Looks like the outbreak is turning the corner and new cases are declining. Of course, no new cases here.

So much for the mutant, airborne Ebola outbreak of 2014.

I'm headed back to Africa next week to celebrate.

American Airlines on its call said no impact of EBOLA on bookings.

I think EBOLA will have minimal impact on US travel and US economy but safari business in Africa not just west Africa will significantly impacted in 2015.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/...ola-danger-zone.html

Mike

First verified Ebola case in NYC. Physician from Doctor's without Borders (good people) came up with symptoms ten days after returning to U.S. Hope he gets well and there are no further cases.

The latest case highlights the issue. The main risk category to US is from medical personnel who have been in contact with Ebola patients.


I am truly surprised and perplexed by a doctor who goes to Africa at great personal risk to treat Ebola patient does not on coming back quarantine himself for 3 weeks to make sure he is not infected.

Maybe 3 weeks of denying the liberties of NYC is too much.

Mike

Actually he did. And recognized the symptoms and was transported by a HAZMAT team. He did everything right.

So far he gets and A++

ACTUALLY HE DIDN'T

unless you consider bowling in public self-quarantining....

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Originally posted by Opus1:
Actually he did. And recognized the symptoms and was transported by a HAZMAT team. He did everything right.

So far he gets and A++

A doctor, brings one of the most feared virus's from a third world shithole, to one of the most populace cities in the entire world and you give him a thumbs up?

Words escape me.

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Originally posted by Opus1:
Actually he did. And recognized the symptoms and was transported by a HAZMAT team. He did everything right.

So far he gets and A++

No he did not.

He should have quarantined himself on arrival.

Tired of this do good BS and this doctor superiority.

An A++ would be going to Africa to help people, risking his life to help people and them coming back to the US knowing that he is a high risk person and quarantine himself for the time period to make sure he is not infected.

Look I am not asking for flights to Africa to be suspended, everyone who has been to Africa to be quarantined or anything stupid like that.

But a high risk personal who has been in contact with Ebola patients should have the basic social courtesy to not come back go on NYC subway or bowling or other fine activities. Just stay quarantined you know you are high risk. The trade off to be allowed to go to help Ebola patients is a basic understanding that you take the risk of being infected and to prevent spread of the diseases in another geographic area.

A take off for 3 weeks of quarantine, sure beats Obama Ebola czar trying to find every person on a NYC subway or a bowling lane.

Just my worthless opinion. But I bet you get 2-3 more cases of doctors going to Africa to help ebola patients and then running around NYC or any US city without quarantine and getting ebola. US public will put enough pressure on politicians to stop all assistance in form of US medical personal from going to help people in Africa.

Mike

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10...-york-city.html?_r=0

Kind of confirms the old saying - "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Got back to the country Oct 14th - working with ebola patients. He can figure out a way to kill 3 weeks in quarantine. Its not the end of the world to ask medical professional who go over to Africa to work with ebola patients to be subject to a quarantine.

Mike

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

quote:

Originally posted by Opus1:
Actually he did. And recognized the symptoms and was transported by a HAZMAT team. He did everything right.

So far he gets and A++

No he did not.

He should have quarantined himself on arrival.

Tired of this do good BS and this doctor superiority.

An A++ would be going to Africa to help people, risking his life to help people and them coming back to the US knowing that he is a high risk person and quarantine himself for the time period to make sure he is not infected.

Look I am not asking for flights to Africa to be suspended, everyone who has been to Africa to be quarantined or anything stupid like that.

But a high risk personal who has been in contact with Ebola patients should have the basic social courtesy to not come back go on NYC subway or bowling or other fine activities. Just stay quarantined you know you are high risk. The trade off to be allowed to go to help Ebola patients is a basic understanding that you take the risk of being infected and to prevent spread of the diseases in another geographic area.

A take off for 3 weeks of quarantine, sure beats Obama Ebola czar trying to find every person on a NYC subway or a bowling lane.

Just my worthless opinion. But I bet you get 2-3 more cases of doctors going to Africa to help ebola patients and then running around NYC or any US city without quarantine and getting ebola. US public will put enough pressure on politicians to stop all assistance in form of US medical personal from going to help people in Africa.

Mike

You are dead right my friend.

Didn't some doctors in Europe bring ebola back home??

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

quote:

Originally posted by Opus1:
Actually he did. And recognized the symptoms and was transported by a HAZMAT team. He did everything right.

