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START WITH CUTTING OUT SOFT DRINKS! Constantly ingesting sugar water is very bad for you. You will never get your weight back to normal if you are drinking sodas all day and eating a lot of carbs. Elephant Hunter, Double Rifle Shooter Society, NRA Lifetime Member, Ten Safaris, in RSA, Namibia, Zimbabwe | |||
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We're on the 4th page of this thread now and no one has said "I don't want to see Steve Bindon on a hunting show". Isn't that what this discussion is really about? I have nothing against overweight people doing anything, I just don't want to see it on TV. Christ, I live in Kansas. I see enough fat people in real life. Oh yeah, I'm fat too. | |||
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The most surprising thing about this whole thread is that a bunch of potbellied old guys like us are so interested in fat and fitness. 124 responses in about 30 hours. Tom ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, duke of York ". . . when a man has shot an elephant his life is full." ~John Alfred Jordan "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero - 55 BC "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand Cogito ergo venor- KPete “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.” ― Adam Smith - “Wealth of Nations” | |||
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Quote from AnotherAZWriter: "Taxpayers are getting tired of struggling to pay for their own retirement and seeing public servants retire at 49." Amen to that. A person should choose their job because that's what they want to do for a living, not because they know they'll be able to file a disability claim in their late 40s and retire early, which the taxpayers pay for. And I suspect there are quite a few people who enter these jobs (LEO and FF) knowing that they'll be leaving early and going on the public dole long before someone in the private sector will be able to retire. Nothing against LEOs and Fire Fighters, but the system that's set up for disability claims for public servants seems to be ripe for abuse, with public servant job benefits and entitlements being immensely more generous than private sector job benefits. | |||
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Hizzie, My apologies for thinking you were the one on disability. I got confused before enough coffee.  ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Side job - Yes it means worked another job. What does it say. Hmm, "I have bills to pay and I don't make enough money at my regular job." The same thing it would mean if a regular citizen worked 2 jobs. Do we not have the right to work a second job? No, a guy working a side job, being paid by someone other than the Govt Agency, should not get Disability. The is not LOD. Keep in mind some Agencies have the merchants pay them and then offer OT Assignments to its personell. Then they ARE working for the Govt Agency and are On-Duty and any injury would be LOD. Take issue with the Govt Agency, not the Union or Pension System. 911 - Protocol says if X happens then Y gets dispatched. People can be rather vague when reporting emergencies or severly under report what is really happening. FF always treat you like a Customer? I responded to a scene to assist FF's. They were there to treat a DV victim and the suspect came back to finish what he started. I arrived to find 4 FF standing on the guy. He was loudly complaining about the level of CS he was receiving. It is all about the circumstances. So you met an asshole Cop. So what? The last doctor I saw was an asshole. Should I hold it against all of them? Met a couple of asshole attorneys. Should I write all of them off? I hope your MIL is feeling better. ____________________________________________ "If a man can't trust himself to carry a loaded rifle out of camp without risk of shooting somebody, then he has no business ever handling a rifle at all and should take up golf or tennis instead." John Taylor Ruger Alaskan 416 Ruger African 223 | |||
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First off who the Hell is Steve Bindon and who the Hell cares. It is about seeing real, honest to goodness, run of the mill, everyday hunters and fishermen out doing what they enjoy. What is wrong with that????? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I can't believe that I just read through 4 pages of this thread and no one stated the obvious solution to this chronic problem: WE ALL NEED TO HUNT MORE! If the outfitters would just lower prices so we could all hunt more we would be in better shape, the PHs would have better prepared hunters that could cover more ground and take better trophies, hunters would be happier and more likely to book another hunt and the whole cycle would repeat! Of course, this utopian solution is going in the opposite direction so we all just need to find more affordable and regular DIY hunts to mix in with the big dollar stuff so we can keep ourselves in hunting shape. This is my solution as long as I can figure out how to keep a job and marriage!! I hunt to live and live to hunt! | |||
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It is always interesting how these threads get sided tracked, the meeting at DSC/AR room is still on. If necessary we can divide the room (it is big) into hunting and weight discussion and the other side can debate public employee disability retirement. It is public employee not public service. | |||
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Hizzie and Shoh: You two have a great New Years. Thanks for your service and thanks for taking time to listen to my issues. | |||
