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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
Not to get too far off track here I am just wondering if Martin is still standing firm and going to continue to work with Jeff Blair?

I am drafting an email to send to the rest of the safari companies listed to see if they are going to continue to work with that thief as well

Drummond,

Martin is in the bush. If you want to know where he stands, why not contact him personally? To continue to cast aspersions on the man in a public forum is rather poor form. Your desire to bury BWW while appropriate, has blinded you.

Jeff

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Larry,

There is an ethics committee that I dealt with regarding Zahir Mulla. A mister Dean was in charge of it at the time. Be forwarned that if BWW is a significant donor, you will receive significant push back particularly from Libby Grimes who is in charge of the convention.

Jeff

Perhaps. If so, that would tell us a whole lot about SCI. One thing for sure, nothing will be done if no complaint is filed.

you may not be aware of it, but SCI charges about $500 to accept a complaint and investigate it. a friend of mine contacted them to file a complaint against a Tz outfitter and was told to send them a check for $500( IIRC) along with the info AND THEY WOULD LOOK INTO IT.... first for hunters, indeed( you think maybe it mattered that the outfitter in question was a major donator)?

That is simply not true. I brought my case against Usangu Safaris and was not asked for money. After I got around the convention people, the Ethics Committee moved faurly fast. Of course my case was devastating in the amount and variety of evidence proffered.

Jeff

Jeff:

I have heard of the fee as well. I am not sure where, nor am I sure it is true. I wonder if this is possibly something new?

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

quote:

Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
Not to get too far off track here I am just wondering if Martin is still standing firm and going to continue to work with Jeff Blair?

I am drafting an email to send to the rest of the safari companies listed to see if they are going to continue to work with that thief as well

Drummond,

Martin is in the bush. If you want to know where he stands, why not contact him personally? To continue to cast aspersions on the man in a public forum is rather poor form. Your desire to bury BWW while appropriate, has blinded you.

Jeff

Jeff,

Martin and all of the other operators have been emailed and I am awaiting a response back. I understand that they may be hunting and am taking that into consideration.

Here is a copy of the email that I have sent to the operators listed. I feel it is respectful and I would appreciate an email like this if the roles were reversed. I know that a small percentage of you feel that I am singling out Martin Pieters but I assure you I am not. I have a lot of respect for Martin and expressed that in the email that I sent to him.

It would be unfair to Martin and to the other operators listed to not do business with them in the future without them knowing why.

Here is the email that was sent....

Per an unsolicited email from Jeff Blair it has come to my attention that you allow Jeff Blair of Blair Worldwide Hunting out of Flagstaff Arizona to represent you. I wanted to direct you to a thread on AccurateReloading.com where a past client of Jeff Blair tells his story of a sheep hunt that was purchased through Blair. This thread has almost 100,000 views and if you take the time to read it you will see that Jeff Blair is not a popular man

http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/3471078051/p/1


The transaction through Blair was an unmitigated disaster! Two sons spent $70,000 for a desert sheep and coues deer combo hunt for their father. This sheep hunt NEVER HAPPENED and Jeff Blair refused to return his "commission" for this. In my opinion an honest and decent man would do whatever it took to make sure that the commission was returned immediately and would then expend every effort to recoup the rest of the lost money. Basically Jeff Blair facilitated a robbery, not a hunt and he steadfastly refuses to return any of the money. He instead likens himself to a "travel agent" and says that when a flight is cancelled the travel agent still gets paid. While this may be true it's also true that the customer is also given another flight or vouchers of equivalent value. Jeff Blair offered NOTHING. $70,000 is just gone and what was supposed to be one of the best hunts that a family shared has now become a nightmare.

His response is on that thread and I would urge you to take the time to read it and understand the outrage in the hunting community based on his actions, or lack thereof.

I would also like to direct you to this thread where we are bringing this to peoples attention and asking for a public statement from the outfitters that Blair has listed as to whether you plan on continuing to allow Jeff Blair to represent you in any way, shape or form.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1411043/m/3691033881

It is my opinion as well as the opinion of others that anybody that allows Jeff Blair to book hunts for them is enabling him to continue with his unethical business practices. There are many people, myself included, that will never book a hunt with any known associate of Jeff Blair or Blair Worldwide Hunting.

