I'm getting on the plane to Tanzania on Tuesday next week. Most people I know who know I'm going look at me like I have a horn growing out of my head.

For crying out loud, I'm going to hunt lions and buffaloes and hippos and crocs, animals that kill people in Tanzania every year. Why would I be afraid of a virus that has killed exactly no one in Tanzania?

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Originally posted by BuffNut:
I'm getting on the plane to Tanzania on Tuesday next week. Most people I know who know I'm going look at me like I have a horn growing out of my head.

For crying out loud, I'm going to hunt lions and buffaloes and hippos and crocs, animals that kill people in Tanzania every year. Why would I be afraid of a virus that has killed exactly no one in Tanzania?

We'll expect to see you wearing a surgical mask in all your trophy pictures

It is always something.

You have to plan on being lucky sometime.

I have worked all around this planet, and indeed have previously had some tropics and Africa issues at times but nothing too serious. Ebola was there then, but it certainly wasn't anywhere near the top of our list of problems at the time.

If ebola continued, and indeed became more widespread but less than epidemic, then I would consider whether to take my wife and daughter with me hunting. But in general I am only monitoring the situation for now.

If your worried about this kind of thing in the US, or in Europe for that matter, them I say look at the "other" diseases entering the USA now and look at the policies allowing it to happen. Because this is an ongoing situation now.

As for me personally, I always figure that a moving target is much harder to hit.

Tendrams, JPK:
You two are right on the money with your comments.

A really good resource for information is the online blog www.pathogenperspectives.com; the author is Dr Heather Lander, a Phd experimental virologist

Regarding the sexual transmission of ebola, she makes the following very good points

"Evidence of Ebola virus can be found in semen up to 91 days post disease onset (1, 2, 3, 4)
Not all surviving men have detectable virus in their semen.(2)
Of those who do, not all of them have it there for 91 days. Some have been found negative at 45 days.(2)
Men who’ve recovered are counseled by their physicians about the dangers of transmitting Ebola to sexual partners through unprotected sex. (3)
One study found indirect evidence that one woman may have gotten Ebola from sex, but they could not confirm that she actually had Ebola, or that she got it from sex. (1)
There is anecdotal evidence that one woman got Ebola from sex during this epidemic
Dr. Barbara Knust, an epidemiologist at the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention answered this question for NPR and said this: “Ebola is spread only by people exhibiting symptoms and through direct contact with bodily fluids. Once a person recovers from Ebola virus disease, he or she is no longer shedding virus, and thus is not contagious. In past Ebola outbreaks, follow-up studies of patients who have recovered from Ebola and their contacts found no evidence that the Ebola virus was spread from a recovered patient to their close contacts.”
And in response to the specific question about semen:
“Therefore, male survivors of Ebola are advised to avoid having sex for three months or to use condoms. Semen and breast milk are not the primary means by which Ebola is transmitted. The virus is primarily transmitted via blood, sweat, feces and vomit.”
Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tennessee had this to say of it. "Of all the modes of transmission, that's going to be the last," Schaffner told Live Science. "It's a little like asking me, 'If we're all going to go from New York to San Francisco, will one of us walk?' That doesn't happen too often."

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Originally posted by BuffNut:
I'm getting on the plane to Tanzania on Tuesday next week. Most people I know who know I'm going look at me like I have a horn growing out of my head.

For crying out loud, I'm going to hunt lions and buffaloes and hippos and crocs, animals that kill people in Tanzania every year. Why would I be afraid of a virus that has killed exactly no one in Tanzania?

No cases of Ebola have been registered in Tanzania - I was with one of the largest Tour Operators yesterday evening discussing among others this most recent topic.

TZ is currently feeling the over-reaction of the uninformed, "scared shit-less of their own shadow" types.

Our main entry points are now set up with "Ebola Fever Monitors" which are the most counter productive contraptions that some health idiot thought up as it only identifies abnormality in body temperature which can be caused by any body malfunction: flu, malaria or any other non-Ebola bug related infection.

These contraptions give the visitor, many of whom booked a flight out within 24hrs of their arrival because their interpretation of the machines was that Ebola presence is either present or expected.

Go figure !

Leaving on a 14 day hunt to Tanzania tomorrow!

A second healthcare worker who cared for Thomas Eric Duncan has tested positive for Ebola.

Not at all surprising after learning about all the lapses in even rudimentary infection control at the hospital. It's actually a wonder why 35 of the 70 workers have not been infected.

