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Ah well I hope LH doesn't get lonely up on that pedestal of his Big Grin


Is he placing himself on a pedestal? Or are you merely digging yourself into a hole that makes it look that way?

When I found AR it was often frustrating to search for information on some particular aspect of a topic. I found myself spending just as much time researching the "credentials", if you want to use that term, of the various posters and/or posers who would authoritatively state their opinions. Frankly, if I want to know about elephant hunting, double rifle shooting, dangerous game stopping, malaria prevention or anything else, I want to hear about it from people who know BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE IT. If I wanted an opinion based completely upon theory and reading...I already have my own...and I know how much it's worth.

After awhile it got easier...I quickly began to learn the names to be put on "mental ignore" and the ones which have experience worth a listen. There are always the tricky ones...the ones who don't walk the walk, but talk the talk in a convincing fashion. It's almost a personal insult to me when I find that someone who fooled me into thinking they were an authoritative source of information is in fact no more, and in some cases less, experienced than I am myself.

Of course, that's the way of it in real life as well...but on the internet there are fewer "tells" to alert you to the fact that you are dealing with a phony. It's more work to sniff'em out.

I must congratulate Saeed on his extreme tolerance to some of the extreme nonsense that goes on here. The other forum that I read frequently is a Canadian firearms-oriented site, similar to AR in a Canucky sort of way. The biggest difference, aside from the less cosmopolitan membership, is quickly obvious to one who frequents both sites: here on AR we are expected act like adults and gentlemen (and ladies), although expectations and reality diverge widely sometimes (often?). By comparison, the Canadian site is an over-censored ban-fest. The "Ban Hammer" (yeah...it actually has a nickname!) is brought into action so fast, so far, so frequently and so hard that it seems like a "Mighty Thor" comic book over there! Banned names appear in pink...there's a lot of pink on many of those threads!

I definitely prefer it here...especially now that my "mental ignore list" is up and running.

John


John,

The main point of this thread is precisely what you have mentioned.

The freedom members are given to say whatever they wish, without any interference from us running the site.

Some don't seem to like this sort of freedom.

They wish everyone to agree with their opinions, regardless of how wrong they might be.

Thankfully, it hasn't happened for a while. But before I used to get warning messages that "unless so and so is banned, I am not going to post here any more".

My answer has always been the same. "Don't read so and so's posts. Don't answer him."

There are members one tend to listen to, and there are members we tend to ignore.

But, we always learn something.

That is the bottom line.


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The african hunting posts i love are from the guys who have never been to africa and profess to know all see all because the saw it on tv. teh arm chair experts are not hard to figure out once you read one or two of there posts. if you don't like them do as saeed said or hit the ignore button.
 
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Only tyrants fear a free press.

In the free market of ideas, the wrong will fail, and the right will prevail.

But there may be some windmills to slay along the way. . . .

"ALDONZA
Why do you do these things?

DON QUIXOTE
What things?

ALDONZA
These ridiculous . . . the things you do!

DON QUIXOTE
I hope to add some measure of grace to the world.

ALDONZA
The world's a dung heap and we are maggots that crawl on it!

DON QUIXOTE
My Lady knows better in her heart.

ALDONZA
What's in my heart will get me halfway to hell.
And you, Señor Don Quixote-you're going to take
such a beating!

DON QUIXOTE
Whether I win or lose does not matter.

ALDONZA
What does?

DON QUIXOTE
Only that I follow the quest.

ALDONZA
(spits)
That for your Quest!
(turns, marches away; stops, turns bock
and asks, awkwardly)
What does that mean . . . quest?

DON QUIXOTE
It is the mission of each true knight . . .
His duty . . . nay, his privilege!

To dream the impossible dream,
To fight the unbeatable foe,
To bear with unbearable sorrow,
To run where the brave dare not go;
To right the unrightable wrong.

To love, pure and chaste, from afar,
To try, when your arms are too weary,
To reach the unreachable star!

This is my Quest, to follow that star,
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far,
To fight for the right,
Without question or pause,
To be willing to march into hell,
For a heavenly cause!

And I know, if I'll only be true
To this glorious Quest,
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest.

And the world will be better for this,
That one man, scorned and covered with scars,
Still strove, with his last ounce of courage,
To reach the unreachable stars!"