I assure you that the only reason I am bringing this to your attention is because I doubt very seriously that you knew of this situation and I would hate to see an honest outfitter negatively affected because of this. I genuinely want to give you the opportunity to hear about this so you can make an informed and educated decision on whether you want to continue a business relationship with Blair.

I do look forward to your response

Respectfully,

Drummond Lindsey
(970)***-****

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
...It is my opinion as well as the opinion of others that anybody that allows Jeff Blair to book hunts for them is enabling him to continue with his unethical business practices. There are many people, myself included, that will never book a hunt with any known associate of Jeff Blair or Blair Worldwide Hunting.

Drummond, I agree with you, and appreciate you bringing this to the attention of other outfitters in your emails. For the sake of even handedness, you might want to publish the names along Martin Peters.

More to the point of voting with checkbooks. There are a handful of members here who will hunt with MP no matter what. A business can't run without loyal customers. A larger number will not hunt with MP no matter what - no trips to Africa planned, wrong country, timing, whatever. The majority have no firm plans, one way or another.

Those members considering a hunt with the named operators need to pay attention. Get the facts before casting your vote with a check. I could be wrong, but in this case MP looks like he is aware of the controversies following Blair when he writes "...I make sure paperwork is complete and all is in order." The question has been asked, thanks Drummond.

Now comes the time for answers. Certainly none of these operators are obligated to answer. But given the notoriety of Blair, it might be unwise to simply ignore the questions and hope it will go away. It will not.

I am sure Blair built his business slowly. It can be be dismantled in in the same fashion, as long as the information gets out, as long as clients know who they are dealing with, and as long as discerning operators look at who is lining their pockets.

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Originally posted by Jack D Bold:
Drummond, I agree with you, and appreciate you bringing this to the attention of other outfitters in your emails. For the sake of even handedness, you might want to publish the names along Martin Peters.

Jack,

Here is my original post on this thread. I appreciate you bringing this up as there are a few guys here that think I am singling out Martin. I know that Martin is a member here and he has responded on this thread so maybe some folks here feel that he was singled out

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
Per their latest email...

Blair WorldWide Hunting representing the finest
Outfitters around the world - Rann Hunting Safaris, Garry Kelly Safaris,
Makadi Safaris, Jan Oelofse Safaris, Muchinga Safaris, Luke Samaras Safaris,
Rudy Lubin Safaris and Martin Pieters Safaris.

I would like to hear from the guys listed above as to why they would allow somebody like Jeff Blair to book hunts for them, especially given the fact that a sheep hunter was taken for $70,000 and his story is well documented on AR

Here is a link..
http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/3471078051/p/1

This is not an indictment of the above individuals as they may not even be aware of Jeff Blairs business practices. I would like to know if they intend to allow Jeff Blair to continue to book for them though

I have tried to be as polite as possible to the operators that have been listed and have stated numerous times that I realized that they probably had no idea about Jeff Blairs business practices yet there are some here that feel I am on a witch hunt and out to get Martin Pieters. Had the roles been reversed I would have thanked somebody for bringing this to my attention and would distance myself from a person like Blair but thats just me

I received a prompt email back from Muchinga Safaris and they did thank me for bringing this to their attention. They stated that they could not comment yet as they needed to talk to Jeff Blair about this. I encouraged them to get his side of the story and also encouraged them to see his detailed response in the desert sheep thread as that response really says it all.

What it boils down to is if you decide to lay with dogs you're going to get fleas. These guys now know what Jeff Blair is about and they know that there are people out there that will refuse to do business with known associates of Blair Worldwide.

If anybody is interested in sending their own emails to these operators here is a list of the email addresses...