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I don't know why anybody would give a "rat's ass" about how physically fit someone else is. Take care of yourself as that is a hard endeavor in itself. The rewards are many. That over weight person pays his money and takes his chances with success on his or hers hunt. There are two "fitness" levels that come into play in African Safaris: One is physical fitness the other is financial fitness. Rarely do the two coincide. By the time a person makes enough money and is financially secure in life to go on safari, his youth and physical fitness are long gone. You don't see many 26 year old "Greek Gods" on safari. | |||
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Are the doorways wide? ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Steve Bindon is the owner of Trijicon, a sponsor of Tracks Across Africa, and a huge, fat slob. He has made some appearances on TAA and, to me, really detracts from the show when he is on. | |||
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Folks, Maybe this has been covered because I surely have not read four pages of this but I'd like to say that you don't have to be in super shape to hunt Africa. No question that being in the best shape you can is ideal but it is not necessary to have a good safari. A good PH can get even a disabled hunter into position were he can take a great deal of the species Afica offers. Believe me I'm not trying to take anything away from the great physical condition that some of the posters on this thread have described. On the other hand I don't want a newbie to get the impression that Africa in general offers such a physical hunt that the average 50 year old with a belly should just stay home. The truth is that if a guy looks around he can find a hunt even for elephant and buffalo that won't be all that physically challenging. I have a very long safari this Sept/Oct coming up. I think I'm at the point in my recovery were I can start to drop some serious weight before the safari. If I don't drop the weight will I worry about not having fun on my safari? Not for a minute. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I don't really want to pay to see that though. if I did I would watch the latest trend in reality tv showing the best hillbillies the US has to offer to the rest of the world. Bottom line is that we in the health profession have heard all the excuses given here about why our patients are out of shape and overweight. Let us call it what it is EXCUSES to rationalize why they are in the shape they are in. The silver lining for me is the job security. | |||
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Brett/SureStrike - Thanks guys, I really appreciate your input. Fact is, I know what to do, cause I've done it many times before. Now its time to get back on the wagon, get back to a healthy diet, and do what I already know how to do. Txlonghorn is right, stop making excuses, stop being a B**ch, and do what's necessary. Truth is, I enjoy working out, my downfall over the past 2-3 yrs has become a poor diet, and that must change. | |||
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Hey, we don't always have to agree, but as long as things are civil, I'm always up to an exchange of opinions. I hope you have a healthy and prosperous New Year! | |||
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Surestrike! Awesome to hear that you are doing so well! Sounds like you are back to 100%.  I've been following a paleo diet for most of the last 18 months and am feeling much better. Lost 40 lbs ( of which too much was lean mass) but enjoying not carrying the excess weight around the mountains. I've been doing Power 90 and P90X but want to start adding some lean mass back on while I can (early 40s) so intend to start into crossfit. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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What seems to have been missed through the trees here is that "round" is indeed a shape. More to the point, I don't think there is any disagreement about being more physically fit and its impact on hunters. But hunters do come in all shapes, sizes, physical abilities, and genetics. If you do not enjoy watching hunters not up to your standards, avert your eyes. If you are repulsed by the company of someone who sweat or can't keep up with you, find other companions. Seriously, we have enough issues to deal with as hunters as it is. Do we want to impose or suggest new licensing standards to require one pass a PT test? Or maybe be of minimum or maximum height or weight? Minimum net worth? If you are of the mind that you wish to only associate with or be around certain classes of people, there are plently of private clubs that welcome your business. As it is, hunting is getting to the point of pricing out the average guy. We should do nothing to discourage interest or participation. If we do, we may see something many of us are passionate about die a slow and painful death. SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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This is all about what people prefer to watch on TV. Frankly, I prefer to watch adventurous hunts with people that work hard and are not challenged more by their own physical fitness than they are by physical demands of the hunt. What is wrong with that??? We are each entitled to our own preferences on what we like to watch. I also like pretty gals in camo on TV, but I find watching tree stand hunting for whitetails so boring that I'll even change the channel on Tiffany Lakosky, no matter how cute she might look in her treestand. Does this mean I hate women hunters and am insulting all whitetail hunters, fat and skinny? This thread is a prime example why I spend a fraction of the time on the internet than I used to. This whole discussion started with taking an OP out of context, and then trying to turn it from a molehill into a mountain. What a waste of time and energy. | |||
