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I couldn't agree more Larry. It's beyond my comprehension that there are (adult/productive/employed) people out there with so much time that they must lurk on internet forums waiting for the opportunity to annoy and/or harass random people for their own entertainment. It's sad and pathetic really.

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
Been a member for almost 12 years. That is a long time.

I have seen AR go through stages, fads and phases. People come and go. I left twice. I came back. (Did that make AR better? ) I dunno, don't answer that.

(anyone noticed that rhymed ... I digress)

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Better policing?

I am afraid I do not agree with you.

"better policing" means more censorship, and we are not prepared to do that here.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by impala#03:
Thanks for that observation Jerry. I went on a super buff/kudu hunt in Zambia, killed a nice cape buffalo, and a nice kudu. Had a great hunt in a very remote area on the Luangwa River. I was not about to post a hunt report only to have the armchair experts pick apart every detail of my hunt. That buff sure is soft bossed, how come that kudu so small, etc, etc, ad nausem........

I would like to post a hunt report to share with others to tell you all how good the PH was, how great a very remote camp can be or all the other details of the hunt. Until the assholes who critize others hunts shutup, I'll just keep it to myself.

Totally disagree.

For starters tell me someone who can age your Buff against a Kudu or Puku?

If you felt that your PH did his best under the time constraints and indeed the area then state it.

I have hunted Buffalo for meat and to be honest some of those hunts were the best,

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Precisely!

It was YOUR hunt, and you do not have to justify it to anyone.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
Been a member for almost 12 years. That is a long time.

I have seen AR go through stages, fads and phases. People come and go. I left twice. I came back. (Did that make AR better? ) I dunno, don't answer that.

(anyone noticed that rhymed ... I digress)

You should consider becoming a rapper...

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
Been a member for almost 12 years. That is a long time.

I have seen AR go through stages, fads and phases. People come and go. I left twice. I came back. (Did that make AR better? ) I dunno, don't answer that.

(anyone noticed that rhymed ... I digress)

You should consider becoming a rapper...

Imagine a rapping duo of Matt Graham and Wendell Reich!

I have never bought any rapper music, but I will certainly buy one by you two

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Unfortunately, a lot lately are forced to justify it, which is why they no longer post.

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Precisely!

It was YOUR hunt, and you do not have to justify it to anyone.

Saeed, that should read you shouldn't have to justify it to anyone. Unfortunately, a lot lately are forced to justify it, which is why they no longer post.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
It has been my policy to stand by what I believe in and if I decide to express it publicly, do so politely.

But I will stand by it despite anyone disagreeing or being rude, offensive or even personally insulting.

If we are to be intimidated by what others said about our views it would be a sad day for freedom of speach and even freedom of expressing one's thoughts, values and opinion.

Having said that, I wish people would keep their political comments to the political forum and not the hunting forum.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I moved them to the Misc. Forum, because they have nothing to do with African Hunting.

Also, as we seem to have an objection from the MS fan club anytime someone posts negative comments about him.

You are welcome to go to that forum and continue your discussions.

At the end of the day, a decison has to be made, and whatever decision is made, it is not going to go down well with everyone.

The doom and gloom and final days of AR have been posted many times before.

AR will remain as it ever was.

We don't have to please any advertiser by having a high number of members of posts.

People join AR to inter-act with like minded individuals from the many countries in the world.

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Originally posted by jorge:
Saeed: I have NEVER heard you say anything as sophomoric as some of the things said here by others. As far as I can remember, all you have expressed is disdain for his hunting style and ethics nothing more. I have no problems with that just as (I hope) you have no issues with me disagreeing with you for the most part.
As to being called a (sic) cheerleader, if that entails defending an individual when he's been called every name in the book unjustly, or outright lies like shooting buffalo with a 22 to incite charges, well I guess the shoe fits.. And staying on topic, I've been here a long time and people come and go. Unfortunately sometimes good ones leave and stay gone, but the bad ones keep coming back under different names and once identified, they should be thrown out with alacrity and not be allowed to remain (2thDoc is CATS and he is still here for example). I really like it here and the only way I'll leave is if you ask me to do so. Cheers, jorge

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Originally posted by Hunting For Adventure:
The original question for this topic is very good. Here is my .02:

AR without a doubt has the best knowledge base of hunting in africa anywhere on the net. There are a couple of other forums/websites that I visit but none have the experience that is found here on AR.

That being said, there is also a bit of aggression/ego on this forum as well on certain topics. It seems to me that hunt reports that aren't from $25k+ hunts in Zim, Tanz, Moz or Zambia don't get attention or respect in the hunt report section it seems. That is fine....it's just the way it is. Some hunt reports are criticized when posted, keeping others from sharing their experiences. To me it all goes back to the basic "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it". Apparently not all can agree on that though.

The forum doesn't appear very open to "first time" safari goers as it could be either. Some posters are fantastic and very welcoming to new members and generic questions that they might have. Other members come across as negative and a bit condescending. Such is life. It does make it difficult for a "newbie" to truly enter the fray though.