So far he gets and A++

No he did not.

He should have quarantined himself on arrival.

Tired of this do good BS and this doctor superiority.

An A++ would be going to Africa to help people, risking his life to help people and them coming back to the US knowing that he is a high risk person and quarantine himself for the time period to make sure he is not infected.

Look I am not asking for flights to Africa to be suspended, everyone who has been to Africa to be quarantined or anything stupid like that.

But a high risk personal who has been in contact with Ebola patients should have the basic social courtesy to not come back go on NYC subway or bowling or other fine activities. Just stay quarantined you know you are high risk. The trade off to be allowed to go to help Ebola patients is a basic understanding that you take the risk of being infected and to prevent spread of the diseases in another geographic area.

A take off for 3 weeks of quarantine, sure beats Obama Ebola czar trying to find every person on a NYC subway or a bowling lane.

Just my worthless opinion. But I bet you get 2-3 more cases of doctors going to Africa to help ebola patients and then running around NYC or any US city without quarantine and getting ebola. US public will put enough pressure on politicians to stop all assistance in form of US medical personal from going to help people in Africa.

Mike

You are dead right my friend.

Didn't some doctors in Europe bring ebola back home??

Its plain arrogance and incompetence.

We know this disease is not the end of the world plague. Its contagious when the patient is normally very sick (so no need to worry about some Al Qaeda guy trying to weaponize it - the suicide patient would be too sick to effectively spread it).

The main pool of people who can be infected are people around sick patients. Its solution is simple quarantine.

Its control is simple.

The problem is sensational media and arrogant medical professionals. Just a simple quarantine solves this risk.

People should listen to the airline earnings calls - these companies have laid out the risk of contracting ebola on a plane - its close to zero. I would be more worried about a plane crashing than getting ebola on plane.

What I find beyond rational comprehension in highly educated medical professionals who have gone to help ebola patients and know the risk of the disease behave irrationally by not quarantining themselves.

Its all about this holier than thou attitude you see in many professions - doctors, lawyers, hedge fund managers, professional hunters. The risk they specialize in dealing with somehow does not apply to them.

Saeed - I like the Emirates Airlines approach - just cancel flights to West Africa. Its not about risk management - its about public perception.

Here we are doing neither public perception or public risk management. It simple political circus - with media, politicians and companies running around.

Buy some airline equities on ebola news - $80 dollar oil, reduced capacity and strong us consumer (he may not be hunting africa in 2015) can make some money on the ebola scare.

Mike

The doctor is not/was not infectious during the incubation cycle. At the time he began running a fever he notified HAZMAT and quarantined himself.

He did everything right and most probably did not infect anyone else. We will see in 21 days.

.

Errors take place in all human activity. Unless you are Moses, Jesus or Mohammad you will make errors/mistakes in human activity.

What are the simple measures to stop the impact of the errors. For Ebola it is relatively simple - we know the point at which it is contagious and the people most likely to be contagious. Why not focus on this sub group?

A doctor working in West Africa with dying Ebola patients is a high risk person. A simple solution would be self quarantine for 21 days on coming to US (a clean zone).

Why have all this risk of finding out if anyone was infected in 21 days ect and if he caught his infection in time. A simple solution is he has been dealing with ebola at its high risk point in Africa. Come back to US and find a nice place to relax by yourself for 21 days in quarantine. Its not like there are 25K US doctors right now in West Africa that you have to built this massive quarantine facility for.

I want to see Doctors without Borders trying to do a mail campaign to fund raise (they do send nice mailing labels) when their doctors are coming back to the US as ebola carriers. This is brand damaging.

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by Opus1:
The doctor is not/was not infectious during the incubation cycle. At the time he began running a fever he notified HAZMAT and quarantined himself.

He did everything right and most probably did not infect anyone else. We will see in 21 days.

.

Let's see....arrive back into the states from treating ebola patients. Follow Doctors Without Borders guidelines and "self-isolate" EXCEPT within 10 days or so, on a Tuesday, he feels fatigue and exhaustion yet uses mass transit multiple times and stops to eat at an Italian hero shop,,
The next day, Wednesday he is still reported to feel fatigue and exhaustion (but no fever) and travels again to bowl and visit a park.
Thursday am, he self monitors, detects a temperature and notifies FDNY.
Fear not dear public, Opus1 has assured us he did everything right for he PROBABLY did not infect anyone else. How comforting.