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Please tell me how many shows you are actually paying to watch? I turn on the TV and get all kinds of programs in the package we have. If I want to watch them I do, if I don't I don't. Do you feel that hunting license should only be issued to those that meet your criteria of phyical fitness? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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WTH? Where has anyone insinuated or implied that out of shape people shouldn't hunt? Or are you purposely taking people's statements out of context in order to stir up sh!t? I am glad that you confess to having preferences and change the channel on programs that you dont enjoy. I guess if everyone else had the same preferences then everything would be cool. Lol. | |||
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Canuck: Well said. The point is, most of us don't want to watch a guy that can hardly walk on TAA or any other show. The opening thread had nothing to do with stating fat guys like CrazyHorse don't have a right to hunt. Mark Young: I have long said there is no shortage of fat guys with trophy rooms full of African trophies. That some feel Africa is only for macho men cracks me up. Unless, of course, you want to bag the big 9: the dangerous seven, plus Kilimanjaro and Kenya. | |||
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I'm pretty sure I have to pay extra for the channel that shows TAA. I'm sure it's not something you can get with rabbit ears on top of the TV. That's the only "free" TV there is. anyone that can legally buy a hunting license should be able to. I just don't want to watch them huffing and puffing on my favorite hunting shows. just like most guys wouldn't want to see 300lbs Victoria Secret models and the reason the agencies don't put them in the catalogs. why would it be ok on a premier hunting show??!! | |||
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Cutting out the cokes is the first plan of action and also cutting out eating late night snacks. Both bad habits that I need to break "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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As for the comment about preferences in the shows they watch, please tell me or give an example of someone that does not have that ability. If a person wants to believe that only certain "types" should be seen on hunting programs, that is their priveledge, just as it is my priveledge to not agree with them. What is wrong with that? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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With a new right knee a few years ago and a new left hip a bit more than a year ago my conditioning went into the tank -- combination of not being able to be very active in hand with needing to have something in my stomach when I took pain pills made it easy to pick up 40+ pounds --- and at 69 close to 70, they aren't coming off very quickly. I'm hoping to be in good enough shape this Fall to do some field hunting for ducks and geese and maybe a white-tailed deer hunt in Texas. I'm sure not going to running up any hills. DB Bill aka Bill George | |||
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I have done pretty good with my hunts being a fat guy, so I guess we have decided to throw out another line of diviion among hunters, fat guys versus the "fit" crowd. That is really good. Fat guys that hunt should not be treated with the same respect people that have a better physique. That is good. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Come on Crazyhorse...you practically painted yourself as a sumo wrestler. But we need more hunters: fat guys, skinny guys like me that lost just about every fight in high school, black guys, women, gay guys, lezbos, you name it, I am all for it. | |||
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What is wrong is that no-one ever said that. You are excercising your privelege to disagree with something they never said. Lol KPete pointed out that the guys on TAA were fit, and not industry fat-cats. If you watch the show, you likely know what he is talking about. He later clarified that it is his preference to watch fit hunters on TV.
Nowhere did he say that certain "types" should not be on TV. He just stated that he prefers shows without out-of-shape hunters. Its a pretty big distinction that you seem to be failing to grasp.  | |||
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I agree with that, but believe you me that does not mean that I necessarilly want to watch it on TV. Lol. | |||
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Amen . . . but I have to draw the line at 300 pound Victoria Secret models. Mike | |||
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Either everyone that hunts is treated the same, regardless of weight, age, physical abilities or lines are drawn, whether expressed or implied. I don't agree with the idea that hunter need to be portrayed with some streo-typical model. Evidently some folk do. Stating that wanting everyone that wants to hunt should, and then turning right around and stating that "we just don't want to see it", is bigotry. To think or say that it isn't, is a lie. To classify me as a sumo wrestler is bigotry also. yes, I am overweight, 61 years old and have health problems, but so do a lot of folks, and I enjpy hunting. However with the attitudes and responses I really don't feel welcome as a hunter. At least by some folks on here. At no point have I argued against hunters being as physically fit as possible, but that level varies from one person to the next, and if I or anyone else is happy with or satisfied with their hunt, why does not being able to run marathons make them les of a hunter or person. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I am not failing to grasp anything, I just believe hunting shows should not stop showing average hunters hunting. I don't believe that hunting shows should just show a certain type of stylized "hunter" as the proto-type/public image of hunters. No one gave a shit about image back in the days of the old American Sportsman show with Curt Gowdy showing Phil Harris and Bing Crosby hunting and fishing. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I'm not sure why you want to make this a personal thing. it is not hunting class warfare please don't try to turn it into one. these shows' goal is not social advancement of the average out of shape hunter. it is purely entertainment, as such they aim to entertain the masses. toward that goal they presume that most people want to see fit and competent individual. for example, how's golf viewership been since Tiger disintegrated? it is just human nature otherwise I could be seen in a major motion picture opening near you. people don't want to see incompetence for entertainment. they don't want to feel sorry for the poor guy on the screen much less the animals they have wounded and suffered needlessly because the hunter was not physically prepared for the hunt. they want to be entertained not watch their brother-in-law screw the pooch on a huge tusker. sure it happens but that's not entertainment. | |||
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I would really like to see this TAA show and see what all the hurah is about. But alas I looked and you have to buy the sports package with my cable company and since I never watch sports except rugby and cricket and they are glaringly missing from the group I shall probably never see it and don't really think I will miss it too much. SCI Life Member NRA Patron Life Member DRSS | |||
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Whether you are in shape or out of shape its not my problem. Being overweight makes it harder to hunt. You go up the mountains slower (if at all) otherwise known as "I am taking my time". That's fine, but don't blame your PH or guide when you didn't get something. They can be the best PH in the world, but if a good buff is 1/4 mile away, and after walking that 1/4 mile your are on the verge of a heart attack or so stressed you miss/wound that animal, you are not only putting yourself in jeopardy you are now putting others around you in danger. A couple of guys I know came out west to elk hunt this year. They both got skunked. They blamed conditions, outfitter, elk numbers, wolf numbers etc. But when I took a short walk with them they were out of breath after 100 feet. (on uneven flat terrain at 2,500 feet above sea level) They didn't get elk because of them being out of shape. I knew good elk areas to go with them where I can sometimes guarantee an elk. But I know they physically couldn't get there. My specs: Height: 6'2" Weight: 255 Waist 38" A 56" Suit jacket is "snug" around my chest and shoulders. Bench 320lbs Leg Press 1,400 (I will rep that) I had knee surgery for a torn meniscus. Because I was in decent shape, recovery was quick and I was back on my feet. I don't run I normally bike, hike, and occasionally jog. I am on a fire dept. I respond to too many calls with difficulty breathing/heart attacks that I know could be prevented with a decent diet/exercise plan. Some of them are not clear cut as that was the only thing, but some are. Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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From my standpoint, the hurah is not about the show, it is about some individuals seemed perception that anyone that is not in as good a shape as they are, are marginal to poor hunters at best. These folks have the desire to brag about what great shape they are in, yet folks that don't match their fitness level are uccessful hunters in their own right. No one is argueing that people should not be in the best physical shape that they can be in, but for myriad reasons, not everyone can achieve or be on the same level. Each person ha to know and work within their phyical limitations. Other people have to understand that not everyone can achieve the same goals or levels that they have. Also, if you look back in some of the stuff that has been said, some folks include incompetency with being out of shape(in their estimation). At no point is anyone argueing the fact that ahunt is much more enjoyable if everyone involved is in good physical shape. In shape or not in shape, each and everyone of us that hunt have a responsibility to ourselves and those hunting with us to recognise and work within the limitations our bodies have placed upon us. My real problem with the whole deal, is that like too damn many things in our modern world, people are too concerned with visual appearance, and real abilities or knowledge are overlooked. I have killed my fair share of game, and while I can't run marathons, I do enjoy my hunts, and know and work within my bodies limitations, I just don't evaluate or judge people because of their outward appearance, and don't like it when people do. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Yep they are real bastards and should be banned too. The reality is people should be fit enough to do the hunt they are on. Most African hunting is flat land hunting and just requires the ability to walk reasonable distances. Often only a few kilometres at a time, but sometimes a lot of kilometres. No mountain climbing usually required. As for TV shows, yeah, why watch fatties gasping getting away from the bakkie. Have been told some clients almost collapse a hundred metres from the bakkie. Not cool. Don't see any TV shows here so moot point. | |||
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Right on! Makes me feel good to know Buzz didn't cull me from his first video because of my appearance. ~Ann   | |||
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