Let freedom ring! tu2

Saeed has got this one right.

Still the cost runs pretty high. Big Grin Cool


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because they saw it on tv. the arm chair experts are not hard to figure out once you read one or two of there posts.


Hooker, do you want a pillow with your armchair? :-)
 
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because they saw it on tv. the arm chair experts are not hard to figure out once you read one or two of there posts.


Hooker, do you want a pillow with your armchair? :-)


Biebs, you could loan him yours!! jumping Pillow AND armchair that is! hilbily
 
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Some of the best contributors and this goes for anything in life are those who don't follow the herd. As soon as the average guy fills up the town they leave us to our gossip, social groups, and general daily humdrum. The Boddington thread is a prime example of towny mediocrity.

Also free minded folks take free speech as seriously as the rest of us pretend to, and management axing a particularly outspoken person has the effect of turning a lot of such folks off. We are talking about people who would be frontiersmen or explorers in another generation.
 
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Just an observation nothing more. It really does not matter whether the site is losing the best contributors/worst contributors/long time contributors or newbies, the fact that people simply do not want to share their experiences and pictures with the membership because of purely petty nonsense only hurts the site and those that are actually interested in what other folks are doing and how they are doing on their hunts.

I enjoy AR because it is an international site and there are lots of really interesting folks on here that have some really interesting experiences that some folks really like reading about or seeing pictures from those hunts.

Lately however this site seems to be trying to devolve into one of the regional forums where a certain number of "Like Minded" individuals have formed their own little Kangaroo Court and anyone that does not have the exact or at minimum a very similar concept as to "How Things Should Be, In Their Estimation" is to be ostracized/labeled a troll/bullied and in general made to feel unwelcome/encouraged not to post anything/state any opinions or post any pictures.

The reason many of the local/regional sites don't last is because of the stuff listed above. It is the cliques/gangs/internet buddies that form their own little vigilante groups that openly make the effort to run people off such sites as AR.


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Biebs,
You know good and well ,my pillow and arm chair as still here in africa with me. kenya this week sa 2 weeks ago. sa and possible zim next week. did i mention kudu, bush pg Big Grin speaking of pigs the test result will be in this week well know if your daddy was the bulldog or the goat!!!!! Big Grin implala.baboons, porky pine, wart hog, have all been scratched off my bucket list Big Grin Big Grin.
 
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Crazyhorseconsulting,
tu2 tu2 tu2
and we lost several good people who posted some very interesting thing due to a moderator on the political forum. banning them for the political views. i believe the nazi has been removed from that now. but we lost some verg good people during him dictatorship.
 
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Where is jetdrvr?


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jetdrvr was band because of his political views. by the nazi
 
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Unfortunately, I don't think Martin Pieters will be returning to these boards. I know I wouldn't.

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I would guess many if not most African hunters, esp those that hunt year after year, have a type A personality that creates both the means and desire to hunt Africa. Seems natural that a group of folks like that will rub each other the wrong way at times.


Well said.
 
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Unfortunately, I don't think Martin Pieters will be returning to these boards. I know I wouldn't.

Jeff


There is no reason he shouldn't
 
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I believe this to be one of the better forums around. I really haven't posted much here other than classifieds i.e. selling components buying a gun or buying a gun or buying components. I have over the years watch quite a few threads that start of civil and then turn into a quite heated conversation. I just assumed this was standard modus operandi for the forum and I choose to stand on the sidelines and watch/learn. I never questioned it. I just assumed it was acceptable. Yesterday was the first time I post a pics of of myself and the wife where we pulled off the highway and were shooting the .458 we decided not to sell.
For some reason they were disapproved of and condescending remarks were made. And from all places TX! (I find the Texans to be the most polite,FRIENDLY! well mannered folks on the planet. Let me just say this I love TX.) So I pulled them.

I also been accused of being thin skinned and sensitive but some of the comments would never be said to me face to face especially considering my stature. Wink
On a good note I find a majority of the text here quite edifying and with actual real time pics of Safari's. Much better than any book one could find.
As far as the Alpha male thing goes I own or have owned up to 14 different tactical weapons forums on the net so I guess that would probably have placed me in in the "Alpha Male" category, but I still comport myself in a civil manner here on AR.

