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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
J Dollar, been away for a while. I did a quick scan of the book and could not find Dan Duncan's name. Talk about self gratification what about the "hunter" that videos their hunt and gives away hundreds copies for all to see them star in their movie.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
J Dollar, been away for a while. I did a quick scan of the book and could not find Dan Duncan's name. Talk about self gratification what about the "hunter" that videos their hunt and gives away hundreds copies for all to see them star in their movie.

Do you shit in everybody's living room when you visit?

I don't know about anybody else but Saeed has only sent me copies of his videos when I asked for them, and personally I find them more enjoyable and informative overall than anything I've ever seen broadcast.

There are cheap whores in New Orleans with more class than you've been showing, at least lately.

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Originally posted by LJS:
I would encourage some of the severe critics of SCI to be a little open minded. Things are changing at SCI. Yes, there are many wealthy individuals competing for the prestige of the awards. There are also many good guys busting the asses to help the hunting community. Has it always been this way...NO. But things are improving and SCI can use our support not bashing. Larry Higgins, the president elect is a friend and I can tell you I doubt anyone here is willing to spend the time and personal resources he does to make SCI better. I have told him he is crazy but he truly is committed to ethical hunting. The "good old boys club" is on the way out.
The awards are a revenue source. People don't seem to get that. It is a marketing tool for SCI. Some guys go crazy over it and others don't participate. That doesn't make it right or wrong. We are competitive creatures and its a way to keep score.
It is a large organization and is going to have members even prominent ones stub their toes. Each issue of their newsletter has names of members who are either being tossed or censured for their actions.
Try to be a little supportive. They represent hunters and discussions like this only discredit their efforts in our behalf.
Some of the issues that keep being repeated go back ten years. Lets move on and hope for better times. I would think SCI would like nothing more than the support of AR but I wonder if AR wants to do that.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by LJS:
I would encourage some of the severe critics of SCI to be a little open minded. Things are changing at SCI. Yes, there are many wealthy individuals competing for the prestige of the awards. There are also many good guys busting the asses to help the hunting community. Has it always been this way...NO. But things are improving and SCI can use our support not bashing. Larry Higgins, the president elect is a friend and I can tell you I doubt anyone here is willing to spend the time and personal resources he does to make SCI better. I have told him he is crazy but he truly is committed to ethical hunting. The "good old boys club" is on the way out.
The awards are a revenue source. People don't seem to get that. It is a marketing tool for SCI. Some guys go crazy over it and others don't participate. That doesn't make it right or wrong. We are competitive creatures and its a way to keep score.
It is a large organization and is going to have members even prominent ones stub their toes. Each issue of their newsletter has names of members who are either being tossed or censured for their actions.
Try to be a little supportive. They represent hunters and discussions like this only discredit their efforts in our behalf.
Some of the issues that keep being repeated go back ten years. Lets move on and hope for better times. I would think SCI would like nothing more than the support of AR but I wonder if AR wants to do that.

Well said. Unfortunately your plea will undoubtedly fall on deaf ears. I have urged those that have a propensity to be critical to stop beating their chests and actually get involved and work to effectuate change. Their list of excuses is a long one, e.g., I live too far away, I tried and gave up, the organization is too far gone and it simply needs to be dismantled and started all over, the convention is a scam, the awards are a scam, blah, blah, blah. The truth is that SCI does need to be improved/changed and it will take the work of good, committed folks to effectuate that change. The reality is, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. It is easy to be a critic, harder to actually do the work. Why work to change things for the better when you can take three minutes to post a picture of dog and just ridicule the organization. Then folks want to try and sully the name of a man like Dan Duncan who has done more for hunting and conservation, through youth scholarships and other programs, than anyone on this forum, our host included. All in all, I think the solution is to let the ranters rant, and the doers should focus on doing and just leave these threads alone. Nothing productive is served by them.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
Larry,

Both were apparently awarded PH of the year in 1999.

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Originally posted by MJines:
I am confident of one immutable fact, doing nothing but complaining and slapping each other on the back in response to posts that denigrate the organization will have no impact on effectuating positive change, zip, zero, nada. But if that is how some would like to devote their efforts to preserving our hunting heritage, God bless them. I am just not going to waste my time trying to convince them otherwise. You and the others can have the last word and give the organization another good kick or two.

[EDITED: Steve, I am not being dismissive of your efforts. To your credit, at least you were engaged in the fight. Others have not even tried, all they do is criticize, complain and ridicule.]

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
J Dollar, been away for a while. I did a quick scan of the book and could not find Dan Duncan's name. Talk about self gratification what about the "hunter" that videos their hunt and gives away hundreds copies for all to see them star in their movie.

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Originally posted by Tim Ferrall:
In his own words to me, Bob Kern said that it had cost him a million dollars to win his case vs. the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The case was tossed, apparently because there was no actual proof that Kern knew of, or had committed a Lacey Act violation. At one time, I would have been a bit skeptical of this, but a close personal friend, (as straight an arrow as I have ever known), was harassed by the USFWS for 2 years. His case ended when the U.S. Attorneys' Office told the Service that there was no evidence of a Lacey violation. I sure as hell do not condone shooting any game from a helicopter, unless it was part of a legal cull, but I wouldn't trust the USFWS any further than I could throw the proverbial bull up a steep hill.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
other than as the booking agent, i have no idea how or why Bob Kern was ever prosecuted. he is not the guy who admitted in court to shooting game from a helicopter because he had done it before in Russia and thought it was legal. i thinks the feds dragged him into it when they realized that the Russians were not going to cooperate and send someone to testify as to the illegality of the act in Duncan's and Simpson's case and decided to go after a softer target. and that didn't work either. typical abuse for power by the Justice Dept...

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by jdollar:
other than as the booking agent, i have no idea how or why Bob Kern was ever prosecuted. he is not the guy who admitted in court to shooting game from a helicopter because he had done it before in Russia and thought it was legal. i thinks the feds dragged him into it when they realized that the Russians were not going to cooperate and send someone to testify as to the illegality of the act in Duncan's and Simpson's case and decided to go after a softer target. and that didn't work either. typical abuse for power by the Justice Dept...

I agree. They had no business charging him for anything.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
J Dollar, been away for a while. I did a quick scan of the book and could not find Dan Duncan's name. Talk about self gratification what about the "hunter" that videos their hunt and gives away hundreds copies for all to see them star in their movie.

Do you shit in everybody's living room when you visit?

I don't know about anybody else but Saeed has only sent me copies of his videos when I asked for them, and personally I find them more enjoyable and informative overall than anything I've ever seen broadcast.

There are cheap whores in New Orleans with more class than you've been showing, at least lately.

Not sure but I don't think he is talking about Saeed.

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that videos their hunt and gives away hundreds

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Jeffive, I didn't realize this was someone's living room. About Saeed, yes.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Jeffive, I didn't realize this was someone's living room. About Saeed, yes.

I enjoy Saeed and Larry Shores free DVDs. I would pay to buy both their DVD that they so generously give to AR members at their own costs. Most of the commercial stuff out there is crap.

Mike