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people , i have looked through the post but not read every line -

this year i hunted with an 82 year old who did very well , was he able to run up a mountain - NO was he in incredible shape for his age - YES

i also hunted with a 45 year old who was very overweight and could hardly do 100 yards without stopping for a breather

i hunted with the two gents in the TV show that spurned this thread - exceptionally fit and well practiced -

bottom line is we as PHs , outfitters and booking agents , as professionals need to accomodate a persons physical abilities , shooting abilities limitations -

the common thread that comes out of all of this and actually goes for almost anything in life - the better prepared you are able to be for an experience , the more you will enjoy that experience -

the very fact of what it costs to hunt dangerous game means that many people get to afford it later in life when they are simply not as fit as they may have been in earlier years -

as a Ph , pushing someone beyond what they are capable of does not have a happy ending - you wont part as friends and will annoy each other immensely , on the other hand being an accomodating professional , accepting what you have to work with and helping that person fulfil their dream will result in countless great friendships with people all over the world -

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

My final word on this topic is that what Ivan carter stated in the following is exactly how I feel on this subject, and I have never met the man or spoke to him.

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chicken but a ball of drugged fat

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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You are spot on Mike. Crazy is using age and socioeconomic status as excuses for being overweight and out of shape. That is a truism in the US not the rest of the world. Normally poor = manual labor = skinny. Age does not equal debilitating disease it can be used as an excuse to have debilitating disease and often is.

TxLonghorn, you don't have the brains God promised a goat.

During my 40 + years of hunting, I have hunted successfully elk/caribou/moose/bear/musk-ox/pronghorn/deer/pheasants/waterfowl and fished extensively. Am I overweight, yes, has that kept me from enjoying some really great phyusical hunts, NO! I have had a complete replacement of one knee, i have a fucked up elbow at present but it has not kept me from guiding people for deer or hogs and doing a days work.

Your making a judgement call that you have no basis in fact for making.

How much actual hunting have you done?

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I have enough basis in the fact that you admit to being overweight so you are absolutely disease free otherwise right? I doubt that, experience tells me that you likely have smoked or are smoking, have one or more of these diseases high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, peripheral arterial disease. Yes I made a leap but not much of one.

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Originally posted by Woodhits:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Woodhits:

The picture of this fellow is THE REASON I made my original post on the thread that started this one. In the OP, a comment was made about the fitness of the hunters on camera. Later, it was refined to state the preference of watching "fit" hunters as they are more interesting to watch because they perform the sport of hunting at a higher level.

This is just my opinion but although this fellow would probably not be able to jump from rock to rock, run up mountains, or otherwise display feats of physical prowess, I would certainly be interested in watching this guy on a hunting show. I would find his desire to continue pursuing his passion in the face of adversity to be inspirational.

That is really all I was trying to say. That some have issues keeping them from being the absolute perfect physical specimen, yet they continue to enjoy activities at whatever pace is within their abilities. And I would find that just as entertaining, if not more so, in a hunting video.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Woodhits:

The picture of this fellow is THE REASON I made my original post on the thread that started this one. In the OP, a comment was made about the fitness of the hunters on camera. Later, it was refined to state the preference of watching "fit" hunters as they are more interesting to watch because they perform the sport of hunting at a higher level.

This is just my opinion but although this fellow would probably not be able to jump from rock to rock, run up mountains, or otherwise display feats of physical prowess, I would certainly be interested in watching this guy on a hunting show. I would find his desire to continue pursuing his passion in the face of adversity to be inspirational.

That is really all I was trying to say. That some have issues keeping them from being the absolute perfect physical specimen, yet they continue to enjoy activities at whatever pace is within their abilities. And I would find that just as entertaining, if not more so, in a hunting video.

You would be surprised what guys like this can do. Unlike Dilberts who think hunting Cape buffalo is feat of bravery, guys like this have drained deep the chalice of courage.

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Originally posted by BaxterB:

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chicken but a ball of drugged fat

Hmmm..can;t use growth hormones here in the US for chicken, bit what we do is to breed these frankenchickens with breasts so big they can;t walk. It's a pathetic sight.