The thing that I really find disturbing is the lack of female participation....
I posted this on another forum the other day.
"If we only had the females on our side also, we would be a voting force to be reckoned with. But like this and other forums they get rudely ran off and pretty much told. "LOL Run along honey and go bake some muffins". Girls don't belong here!" (Google it as they say and you'll find much more. Wink)

What's with this? I am not involved in most anything that doesn't have ones of the female gender involved.
OK, I have to edit this again. Wifey and her two GF's just said that "most men hate women". They were serious. They said "women keep them from doing them things they want to do". They said, "They see us as a road block"
Huh! I have never experienced this.

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jetdrvr was band because of his political views. by the nazi


What does that have to do with African hunting?

I think Saeed and Co. should advertise who they ban?


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We actually have very simple rules.

All we ask is that members behave in a civil manner towards each other.

Any time a member threatens another one with physical violence in public, then he really should not be on the forum.

These are our rules, and if someone does not like them, he is welcome to find another forum where this sort of childish behavior is acceptable.


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Unfortunately, I don't think Martin Pieters will be returning to these boards. I know I wouldn't.

Jeff


There is no reason he shouldn't


Ther is no reason he should.

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Unfortunately, I don't think Martin Pieters will be returning to these boards. I know I wouldn't.

Jeff


There is no reason he shouldn't


Ther is no reason he should.

Jeff


Something tells me that Martin has thicker skin than you and my guess is that he understands and appreciates what is trying to be done in regards to Jeff Blair.

His reputation is too good to have Jeff Blair use his good name to try and book hunts
 
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Why should people need thick skin...if this place isn't fun, enjoyable and informative...what's the point. There's nothing really to prove by seeing how much abuse you can withstand. Informed debates are good but it seems those with the least ammunition quickly resort to personal attacks......some feel that shouting the loudest makes them right....it doesn't.
 
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I give up. Drummond, the problem when you start slinging shit is that you get some on you no matter how careful you are.

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Good point.



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My should people need thick skin...if this place isn't fun, enjoyable and informative...what's the point. There's nothing really to prove by seeing how much abuse you can withstand. Informed debates are good but it seems those with the least ammunition quickly resort to personal attacks......some feel that shouting the loudest makes them right....it doesn't.



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jetdrvr was band because of his political views. by the nazi


A real Nazi or just a pretend one?


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We actually have very simple rules.

All we ask is that members behave in a civil manner towards each other.

Any time a member threatens another one with physical violence in public, then he really should not be on the forum.

These are our rules, and if someone does not like them, he is welcome to find another forum where this sort of childish behavior is acceptable.


Are the rules in print?


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Yes they are.

You can find them under the TERMS Of SERVICE just below the forums.



"Welcome to the AccurateReloading.com forums.
They are free, all we ask in return is you obey our three suggestions. We ask you be civil to your fellow members, refrain from posting pictures not related to hunting and shooting and do not spam our board.

Thanks and enjoy.
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Yes they are.

You can find them under the TERMS Of SERVICE just below the forums.



"Welcome to the AccurateReloading.com forums.
They are free, all we ask in return is you obey our three suggestions. We ask you be civil to your fellow members, refrain from posting pictures not related to hunting and shooting and do not spam our board.

Thanks and enjoy.
Saeed and Don "


Thanks Saeed. Must be some here that are fairly borderline?


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Maybe just start the Mark Sullivan forum so people can talk about him there. That could solve a few problems and create a few more good ones popcorn I also would like to see Wendell "Fershizzle" Reich's rap video. Maybe have Marky Mark Sullivan back him up. Would be one Funky Bunch Wink


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Going slightly off topic but talking about absent members has anyone heard any news of Carolinasman by any chance?






 
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Check with ForrestB, he may have talked with him
 
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But, we always learn something.

That is the bottom line.

amen brother - and that's as close as i'm going to get into this
 
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Check with ForrestB, he may have talked with him


Thanks. I've just sent him a PM.






 
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AAZ - Admitting to the problem is the first of 12 steps. Good luck on the journey.

Your post above is a great example of the whole point of this thread. You know nothing of what you speak, beside regurgitating some innuendo and reckless accusations. My biggest "crime" on this site has been a steadfast refusal to engage in an internet trail and feed the trolls. You can't even grasp the simple fact that Nixon now uses other PH's for hunts in the concession....