Machinga Safaris johndp@zamnet.zm

Garry Kelly Safaris gks@gksafaris.co.za

Martin Pieters martin@bulembisafaris.co.zw

Rudy Lubin RudyLubinSafaris@verizon.net

Luke Samaras info@samarassafaris.com

Jan Oelofse jan.oelofse@iafrica.com.na

Makadi Safaris katja@makadi-safaris.com

Jeff Rann rannsafaris@dynabyte.bw and ranch_777@yahoo.com


****EDIT****

I want to add that I am not passing judgement on any one of these operators, merely expressing my opinions on their association with Jeff Blair. I don't want anybody else to think I am on a witch hunt for these guys

FYI, I just got a voice mail from one of the family members FUCKED by Blair. They did file a complaint with SCI. SCI apparently decided that Blair did nothing wrong.

Extremely disappointing!!!!!

I am thinking of a plan to get them to reconsider.Let me think it over tonight and I will post tomorrow.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
FYI, I just got a voice mail from one of the family members FUCKED by Blair. They did file a complaint with SCI. SCI apparently decided that Blair did nothing wrong.

Extremely disappointing!!!!!

I am thinking of a plan to get them to reconsider.Let me think it over tonight and I will post tomorrow.

Was the complaint covered in a contract that would have likely favoured Blair? I am just asking - SCI cannot play sheriff in a lot of those cases. Legal action may be their only recourse. That or the Hunting Report (as much as I am cautious of them sometimes) can be a good medium to handle these disputes. Then if they get a positive result they can take it back to SCI.

It would be interesting to see the letter of response that was sent to the family member.

Bill Quimby

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They did file a complaint with SCI. SCI apparently decided that Blair did nothing wrong.

So what's it to be? - the application of moral ethics to tar and feather anyone associating themselves with Blair or business as usual because SCI are of the opinion Blair has done nothing wrong?

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
..... or business as usual because SCI are of the opinion Blair has done nothing wrong?

In this case only perhaps??

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Larry,

There is an ethics committee that I dealt with regarding Zahir Mulla. A mister Dean was in charge of it at the time. Be forwarned that if BWW is a significant donor, you will receive significant push back particularly from Libby Grimes who is in charge of the convention.

Jeff

Perhaps. If so, that would tell us a whole lot about SCI. One thing for sure, nothing will be done if no complaint is filed.

you may not be aware of it, but SCI charges about $500 to accept a complaint and investigate it. a friend of mine contacted them to file a complaint against a Tz outfitter and was told to send them a check for $500( IIRC) along with the info AND THEY WOULD LOOK INTO IT.... first for hunters, indeed( you think maybe it mattered that the outfitter in question was a major donator)?

That is simply not true. I brought my case against Usangu Safaris and was not asked for money. After I got around the convention people, the Ethics Committee moved faurly fast. Of course my case was devastating in the amount and variety of evidence proffered.

Jeff

actually, it is true. i called my friend today to verify what he had told me previously. same story. SCI wanted $500 to initiate an investigation. i suppose my buddy is lying- BUT I DOUBT IT!

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

So what's it to be? - the application of moral ethics to tar and feather anyone associating themselves with Blair or business as usual because SCI are of the opinion Blair has done nothing wrong?

Who has been tarred and feathered?

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Originally posted by jdollar:
actually, it is true. i called my friend today to verify what he had told me previously. same story. SCI wanted $500 to initiate an investigation. i suppose my buddy is lying- BUT I DOUBT IT!

Someone lied to HIM!

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

So what's it to be? - the application of moral ethics to tar and feather anyone associating themselves with Blair or business as usual because SCI are of the opinion Blair has done nothing wrong?

Who has been tarred and feathered?

You most certainly have done Martin Pieters no favors on this forum!

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

quote:

Originally posted by fujotupu:

So what's it to be? - the application of moral ethics to tar and feather anyone associating themselves with Blair or business as usual because SCI are of the opinion Blair has done nothing wrong?

Who has been tarred and feathered?

You most certainly have done Martin Pieters no favors on this forum!

And the same can be said of the others so unjustly named.

I can fully understand why some here should want to hound Blair but to do it this way is not far short of blackmail and industrial espionage the antis are liable to lower themselves to.

