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The motivation was retribution from the outset; it had nothing to do with providing a public service. My view only of course.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Many posters reply to my posts not because they wish to respectfully discuss the topic on hand but because they are harassing little assholes that need attention-mostly rejects in life.If I did not have a weakness for hunting and shooting talk I would not even bother to participate.

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The motivation was retribution from the outset; it had nothing to do with providing a public service. My view only of course.

My view only is that retribution is a perfectly good reason for posting this fiasco and providing a service to his fellow hunters at the same time is a side benefit. Anyone who would hunt with Pieters anywhere after reading what he did to these two brothers has very questionable judgment in my opinion.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
So bring this to the open that the treatment he got was not what he had paid for, is not a service to the hunting community?

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Originally posted by Heym 450/400:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
So bring this to the open that the treatment he got was not what he had paid for, is not a service to the hunting community?

I for one appreciate the heads up...even if nothing Chris said was true, Martins own admission is enough to prevent me from booking with him. The End justify the means

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Wonder how busy Martin's booth will be at SCI?

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Originally posted by Heym 450/400:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Wonder how busy Martin's booth will be at SCI?

Considering most safari hunters either have never heard of AR or don't follow it...probably just as full as it was going to be before this thread.

Maybe I underestimate the power of AR?..IDK

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Originally posted by Heym 450/400:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Wonder how busy Martin's booth will be at SCI?

Considering most safari hunters either have never heard of AR or don't follow it...probably just as full as it was going to be before this thread.

Maybe I underestimate the power of AR?..IDK

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Originally posted by Saeed:
So bring this to the open that the treatment he got was not what he had paid for, is not a service to the hunting community?

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Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
So bring this to the open that the treatment he got was not what he had paid for, is not a service to the hunting community?

Saeed,

It definitely is a service to the hunting community.

There are plenty of slimy outfitters and slimy clients out in the hunting community. I think this thread exposed one of each. As a client, there is no way I'd book a hunt with MPS. Furthermore if I owned a hunting outfit, there is no way I'd book a hunt with Shootaway.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Heym 450/400:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Wonder how busy Martin's booth will be at SCI?

Considering most safari hunters either have never heard of AR or don't follow it...probably just as full as it was going to be before this thread.

Maybe I underestimate the power of AR?..IDK

I believe you're correct. I had been on some 15 safaris before I ever heard of it.

I think most, if not all of the service providers have heard of it.

There are many outfitters, safari companies and other related companies that don't advertise or use this site for any purpose.

I find AR to be fun and have met some good people but I never look to AR outfitters to book a Safari. Too public for my liking.

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Originally posted by MJines:
The motivation was retribution from the outset; it had nothing to do with providing a public service. My view only of course.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
So bring this to the open that the treatment he got was not what he had paid for, is not a service to the hunting community?

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Originally posted by Wesheltonj:
Found this exchange about another hunt on another forum:
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/..._my_tro#Post11482156

Me thinks, their is a pattern developing.

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Originally posted by Duckear:

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Originally posted by MJines:
The motivation was retribution from the outset; it had nothing to do with providing a public service. My view only of course.

Under what circumstances would you consider posting a negative review?

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Duckear:

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Originally posted by MJines:
The motivation was retribution from the outset; it had nothing to do with providing a public service. My view only of course.

Under what circumstances would you consider posting a negative review?

Fair enough. The problem I see with negative hunt reports done in the context of how they are done on AR is that I think they tend to be given disproportionate weight in many instances. On AR someone can have a ten year history of positive hunt reports, someone comes along with a negative report and all of sudden the outfitter is a reprehensible clod that should be avoided like the plague. As someone else pointed out, the whole "hero to zero" phenomenon. To me it is significant to understand that we are talking about people's careers, their businesses, how they provide for their families, etc. so a negative hunt report is not something I personally would do out of spite because I had a bad experience. Face it anyone in business long enough is going to have a situation where the wheels fall off and for whatever reason the customer walks away unhappy. I am not inclined to take the view that "one oh shit wipes out a history of attaboys". Besides, if there is an issue I am going to address the issue directly with the outfitter and move on.

I have much less of an issue with feedback systems frankly like those used by on-line retailers like EBay and Amazon (even some blog sites have vehicles for leaving feedback where positive and negative feedback is captured and cataloged so that at a glance you can see whether a negative experience is an exception or the rule). There I can see the positive and negative feedback all presented together. I can see who is providing the feedback in terms of their experience as an on-line buyer. I can see if the feedback has trended one way or the other over time. It gives me a much more balanced view of what the provider is really like. On AR the reports may be there but how many people actually take the time when they read a negative hunt report to go back and search for and read the positive hunt reports to get a more balanced picture? So we end up with a system like the one we have . . . every outfitter is largely only as good as their last hunt report irrespective of prior positive reports and who is making the negative report. As a consequence I think the implications of a negative report are disproportionately harsh and I am disinclined to make one.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Martin owes this chap an apology and money back.

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I would go so far as saying this could be construed as fraud. The second the area switch occurred, MP should have returned every penny and the planning process on a new hunt starts over.

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Originally posted by TGDjr:
Mike,

You say you don't want one "oh shit"to wipe out a career of attaboys but isn't that exactly what our legal system does if you break the law?

Save a kids life, then murder someone else? You are going to jail!

Donate to charity, then steal, you are going to jail.

Bait and switch is illegal in car sales, and probably other industries.

I get that you do not want to ruin a career, a lifetime of work, in one hunt report, but a $90k boondoggle, in which MP wanted More money for TF, is a little different then say one below average plainsgame or buffalo hunt.

I would go so far as saying this could be construed as fraud. The second the area switch occurred, MP should have returned every penny and the planning process on a new hunt starts over.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

To a certain degree activity by AR members resulted in Tom Shankster and Larry Kolneck being denied income, clients, Christmas bonuses, vacations, blaser rifles and so on. such is life.

Mike

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

To a certain degree activity by AR members resulted in Tom Shankster and Larry Kolneck being denied income, clients, Christmas bonuses, vacations, blaser rifles and so on. such is life.

Mike

I think the inclusion of Blaser Rifles ( ) in that string is possibly a mixing of metaphors.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . weak ethical behavior . . . what is your definition of that phrase and is it something that just applies to agents and outfitters or can the phrase apply to clients and hunters too?

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

. . . I will skip the ethical discussions with you.