming to fruition.

Dr. Easter reminded us about SCI not adopting the shootable male lion. From a post on Africa Hunting President Paul Babaz still stands by that decision.

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by MikeBurke:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
I support the effort although I think if an organization is going to walk the talk, that would mean taking a serious look at what "hunts" they allow to be booked at their convention, what outfitters are allowed to be members, etc. Given those economic implications you wonder what sort of reception one might get. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Maybe some of the SCI and DSC folks that participate on AR would be willing to weigh in, perhaps by PM (without attribution) if more appropriate, on the prospects of something like that coming to fruition.

Dr. Easter reminded us about SCI not adopting the shootable male lion. From a post on Africa Hunting President Paul Babaz still stands by that decision.

Sir, you hit the nail on the head! This was SCI's single most devastating decision they ever made to / for the hunting community IMO. It is / was simply a guideline, not a "law", not a mandatory requirement of any kind, simply a guideline. One which showed the USFWS a concerted effort on behalf of the biggest hunting organization in the world, was willing to support conservation minded lion hunting practices....nothing more. But since DSC was first to adopt it (along with over 100 PH's, outfitters and agents) they turned their nose up at it, and rejected it. To this day, neither myself, Lane Easter or anyone I know of - has ever seen a legitimate reason for doing so? IMO it was personal, and nothing more.

quote:

• Knows and obeys the law, and insists others do as well
• Understands that it is not only about just what is legal, but also what is honorable and ethical
• Defines "unfair advantage" as when the game does not have reasonable chance of escape
• Cares about and respects all wildlife and the ecosystems that support them, which includes making full use of game animals taken
• Measures success not in the quantity of game taken, but by the quality of the chase
• Embraces the "no guarantees" nature of hunting
• Uses technology in a way that does not diminish the importance of developing skills as a hunter or reduces hunting to just shooting
• Knows his or her limitations, and stretches the stalk not the shot
• Takes pride in the decisions he or she makes in the field and takes full responsibility for his or her actions

quote:

• Understands that it is not only about just what is legal, but also what is honorable and ethical

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
I support the effort although I think if an organization is going to walk the talk, that would mean taking a serious look at what "hunts" they allow to be booked at their convention, what outfitters are allowed to be members, etc. Given those economic implications you wonder what sort of reception one might get. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Maybe some of the SCI and DSC folks that participate on AR would be willing to weigh in, perhaps by PM (without attribution) if more appropriate, on the prospects of something like that coming to fruition.

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by The Norwegian:

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by The Norwegian:
And the american hunters should get rid of organizations like SCI and NRA... they are just digging their own grave and Ours in the long run.

Or at least make them change some focus ...

No offend meant to anyone, but I do not see these two organizations do any good in an international perspecive..

The US hunters should also urge US organzations to work closer with Cites...


Morten

Morten - The NRA was never intended to be an international organization...period! The NRA - with its 5 million members is here to "protect / fight for" the rights of all U.S. citizens to keep and bear arms! The last thing any responsible, gun owning American would ever want is to abolish the NRA....ever! Unfortunately you get too much liberal / biased media in Europe, rather than the truth / facts.

We as Americans live with the greatest "freedoms" in the world, because of organizations like the NRA. I will never denounce the NRA, its intentions, or their continued good work. We Americans don't allow our government to trounce upon or rights / freedoms, and organizations like the NRA are here to ensure those rights are protected for generations to come.

No offense taken of course....but those who don't know / understand the freedoms we have here, will never understand why we Americans are so willing to fight to keep them! Freedom is never "FREE"!

Aaron,

I understand your point and of course we do not know all history or details in the US. At the same time we have a lots of guns in our country and in Europe in general. We also have our freedom. My point is what have been said here in this thread - there are new times: New generations are growing up. New way of thinking- New way of looking at us hunters and weapon owners. I am sure that future will not be like past. Sustainable goals must be adapted. I am not sure that SCI and NRA can be the same in future... but you US guys have to solve that. However, I am pretty convinced that even though NRA ( ans SCI ) is an American organization, their behaviour, statements etc will influence the international opinion in some way.


Morten


Morten

Morten - At the end of the day, America cannot force their rights, beliefs, or opinions on other nations around the world! Frankly, whether other nations like / dislike the NRA or our "American" stance on firearms means nothing to me! As an American, with a 2nd amendment "right" to keep / bear arms, I will fight for that right - to the DEATH if necessary. I'll never give up my guns, my right to own them, or my right to protect me / my family from a tyrannical govt. If the govt wants my guns, they can pry them from my cold / dead hands!

I've been to Europe with guns, I've been all around the world with guns - it shocks me as an American, the position folks have on guns? France is the worst......good heavens just the check-in people at Air France were literally shit scared of my guns - in the case.....are you kidding me? A gun is no different than a hammer - its only harmful if someone chooses to use it as such!