In a nutshell, I think this is the best resource to gain firsthand experience from experienced safari hunters on the net. It could use a bit more decency and civility though.

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
Been a member for almost 12 years. That is a long time.

I have seen AR go through stages, fads and phases. People come and go. I left twice. I came back. (Did that make AR better? ) I dunno, don't answer that.

(anyone noticed that rhymed ... I digress)

The most disturbing fad is looking down one's nose at Buffalo and Lion. 95% of these "armchair trophy judges" couldn't tell a mature Kudu or Waterbuck from a manhole cover.

In educating, we have taught to scrutinize. Yes, it's a shame. This too shall pass however.

After all, were the "good ol days" really that good? Or do we just remember the good and forget the bad? Matchkings, Ray Atkinson, Sheephunter and Linda Adams? So, now we have soft bossed Buffalo, Sark Mullivan and immature Lions. What will it be in 2016? Probably something just as controversial.

I agree, policing isn't the answer. Politeness is.

Carry on.

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Originally posted by MacD37:
Gentlemen all people have individual opinions on any subject. Those opinions are sometime very strong opinions. When that is met with an equally strong opposite opinion the two posters sometimes become angry. In most cases, even though totally 180 degrees opposite, a subject can be debated without calling names. Some people can’t do a debate because no matter each side will not admit the validity of parts or all of the opposite side, even with irrefutable proof, and try to intimidate their opponent by name calling.

IMO, not even the MS donnybrooks have caused anyone to be banned, or to leave AR on their own. Most of those who left, left because they un-masked as frauds, or were stalked by others to the point they couldn’t post anything without a straw-man stalker making their lives miserable. I have some experience with one of those who followed me from one web-site to another around the internet. He finally got tired and gave up, but made my life mud for a couple of years. Mark Cash was another one driven completely off the internet by several stalkers, people who didn’t have 1/10th the knowledge Mark had. Mark simply decided we did not need his knowledge and left the job to the know-nothings who ran him off. AR was at a loss when that happened.

The only people I’m aware of that were banned from AR where given every chance to mend their ways, but chose to continue their assault on not only other members, but went so far as to call our host a “SAND NIGGER”, and still were not banned if they would cease and desist. They chose to continue, and even though at least one of them was a very knowledgeable person, not only on African hunting, but well versed on double rifles as well. His knowledge was lost to the newcomers here, but as a result of his name calling.

Like P/F and CRF, or double trigger or single triggers, or rimless or flanged, bolt rifle or Double rifle. None of these things will ever be agreed on by all who discuss them, but they can be debated without calling names. Even heated debates do not excuse name calling.

The value is those who don’t know one way or the other can glean his knowledge from the explanations from both sides. Then you have those who buy one of the types or the other and suddenly, as if by act of God, knows everything about both sides being discussed, and makes snide remarks about anyone who disagrees with his opinion. This guy may be right in his opinion, but if so it is by accident, not experience. That, however, doesn’t mean he couldn’t be wrong as well.

These are the things that cause the name calling. That is, in my experience, when one resorts to name calling it usually indicates he has no real base for his side other than a inexperienced OPINION. Even that OPINION may very well be correct, but it is not assured just because he believes that way.

AR is one of the most, if not the only free speech web-sites on the internet, and is manned by more knowledge from actual experience than any place I know of. It is a diamond that should be protected at all costs in it’s original form!

Of course we can still persist with the name calling, and I suppose I’m the new target with this post. That’s OK let’ er fly!


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Originally posted by Hunting For Adventure:
The original question for this topic is very good. Here is my .02:

AR without a doubt has the best knowledge base of hunting in africa anywhere on the net. There are a couple of other forums/websites that I visit but none have the experience that is found here on AR.

That being said, there is also a bit of aggression/ego on this forum as well on certain topics. It seems to me that hunt reports that aren't from $25k+ hunts in Zim, Tanz, Moz or Zambia don't get attention or respect in the hunt report section it seems. That is fine....it's just the way it is. Some hunt reports are criticized when posted, keeping others from sharing their experiences. To me it all goes back to the basic "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it". Apparently not all can agree on that though.

The forum doesn't appear very open to "first time" safari goers as it could be either. Some posters are fantastic and very welcoming to new members and generic questions that they might have. Other members come across as negative and a bit condescending. Such is life. It does make it difficult for a "newbie" to truly enter the fray though.

In a nutshell, I think this is the best resource to gain firsthand experience from experienced safari hunters on the net. It could use a bit more decency and civility though.

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Originally posted by MacD37:

... but they can be debated without calling names. Even heated debates do not excuse name calling.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
There are a number of folks who look at plains game hunts with disdain; I think that might generate a sort of arrogant tone toward others that I don't think is intended but is nevertheless interpreted by newbies that way.

Personally, I like to read the hunt reports of first timers. We only have our first safari once.

....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

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