I can see why African operators and booking agents are so concerned about Ebola. Its going to have a real impact on hunters going to Africa regardless of the risk of getting it.

I would stay clear of West Africa - I am surprised more airlines have not stopped flights to West Africa. Its just not worth the PR risk.

As a hunter why hunt in an "West African country" with risk of Ebola. Anyone really think the infection statistics are accurate? Would you want to go to one of the hospitals ?

So why go on a hunt where by chance if you have to go to a hospital - injured in your DG hunt, travel accident, just getting sick - you run risk of getting really sick.

Also you have zero control if you can actually leave your hunt country - what happens if airlines cancel flights (crew refuses to fly, cleaning crew refuses to clean). Unless our are willing to sit in a congested West African city with ebola fears all around you till US embassy gets you out.

It is truly amazing that we in the US have not taken any real policy actions to deal with Ebola or even have set of policy actions to take if something else like Ebola rears it head.

Mike

And ... there is more: CBS news in Dallas is now reporting:

"DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – The CDC has announced that the second healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola traveled by air Oct. 13, the day before she first reported symptoms.

The CDC is now reaching out to all passengers who flew on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth. The flight landed at 8:16 p.m. CT.

The CDC is asking all 132 passengers on the flight to call 1 800-CDC INFO (1 800 232-4636). Public health professionals will begin interviewing passengers about the flight after 1 p.m. ET.

Authorities say that the healthcare worker did not exhibit symptoms while on the flight, according to crew members. However, the precaution is needed due to the proximity in time between the flight and the first reported symptoms.

Frontier Airlines is working closely with the CDC to identify and notify all passengers on the flight."

Shit, it's a wonder all of Texas isn't infected!

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A union made troubling allegations Tuesday about the Texas hospital where a nurse contracted Ebola, claiming "guidelines were constantly changing" and "there were no protocols" about how to deal with the deadly virus."

"The protocols that should have been in place in Dallas were not in place, and that those protocols are not in place anywhere in the United States as far as we can tell," National Nurses United Executive Director RoseAnn DeMoro said. "We're deeply alarmed."

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On the day that Thomas Eric Duncan was admitted to the hospital with possible Ebola symptoms, he was "left for several hours, not in isolation, in an area where other patients were present," union co-president Deborah Burger said.

Up to seven other patients were present in that area, the nurses said, according to the union.

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After expressing concerns that their necks were exposed even as they wore protective gear, the nurses were told to wrap their necks with medical tape, the union says.

"They were told to use medical tape and had to use four to five pieces of medical tape wound around their neck. The nurses have expressed a lot of concern about how difficult it is to remove the tape from their neck," Burger said.

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At one point during Duncan's care, hazardous waste piled up.

"There was no one to pick up hazardous waste as it piled to the ceiling," Burger said. "They did not have access to proper supplies."

Link

But on the bright side, it doesn't look like any of those "medical professionals" licked any semen off the floor.

If ebola was as virulently infectious as our Chicken Littles choose to believe everybody south of Texarkana would be dead by now, but at least people running around with their hair on fire are easy to spot.

Oh, what the hell. If all this pandemic and mass hysteria starts, I'll just go live at my duck club and shoot ducks every day.

Hope you can't get it from eating mallards!

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Originally posted by DLS:
Oh, what the hell. If all this pandemic and mass hysteria starts, I'll just go live at my duck club and shoot ducks every day.

Hope you can't get it from eating mallards!

As long as those ducks haven't gotten health care in any third-world countries like Liberia or Texas I think you'll be fine

Today's news about the Dallas nurse flying Frontier prompted me to read this thread. It seems there are some very qualified posters here who are not enthused about the WHO and CDC getting the information and protocols right against this virus. Where can a layman go for reliable, factual information?
I have read the CDC Ebola pages, but agree something doesn't seem quite right, here.
Finally, if you were an epidemiologist or infectious disease specialist, is there an organization you would support above most others in the fight to contains this virus -- perhaps Medicins sans Frontieres?
I'd like in some small way to be a part of the solution, rather than just another whining, simpering voice playing the blame game.