The rest of the world has continued down a liberal path, and we all see where that has gotten Germany, France, etc, etc. We here in America are not willing to let that happen, despite what the "world" thinks of the NRA, etc. I for one will never accept a "worldly" goal of dis-armament of the population, for the "good" of the world. History throughout the world has proven that's a really bad idea!

SCI as a hunting organization has made a lot of really bad moves IMO....moves that have been for their benefit and not that of the hunter / sportsman! Ego and self preservation has been more important to them than their "First for Hunters" motto. But I personally would never lump them in the same category as the NRA - of which I am a proud life-member!!

quote:

Originally posted by MikeBurke:
While we may have different opinions about ethics, conservation practices, etc the ultimate goal is to preserve our hunting heritage.

There are people like Aaron and Dr. Easter that put the heart and soul in to saving the lion and lion hunting. Larryshores and mjines have put time and money in preserving our hunting heritage as have many others.

Somebody like Paul Babaz must put his life on hold to spend the amount of time required to be President of SCI and everything that goes with it. He is doing what he believes is best for all hunters even if we (I) do not agree with everything. I could never participate to the level he does.

So to Paul and everybody else that works to preserve our heritage thank you!!

To those who just like to bitch and complain, get off the keyboard and do something that makes a difference. And that is not directed at any one person, but I am sure somebody with a guilty conscience will speak up.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
I support the effort although I think if an organization is going to walk the talk, that would mean taking a serious look at what "hunts" they allow to be booked at their convention, what outfitters are allowed to be members, etc. Given those economic implications you wonder what sort of reception one might get. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Maybe some of the SCI and DSC folks that participate on AR would be willing to weigh in, perhaps by PM (without attribution) if more appropriate, on the prospects of something like that coming to fruition.

Mike,
I 100% agree with what you are referencing here.

quote:

Originally posted by The Norwegian:
And the american hunters should get rid of organizations like SCI and NRA... they are just digging their own grave and Ours in the long run.

Or at least make them change some focus ...

No offend meant to anyone, but I do not see these two organizations do any good in an international perspecive..

The US hunters should also urge US organzations to work closer with Cites...


Morten

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

So go hunting NOW shoot the s**t out of any ele you can afford, whack a Leopard before they are banned, kill a giraffe just so it irritates some dummy sitting on his futon in Boston, do what you can NOW because soon all that will be left is a bunch of old guys lamenting the day when we could hunt and roam the extinct wilds of Africa.

And you wonder where the anti hunting fraternity gets their ammunition from?

I am not sure about you brother.

Andrew - I surely see your point, and its well taken of course. Perhaps the poster could have used better wording, but his message remains. I've told clients this for several years now - if you want to hunt Africa, do it NOW - before the opportunity is gone!!!

quote:

Originally posted by fulvio:
I didn't realize there were so many Freemasons on this site: Aaron, CHC, Bwanamich, Butler and Fairgame himself.

quote:

I didn't realize there were so many Freemasons on this site: Aaron, CHC, Bwanamich, Butler and Fairgame himself.

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

So go hunting NOW shoot the s**t out of any ele you can afford, whack a Leopard before they are banned, kill a giraffe just so it irritates some dummy sitting on his futon in Boston, do what you can NOW because soon all that will be left is a bunch of old guys lamenting the day when we could hunt and roam the extinct wilds of Africa.

And you wonder where the anti hunting fraternity gets their ammunition from?

I am not sure about you brother.

Andrew - I surely see your point, and its well taken of course. Perhaps the poster could have used better wording, but his message remains. I've told clients this for several years now - if you want to hunt Africa, do it NOW - before the opportunity is gone!!!

Brother Aaron You have been saying this for a number of years my friend.

We are not responsible for the demise of wildlife outside of our boundaries. Africa's wildlife is now very much confined to the vast hunting concessions and Parks. I see a movement that now recognises these havens and is starting to accept the presence of legal and responsible hunting and more importantly the communal landlords. Currently there is no model that can instantly replace us without impacting on communities and their lands. The same communities are realising the worth of their wildlife estates as wild Africa crumbles around them.

It is these people these Africans who now remain with some of the most desirable lands on earth and ultimately it is they who will dictate policy and if hunting is deemed a worthy and profitable activity then it will stay.

It is all up to us to prove this worth and the expansive conglomerates of SCI and DCS would do well to attach themselves to every single community in Africa whose lands are utilised in hunting. Make a difference here and this is a starting block.

In addition the likes of SCI should be proactive in discussions with our Government leaders who are probably not aware or simply cannot implement solutions to address the wildlife crisis?

It is not what we should have done but rather what shall we do.

And Crazyhorse you are welcome to use that line anytime you want my brother.