Not to mention exchanging bodily fluids with his finance. I am guessing that, but that would be the first thing I would do after being away so long .

Words escape me, except for the profane which I just deleted.
PC is no good.
Shut down air travel from West Africa to the U.S.A. except to Ellis Island, NY for a 42-day quarantine.

Since the Federal Government is not stepping up New York and New Jersey Governors have. New policy that if you arrive from Ebola areas and were a caregiver you are quarantined.

Woman in isolation with fever after Newark landing; NY, NJ announce new Ebola quarantine policy

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:
Since the Federal Government is not stepping up New York and New Jersey Governors have. New policy that if you arrive from Ebola areas and were a caregiver you are quarantined.

Woman in isolation with fever after Newark landing; NY, NJ announce new Ebola quarantine policy

It is amazing how incompetent the federal government !!!!

I am also a little surprised that US business like Delta are still flying to Nigeria.

The right thing to do from a corporate PR perspective is to cancel flights to West Africa like Emirates did.

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:
Since the Federal Government is not stepping up New York and New Jersey Governors have. New policy that if you arrive from Ebola areas and were a caregiver you are quarantined.

Woman in isolation with fever after Newark landing; NY, NJ announce new Ebola quarantine policy

It is amazing how incompetent the federal government !!!!

I am also a little surprised that US business like Delta are still flying to Nigeria.

The right thing to do from a corporate PR perspective is to cancel flights to West Africa like Emirates did.

Mike

A travel ban is common sense. There was a petition to cancel all commercial flights to and from West Africa, but it was removed from the White House web site.

Since December 2013 exactly two individuals have traveled to the US carrying Ebola. Out of millions of passengers entering our ports and airports, two people infected with Ebola have entered our country on commercial flights. Exactly 0 individuals that had direct and/or casual contact with these individuals have contracted the illness. Only two health care workers out of hundreds have contracted the illness. And so far, every one who has had proper and timely medical intervention has survived.

So knowing all that, folks want to shut down all flights from West Africa to the US. And then for how long? Ebola is not going away. It is not suddenly going to evaporate off the planet. It has been in our lexicon since the 1970's and probably existed long before that and we will see outbreaks occurring more frequently and more wide spread in the future as the population swells in Equatorial Africa.

So just exactly how long to you keep the embargo up? And then what about all the other European and southern Africa travel routes? Want to stop them as well? Its not terribly difficult to get from West Africa to another port of entry. Hell, its not very difficult to fly to Mexico City, grab a bus to the border, walk 100 yards and presto they're in our country. Thousands seem do it every day with no problem whatsoever.

While all the knee jerk ideas sound really effective, when you actually consider how amazingly easy it is for communicable diseases to spread, they don't make a whole lot of sense. And that's the reason why no one with any real understanding of epidemiology is calling for a ban. But if it makes everyone feel all warm and fuzzy, go for it. It is an election year after all. This is the ONLY time of the year that any politician will listen to We the People...

Good luck with all that

First, let me go on and say I am not a Doctor of medicine.

That being said, from all the information I have read Ebola is contagious through transmission of bodily fluids ONCE the person starts showing symptoms.

Idiots like Christie calling the nurse in NJ sick just because she was there (she tested negative twice) and imposing a quarantine is the same mindset that led to the concentration camps of people of Japanese origin in CA during WWII.

Sometimes it amazes me how prone we are to panic, and how little we pay attention to science.

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Originally posted by tanks:

Idiots like Christie calling the nurse in NJ sick just because she was there (she tested negative twice) and imposing a quarantine is the same mindset that led to the concentration camps of people of Japanese origin in CA during WWII.

Speaking of these camps. We had them in Australia too - for good reason. Many of the people would be safer inside the camps than outside!!

"Looks like the outbreak is turning the corner and new cases are declining. Of course, no new cases here.

So much for the mutant, airborne Ebola outbreak of 2014.

I'm headed back to Africa next week to celebrate"


Huh?
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/...c-for-ebola-testing/

http://english.alarabiya.net/e...ed-Ebola-virus-.html

and finally,

http://www.thelancet.com/journ...(14)70995-8/fulltext


"We expect that allocating 4800 additional beds at EVD treatment centres and increasing case ascertainment five-fold in November, 2014, can avert 77 312 (95% CI 68 400—85 870) cases of EVD relative to the status quo by Dec 15, 2014. Complementing these measures with protective kit allocation raises the expectation as high as 97 940 (90 096—105 606) EVD cases."