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Today's news about the Dallas nurse flying Frontier prompted me to read this thread. It seems there are some very qualified posters here who are not enthused about the WHO and CDC getting the information and protocols right against this virus. Where can a layman go for reliable, factual information?
I have read the CDC Ebola pages, but agree something doesn't seem quite right, here.
Finally, if you were an epidemiologist or infectious disease specialist, is there an organization you would support above most others in the fight to contains this virus -- perhaps Medicins sans Frontieres?
I'd like in some small way to be a part of the solution, rather than just another whining, simpering voice playing the blame game.

Bill, this is not some magical, super-virulent mega-virus, and containing it isn't a mystery. Good, solid hygiene at every level, prompt quarantine of the infected and timely dissemination of information is all that's needed, BUT, our so-called "medical professionals" need to get their heads out of their asses. Our infection-control procedures are obvious failures when we KNOW there are over a million-and-a-half cases of in-hospital infections a year. Tighten up basic procedures and ebola isn't a problem.

Jeff, I think everyone will rest easier when investigators pinpoint the specific breach of protocols at Texas Presbyterian that resulted in the two additional infections. As far as I know, there have been no breaches either at Emory in Atlanta or at the Nebraska Medical Center -- but both of those facilities specialize in this kind of thing and knew they had ebola patients coming, unlike the poor walk-in at TP.
A commentator on NPR the other day said that sorting out ebola patients will get much more complicated when flu season hits, as the initial symptoms present as nearly the same.

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Originally posted by Jefffive: ... Tighten up basic procedures and ebola isn't a problem.

And maybe ... just maybe ... we should think about temporarily denying people from the affected West African countries entry into the country? How much of a discussion would we be having today on the topic if Thomas Eric Duncan would not have been able to fly to the US. (His actions in traveling to the US while infected appear to be responsible for the subsequent infection of at least 2 people ... that we know of.) Politically incorrect or not ... seems like there is a whole lot of common sense that is lacking.

And ... shock of all shocks ... our Dear Leader has actually canceled a fund-raising trip today, so that he can have an Ebola conference with his cabinet. (I wonder if he would have canceled a golf game?)

Impose a West Africa or heck, just for tickles ban all flights from the entire continent while were at it and the Duncan's of the world would simply select an intermediate airport and still wind up here - just exactly like he did.

Then, what about the thousands of folks who wind up on our shores every day working on container and cargo ships? You want to close our sea ports too? About all you will accomplish is bringing our frail economy to it's knees.

We cannot secure our southern border or the White House front door, what makes you think we can secure the rest of our country?

Back a few years ago when the WHO was predicting 50 million deaths from Swine Flu, the same discussion took place and we did exactly nothing to impede travel. We did nothing because in today's world, there is virtually no way to isolate a country from a pandemic (not that Ebola is a pandemic).

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Originally posted by DLS:
Oh, what the hell. If all this pandemic and mass hysteria starts, I'll just go live at my duck club and shoot ducks every day.

Hope you can't get it from eating mallards!

Got to watch out for the avian flu doing that. Your not safe anywhere.

Not so much the flights ... just the passport holders. However, if flights were banned, medical people, journalists, etc. can still get in and out quite easily via charters that would have a lot more control / screening procedures.

No need to close the ports. The "thousands" of folks who wind up on "your" shores in containers can probably be easily sniffed by dogs or discovered by x-rays. (I live next to 2 of the largest ports on the West Coast of the US, and containers are routinely x-rayed and also checked for radiation after they are unloaded and before they leave the port.)

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Jeff, I think everyone will rest easier when investigators pinpoint the specific breach of protocols at Texas Presbyterian that resulted in the two additional infections. As far as I know, there have been no breaches either at Emory in Atlanta or at the Nebraska Medical Center -- but both of those facilities specialize in this kind of thing and knew they had ebola patients coming, unlike the poor walk-in at TP.
A commentator on NPR the other day said that sorting out ebola patients will get much more complicated when flu season hits, as the initial symptoms present as nearly the same.

I think it will be harder to pinpoint what protocols they DID follow. Piss-poor protective gear, bad quarantine procedures, casual mishandling of samples and waste. They really seemed to have screwed every possible pooch except literally screwing somebody's dog.

I am not a "the sky is falling type person,, did I go on safari despite the ebola outbreak,,,yes I did,, was I more cautious, yes I was. family and friends thought I was crazy for going, my response was to each of them that they were as close to the outbreak as I would be,,, Just one plane ride away and that is exactly what happened.