~Ann

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Originally posted by Fritz Rabe:
Tod:
One day someone will run the 100 in 10 flat.
We have a pro-athlete in SA (Oscar Pistorius) that has two of those carbon legs and he runs the 100m in 11,2. He is currently trying to get into the olympic team to compete against normal athletes in the 400m.

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I highly recommend an MMA or a Krav Maga

Be very careful with this stuff, especially the choke holds if you get into it that far. Even though the ME found no evidence of such, initial indications pointed to a dissection of my friends vertebral artery, likely after trauma suffered while practicing a choke hold called the Bow and Arrow. We have no idea why nothing was found but from 10am to 1pm he was doing MMA, about 1:30 he had the stroke and that was that. Cause of death is still undetermined after a month... I cant even watch the stuff anymore. I have a friend that does Wing Chung/sticky hands etc type stuff and that is very cool, and athletic. I'd try that before getting my head bashed in.

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Originally posted by TexKD:
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On the other hand there are guys working 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, pushing a pencil to provide for his family and then to pay for these kinds of hunts. So while they might not be the best hunters, or take the biggest trophy, or maybe they even require a rest day, they still enjoy the hunt.

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Originally posted by BaxterB:

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I highly recommend an MMA or a Krav Maga

Be very careful with this stuff, especially the choke holds if you get into it that far. Even though the ME found no evidence of such, initial indications pointed to a dissection of my friends vertebral artery, likely after trauma suffered while practicing a choke hold called the Bow and Arrow. We have no idea why nothing was found but from 10am to 1pm he was doing MMA, about 1:30 he had the stroke and that was that. Cause of death is still undetermined after a month... I cant even watch the stuff anymore. I have a friend that does Wing Chung/sticky hands etc type stuff and that is very cool, and athletic. I'd try that before getting my head bashed in.

Just one more reason MMA should be banned; another being that the rising popularity of MMA, more than any other factor, is responsible for the decline of civility in America.

Study Boxing. http://www.boxingarts.com/

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I'd prefer that everyone had to post a picture of themselves and their current wife before posting any comments about the shape of anyone else.

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:
The bottom line is, it is better to be finacaly able to go and a bit out of shape. Than to be fit enough for an "Iron Man" race and broke. The first guy gets to go one a hunt where he choses, the second guy STAYS haome.

Keith

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:
The bottom line is, it is better to be finacaly able to go and a bit out of shape. Than to be fit enough for an "Iron Man" race and broke. The first guy gets to go one a hunt where he choses, the second guy STAYS haome.

Keith

And why must they be mutually exclusive?

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:
The bottom line is, it is better to be finacaly able to go and a bit out of shape. Than to be fit enough for an "Iron Man" race and broke. The first guy gets to go one a hunt where he choses, the second guy STAYS haome.

Keith

And why must they be mutually exclusive?

Just saying that "Most" hunters who can afford a big ticket hunt, are older guys and years can and do make a difference. Most of the younger guys are tring to raise a family and are limited on funds.

If you do not have the cash you are staying home, no matter what shape you are in.

Keith

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Originally posted by shootaway:
It is much more of an accomplishment to go hunting when you are not in shape,IMO.I remember my last hunt in the Makuti hills and the shot I made on both my buffs.That moment is replayed in my mind when I look at that beautifull buff mount on my wall.Who knows,maybe next time I`ll be in top shape and walk everyone at CMS into the ground!

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
It is much more of an accomplishment to go hunting when you are not in shape,IMO.I remember my last hunt in the Makuti hills and the shot I made on both my buffs.That moment is replayed in my mind when I look at that beautifull buff mount on my wall.Who knows,maybe next time I`ll be in top shape and walk everyone at CMS into the ground!

well lost me again. maybe if you post in French, maybe it will make more sense. if you get in shape will you tip your PH better when you walk him into the ground?

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well lost me again. maybe if you post in French, maybe it will make more sense. if you get in shape will you tip your PH better when you walk him into the ground?