In other words, if 4800 beds are made available, case ascertainment increased 5 fold, and more protective gear made available, 97,000 lives will be saved by Dec 15.

Does this sound like the outbreak is "turning the corner"?

I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS!

"State Department plans to bring foreign Ebola patients to US'

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
... Speaking of these camps. We had them in Australia too - for good reason. Many of the people would be safer inside the camps than outside!!

Well, if our society is such that we have to incarcerate people different from us and confiscate their properties in order to "protect" them. Then, shame on us.

quote:

Originally posted by tanks:

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:
... Speaking of these camps. We had them in Australia too - for good reason. Many of the people would be safer inside the camps than outside!!

Well, if our society is such that we have to incarcerate people different from us and confiscate their properties in order to "protect" them. Then, shame on us.

Crazy things happen during World Wars! I hear...

Well I'm ready for the Ebola Zombies. We have 10,000 rounds of ammo, 20 plus rifles/pistols, plenty of food and a place up in the mountains. I do have a question however ...

The scare-mongering over ebola is political, not based on any science, and is promulgated by the same anti-science crowd as most ignorance-based nonsense.

More Americans have already been killed this year by falling trees than will be killed this year and next by ebola.

quote:

Originally posted by Jefffive:
The scare-mongering over ebola is political, not based on any science, and is promulgated by the same anti-science crowd as most ignorance-based nonsense...

It seems to cross the political spectrum as both NJ and NY put the quarantines in place.

Please excuse me if this has been discussed already.

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but what I have read makes me wonder what all the media coverage on ebola will do to attendance at the SCI and DSC hunting shows.

I no longer attend them, but the ebola scare would make me think twice before booking flights and a room.

Bill Quimby

quote:

Originally posted by billrquimby:

I no longer attend them, but the ebola scare would make me think twice before booking flights and a room.

Please don't invoke this evil spirit Bill!!!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by billrquimby:
Please excuse me if this has been discussed already.

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but what I have read makes me wonder what all the media coverage on ebola will do to attendance at the SCI and DSC hunting shows.

I no longer attend them, but the ebola scare would make me think twice before booking flights and a room.

Bill Quimby

if potential attendees are scared enough to stay home because of Ebola, then they should stay home. if an irrational fear runs one's life, it's a sad state of affairs. i flew through Dallas 5 days ago and spent 4 hours in the Admiral's Club at DFW. no one in the airport was wearing masks, avoiding touching sink handles in the bathrooms or exhibiting any usual behavior. low convention attendance would be a tragedy considering the major purpose is fund raising.

quote:

Originally posted by billrquimby:
Please excuse me if this has been discussed already.

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but what I have read makes me wonder what all the media coverage on ebola will do to attendance at the SCI and DSC hunting shows.

I no longer attend them, but the ebola scare would make me think twice before booking flights and a room.

Bill Quimby

You're joking right?

quote:

Originally posted by billrquimby:
Please excuse me if this has been discussed already.

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but what I have read makes me wonder what all the media coverage on ebola will do to attendance at the SCI and DSC hunting shows.

I no longer attend them, but the ebola scare would make me think twice before booking flights and a room.

Bill Quimby

Bill , I'm speechless..........

I didn't mean to launch a hailstorm.

I was just wondering out loud how all the media coverage will affect attendance at the shows. My best guess -- after realizing that I personally would need to give some thought about going -- is that attendance will be down significantly.

Guess we'll have to see what happens. For the sake of all involved, I hope I'm wrong.

Bill Quimby

My guess is, there wont be much difference in attendance. Obviously the west african sales agents and outfitters will be affected, but they are a small percentage of the african safari business

and we wont be "licking" any PHs, though shaking hands will be fine

I'll be in Vegas without the slightest concern of the big "E". I will be interested to hear how bidding goes on all the African hunts and if it is affected by "E" ignorance. I'm kind of wondering if it will affect the sale of African hunts in our Alaska fundraiser. I certainly hope not, but you just can't count out stupidity.

Brett

If I were an outfitter I would be more worried about the present economy and if attendance is down-which I think it will be- I believe this will be the reason.Holiday spending is predicted to be down this season and companies are already reporting losses for this period compared to last year-some 10X lower.

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but you just can't count out stupidity.

Brett

Aint that the truth. Im going to Pakistan in December right after I'm going to West Africa.

West Africa no concern at all, Pakistan a little bit lol