I have seen other medical personal members here criticized on their responses here but here I go anyway. In the past I have been involved in the research and development of vaccines, I don't panic easy. The viral component is what alarms me. I can assure everyone in the medical field, and hospital industry has had a huge wake up call. The number of our hospitals and medical community that were prepared for a patient with Ebola walking into their ER you could probably count on your fingers and toes. It is the beginning of flu season,, not Ebola season! Now everyone with a fever or flu coming into our health care system can cause panic and concern,, should it??? Probably not

The hospital that I am on the board of can not deal with the complications and patient care responsibilities that an ebola would present in an effective manner. If anyone is truly honest and realistic,, just being able to deal with the disposal if the direct care materials presents a huge logistics nightmare.

Seeing a patient with end stage ebola with complete organ failure and vascular breakdown and copious amounts of bloody body fluids and waste that are present to deal with makes the worst Halloween movie anyone has ever seen look mild and tame. The 70% or greater death rate and the multiples of exposure is what gives me concern. The 2nd infected nurse flew on a commercial flight with fever , was in major airports, how many people did she have remote contact with,,, direct contact with???? That is what concerns me.

You can not isolate the world,, you can not quarantine everyone because you don't know who they all are... we are a mobile society and this better serve to wake us all but I am still going to go hunt, live my life. do the best I can for the health of my community....

We have to play smarter....

Actually, in thinking about it a little more, this ebola outbreak will likely end up SAVING American lives.

A mere 1% improvement in infection-control efforts in American hospitals will avoid 150,000+ unnecessary infections, and 10,000 or so deaths, per year, and unless medical folks are a lot dumber than I think they are we'll see a significantly better than 1% improvement across the board.

Infection control within hospitals has gotten horribly lax, but they are getting a very loud wake-up call. The question now is will anybody answer?

Re: Travel Bans:

Entry restrictions

·Kenya on 10 October announced that it had closed the Suam border crossing (Trans-Nzoia county) with Uganda due to reports of an Ebola-related death in Bukwo district (Uganda). Earlier, the Kenyan authorities on 19 August suspended entry of passengers travelling from and through Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, excluding health professionals supporting efforts to contain the outbreak and Kenyan citizens.

·Cape Verde on 9 October announced that it would now deny entry to non-resident foreigners coming from countries with ‘intense Ebola transmission' – Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia - or who have been to those countries in the previous 30 days.

·Mauritius on 8 October banned entry to all travellers who have visited Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Liberia, Senegal and Congo (DRC) in the last two months, rather than just citizens of those countries, as was the case previously. The authorities have announced that entry restrictions for travellers from Senegal and Nigeria will be lifted on 10 October and 17 October respectively, if no further cases of Ebola infection are reported.

·Seychelles on 8 October suspended entry to travellers who have visited Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea-Bissau, Guinea, Nigeria or Congo (DRC) 28 days prior to their journey, with the exception of Seychellois citizens.

·Côte d'Ivoire has reopened in early October its borders with Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia.

·Equatorial Guinea is denying entry to travellers whose journeys originated in countries affected by Ebola.

·Cameroon on 17 September reopened its borders to travellers from Senegal. An 18 August ban remains in place on travel from Nigeria, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

·Southern African Development Community (SADC) member states – Angola, Botswana, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Seychelles, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe – have stated that travellers coming from Ebola-affected countries (according to the World Health Organisation, WHO) would be monitored for 21 days and that travel to member countries for any gatherings would be discouraged. The SADC provided no details as to how member countries will carry out the associated screening and follow-up and it is likely that countries will have individual processes. There are also reports that some countries require health documentation for entry. Travellers are advised to contact the embassy or health ministry of their destination country to clarify their individual circumstances and prepare their trips accordingly.

·South Sudan has placed a ban on travellers coming from Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia or Congo (DRC), or those who have travelled to those countries in the preceding 21 days. According to the health ministry, entry of travellers from Nigeria depends on their travel history in that country and whether they have visited Ebola-affected areas.

·Namibia's foreign ministry on 11 September announced that foreigners travelling from countries affected by Ebola would be prohibited from entering the country.

·Gambia on 1 September suspended entry of persons who have visited Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone or Nigeria in the 21 days prior to travel. Those travelling indirectly from any of the aforementioned countries to Gambia via another country also come under this measure.

·Côte d'Ivoire announced on 23 August that it had closed its land borders with Guinea and Liberia.

·Gabon stated on 22 August that it is restricting the issuance of entry visas to travellers from Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria on a case-by-case basis.