But enough of wasting my time with self proclaimed blowhards. I only returned Monday from another great African safari, with one of the most respected names in the business. I had a wonderful, fantastic 9th safari. As asked by the OP, is it any wonder that I won't be posting a hunt report on this site?

Good Hunting,
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Now all the rest of the blowhards can fire away.....
 
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AAZ - Admitting to the problem is the first of 12 steps. Good luck on the journey.

Your post above is a great example of the whole point of this thread. You know nothing of what you speak, beside regurgitating some innuendo and reckless accusations. My biggest "crime" on this site has been a steadfast refusal to engage in an internet trail and feed the trolls. You can't even grasp the simple fact that Nixon now uses other PH's for hunts in the concession....

But enough of wasting my time with self proclaimed blowhards. I only returned Monday from another great African safari, with one of the most respected names in the business. I had a wonderful, fantastic 9th safari. As asked by the OP, is it any wonder that I won't be posting a hunt report on this site?

Good Hunting,
Bill

Now all the rest of the blowhards can fire away.....


The fact is Nixon presented cashiers checks that you gave him. The fact is they were reported as stolen. So the fact is one of you two is lying.

The logic is mind boggling. Let's see, I am a PH outfitter who wants to make more money. I have a client in camp who has some traveler's checks. Gee! I can make even more money by stealing his checks.

Oh but wait...if I steal the client's TCs he then leaves camp without paying trophy fees. But I am Nixon and I am an idiot so I don't even think that far.

But let's assume that is true. You get home and post a theoretical question about "what would happen if you shot the wrong elephant." Nothing else. No issues about stolen travelers checks. To the best of our knowledge you didn't even PM anyone on AR about Nixon stealing your checks. You didn't even complain to the booking agent who booked your hunt your TCs were stolen!

Six months later the booking agent comes on AR after exhausting all possibilities of getting you to pay your tab. Suddenly, we find out not only your checks were stolen, but Nixon conducted an illegal hunt and you aren't going to export your trophies for fear of a Lacey violation. But you apparently shot all of this stuff. So how did you find out AFTER you got home the hunt was illegal?

See Bill, there are just so many things that don't make sense here.

As I said, you sure you want us to remind you of everything? Do you think Aaron Nielson believes your story? Does anyone? Any posters care to come forward?? Maybe they can explain to the rest of us exactly how these things all line up in a way that exonerates you.

Well, at least you are consistent about one thing you said: you only post during work hours while you are at the University of Utah. I can see by your last post you didn't break that rule.


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I say we have big AR party here in Vegas at SCI or Shot. Folks are much more civil face to face.
If AR had a booth, you can drink alcohol at 5:01. Trust me. We partied with the DPMS crowd on the top of their trailer before. Wink
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Jerome hosted a lovely get together at the Terrace Bar in the Peppermill for the AH crowd at SCI Reno. We started at 4:30, it spilled over to RumBullions at about 9 PM, ended about 1 AM (yes we left before it got rowdy) and it was a great time! AR should do the same at SCI Vegas or DSC, even though I don't think I'll make it this year ...


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In addition to the reasons/speculations listed, from what I have seen on other sites, people just get tired and move along to another site or just stop dealing with any of them. Local/Regional sites are a hell of a lot worse than this place. The older a person gets or the more involved a person gets on these places, the greater the incident of burn out.

When a person accumulates just so many little internet enemies, the ones that always find some excuse to start crap with a particular individual it wears a person down. Instead of being an adult and growing a spine and either simply ignoring some one they hate voluntarily or using the ignore feature, they prefer to act like some little petty individual and keep sniping and that in and of itself wears on peoples nerves.

Some folks really need to develop nuts and guts. Don't like what someone else posts, say so and move along, put the person on ignore or shut the hell up. As long as it is being done within the parameters of civility that the PTB's of this or any other site have established, everyone is entitled to their opinion on any subject whether anyone else agrees with it or not.

It really displays the humanity of some individuals when they want people censored simply because they do not like those folks opinions or the way they state them.


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llamapacker, did you settle up with your latest outfitter before leaving and in cash?

For his sake, I hope so.


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Llamapacker is such a dirt bag. He just hasn't gotten what he so richly deserves yet.


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