·Rwanda, according to the US Department of State on 22 August, has banned entry to travellers who have visited Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone in the 22 days prior to travel.

·Senegal on 21 August closed its land border with Guinea, while the country's sea and air borders will also be closed to vessels and aircraft from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

·Chad on 21 August closed its land border with Nigeria at Lake Chad. The country previously reportedly banned the entry of any travellers originating or transiting through Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria or Sierra Leone, with airlines serving the country reportedly rerouting flights.

·South Africa on 21 August restricted entry for all non-citizens travelling from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The government subsequently clarified that this was not a blanket ban and could be waived for 'absolutely essential travel'


Flights and other transport

Countries that have implemented Ebola-related travel restrictions:

·Gambia has banned the entry of flights from Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.

·Gabon has banned the entry of flights and ships from countries affected by Ebola.

·Senegal has banned flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

·Cameroon has banned flights to and from Nigeria.Chad has suspended all flights from Nigeria.

·Nigeria has suspended flights to the country operated by Gambian national carrier Gambia Bird.

·Côte d'Ivoire has now lifted the ban on passenger flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.


Details of airlines that have restricted flights to Ebola-affected countries:

·Air France suspended flights to Sierra Leone from 28 August.

·The Togo-based carrier Asky Airlines has suspended flights to and from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

·Arik Air (Nigeria), Gambia Bird and Kenya Airways have suspended services to Liberia and Sierra Leone.

·British Airways has extended their suspension of flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone until 31 December.

·Emirates Airlines has suspended flights to Guinea.

·Korean Air suspended flights to and from Kenya from 20 August.

·Senegal Airlines has suspended flights to and from Conakry (Guinea) until further notice.


Other airlines have modified their routes but are still operating regular scheduled services. These include:

·Royal Air Maroc
·Brussels Airlines.

https://www.internationalsos.c...=435&language_id=ENG

NEWS FLASH: Add the tiny Caribbean island of St. Lucia that just banned entry from the three West African nations affected by Ebola. (As if a lot of West Africans vacation in St. Lucia.)

Well, does that mean that Namibia will deny entry to U.S. citizens then?

Dutch

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Originally posted by Dutch44:
Well, does that mean that Namibia will deny entry to U.S. citizens then?

Dutch

We better hope the US isn't labeled as an Ebola outbreak country because Tanzania, Zimbabwe, Zambia, RSA, and Mozambique are part of the SADC according to the link above.

·Southern African Development Community (SADC) member states – Angola, Botswana, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Seychelles, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe – have stated that travellers coming from Ebola-affected countries (according to the World Health Organisation, WHO) would be monitored for 21 days and that travel to member countries for any gatherings would be discouraged. The SADC provided no details as to how member countries will carry out the associated screening and follow-up and it is likely that countries will have individual processes. There are also reports that some countries require health documentation for entry. Travellers are advised to contact the embassy or health ministry of their destination country to clarify their individual circumstances and prepare their trips accordingly.

Probably worth noting that most of the African nations on the list of those banning or restricting travel and flights lack the medical infrastructure to treat ebola cases using best practices.

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Probably worth noting that most of the African nations on the list of those banning or restricting travel and flights lack the medical infrastructure to treat ebola cases using best practices.

Obviously. So ... does that mean we should let more West Africans in, (to incur $500,000.00 - $1,000,000.00 hospital bills ... that we ultimately end-up paying for), simply because we have access to better medical care than some African nations?

Ann Coulter (whether you like her or not) sort of sums it up:

"At the moment, more than 13,000 West Africans have travel visas to come to the U.S. Having just seen an Ebola-infected Liberian get $500,000 worth of free medical treatment in the U.S., the first thing any African who might have Ebola should do is get himself to America.

Of all the reasons people have for coming here -- welfare, drug-dealing, Medicare scams -- "I have Ebola and I'm going to die, otherwise" is surely one of the strongest. The entire continent of Africa now knows that this is a country that will happily spend half a million dollars on treating someone who just arrived -- and then berate itself for not doing enough."

See: http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-10-15.html

Just to add a bit of levity to do the discussion.

I saw on the news yesterday day where a joker got on an airplane trying to make a joke and said "I have EBOLA". The authorities promptly came on the plane in hazmat suits and carted his kister off the plane. Reminded me of way back when planes were hijacked to Cuba. A flyer didn't get on a plane and say "Hi" and "Jack" in the same sentence.

I never did hear what happened to the joker who said he had EBOLA, but obviously wasn't smiling anymore.

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Originally posted by ftbt:
And ... there is more: CBS news in Dallas is now reporting:

"DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – The CDC has announced that the second healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola traveled by air Oct. 13, the day before she first reported symptoms.

The CDC is now reaching out to all passengers who flew on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth. The flight landed at 8:16 p.m. CT.

The CDC is asking all 132 passengers on the flight to call 1 800-CDC INFO (1 800 232-4636). Public health professionals will begin interviewing passengers about the flight after 1 p.m. ET.

Authorities say that the healthcare worker did not exhibit symptoms while on the flight, according to crew members. However, the precaution is needed due to the proximity in time between the flight and the first reported symptoms.

Frontier Airlines is working closely with the CDC to identify and notify all passengers on the flight."

And even more.....


She flew only after THE CDC TOLD HER SHE COULD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NBC news in Dallas is reporting that tomorrow the Dallas County Commissioners will declare a State of Disaster over Ebola. Basically, a control order will be issued that imposes new travel restrictions over healthcare workers who cared for Thomas Eric Duncan. Essentially, those being monitored for Ebola will be prevented from using any public transportation, including busses and airliners.

See:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/hea...rkers-279336932.html

I find it interesting how everyone in the news media and of course our erstwhile politicians have jumped on the bandwagon, spouting off endless drivel for TV time and political gain. For the past few months we have seen and heard endless stories about the primitive, wretched conditions and how the governments in Africa were incapable of dealing with the problem. Lots of pictures of poor untrained African aid workers (not nurses) working at deaths door with no reward in sight other than a meager paycheck if that and an assurance of no better care than their charges if they got infected.

A couple of thousand dead and several thousand infected in Liberia and 100+ caregivers dead or infected. One dead in the US and two nurses infected. What a confidence giving statistic. For our long term outlook we better start looking at the reasons for the fall of the Roman Empire rather than worrying about Ebola!!

Was watching SABC AFRICA about a South African treatment centre in Liberia ? I think.

The interesting take away is that Congo has the Ebola outbreak under control already.

Asked what the biggest problem was regarding the spread, lack of proper control measures.

I'm hoping this will be under control soon.

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Originally posted by vvreddy:
I find it interesting how everyone in the news media and of course our erstwhile politicians have jumped on the bandwagon, spouting off endless drivel for TV time and political gain. For the past few months we have seen and heard endless stories about the primitive, wretched conditions and how the governments in Africa were incapable of dealing with the problem. Lots of pictures of poor untrained African aid workers (not nurses) working at deaths door with no reward in sight other than a meager paycheck if that and an assurance of no better care than their charges if they got infected.

A couple of thousand dead and several thousand infected in Liberia and 100+ caregivers dead or infected. One dead in the US and two nurses infected. What a confidence giving statistic. For our long term outlook we better start looking at the reasons for the fall of the Roman Empire rather than worrying about Ebola!!

Don't forget our brave chickenhawk Teabaggers running around crying like little girls with stubbed toes over something that has killed fewer Americans this year than Holstein cattle.

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Don't forget our brave chickenhawk Teabaggers running around crying like little girls with stubbed toes over something that has killed fewer Americans this year than Holstein cattle.

Can Ebola be transmitted via the air. We have been told NO.

However, researchers at the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) that “scientific and epidemiologic evidence” now exists that proves Ebola has the potential to be transmitted via exhaled breath and “infectious aerosol particles.”

Read more at: http://www.inquisitr.com/15418...#b8qCuFYHxLHeQR8i.99

Makes you wonder if we are getting "the straight scoop."

Now we hit a new low. LIVE CNN aerial footage of the woman being transported to the hospital.

A must see...Is a monster going to jump out of the ambulance, is a cloud of Ebola gas about to spew out of the windows?!!

So exciting, I'm going to be up all night watching. Damn losers.

Dont see any of our leaders rushing to West Africa to shake a few hands for a photo shoot....Pity jc

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Originally posted by vvreddy:
Now we hit a new low. LIVE CNN aerial footage of the woman being transported to the hospital.

A must see...Is a monster going to jump out of the ambulance, is a cloud of Ebola gas about to spew out of the windows?!!

So exciting, I'm going to be up all night watching. Damn losers.

It is about money. The bed count at the hospital had dropped from a normal of 900 to 300.