Those who are conducting this dirty tricks campaign on good, honest outfitters should (IMO) hang their heads in shame.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Larry,

There is an ethics committee that I dealt with regarding Zahir Mulla. A mister Dean was in charge of it at the time. Be forwarned that if BWW is a significant donor, you will receive significant push back particularly from Libby Grimes who is in charge of the convention.

Jeff

Perhaps. If so, that would tell us a whole lot about SCI. One thing for sure, nothing will be done if no complaint is filed.

you may not be aware of it, but SCI charges about $500 to accept a complaint and investigate it. a friend of mine contacted them to file a complaint against a Tz outfitter and was told to send them a check for $500( IIRC) along with the info AND THEY WOULD LOOK INTO IT.... first for hunters, indeed( you think maybe it mattered that the outfitter in question was a major donator)?

That is simply not true. I brought my case against Usangu Safaris and was not asked for money. After I got around the convention people, the Ethics Committee moved faurly fast. Of course my case was devastating in the amount and variety of evidence proffered.

Jeff

actually, it is true. i called my friend today to verify what he had told me previously. same story. SCI wanted $500 to initiate an investigation. i suppose my buddy is lying- BUT I DOUBT IT!

I did not pay $500 for my complaint to the SCI ethics committee in 2007. That is my experience. Take it or leave it.

Jeff

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

So what's it to be? - the application of moral ethics to tar and feather anyone associating themselves with Blair or business as usual because SCI are of the opinion Blair has done nothing wrong?

Who has been tarred and feathered?

You most certainly have done Martin Pieters no favors on this forum!

I am afraid the worse response was from Martin himself, no one else.

I know Martin is out hunting, and he might have had a quick answer from the bush without giving this enough thought.

Let us wait and see what he says once he is back.

Saeed,

You all are assumimg that Martin has the negative information about Blair. Unless he lives on these boards; how else is he to know about these issues with Blair? What source or sources of information would he have? I am fairly certain he was unaware of Blair's dodgy reputation. FWIW you may not see him on these boarrds again and I don't blame him.

Jeff

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Originally posted by shakari:

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
You most certainly have done Martin Pieters no favors on this forum!

And the same can be said of the others so unjustly named.

I can fully understand why some here should want to hound Blair but to do it this way is not far short of blackmail and industrial espionage the antis are liable to lower themselves to.

Those who are conducting this dirty tricks campaign on good, honest outfitters should (IMO) hang their heads in shame.

Blackmail? Industrial espionage? Dirty tricks campaign? The same could be said for Jeff Blair. Blair has taken a hit the past couple of years because he was an asshole and refused to return a commission on a $70,000+ theft that he facilitated. Most booking agents don't publicly mention the outfitters they book for unless they have exclusivity. I doubted that Jeff Blair had any exclusivity and Martin Pieters confirmed this in his response to me. Jeff Blair mentioned these guys by name BECAUSE of their good reputation. He is now piggy backing off these operators reputation to book hunts and you fellas think that I am the one conducting "blackmail and industrial espionage" and am up to "dirty tricks"? Freaking brilliant

Me not saying anything to these guys would be like me not yelling SNAKE if a snake was in a persons bed and they were about to crawl in. You guys want to give me shit about mentioning these guys publicly but lets not forget that Jeff Blair was the one that mentioned them first and he did so in an email that reached a lot of people.

Copy and paste "Blair Worldwide Hunting Reviews" into google and look at what pops up and then get back to me about being a dick. Scam, integrity questions, poor and those were the words that popped out on page 1 of the search. Every review points to Jeff Blair and the $70,000 screwing. Personally, I wouldn't want my name associated with that guy and I would be PISSED if nobody brought it to my attention

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Saeed,

You all are assumimg that Martin has the negative information about Blair. Unless he lives on these boards; how else is he to know about these issues with Blair? What source or sources of information would he have? I am fairly certain he was unaware of Blair's dodgy reputation. FWIW you may not see him on these boarrds again and I don't blame him.

Jeff

His answer in this thread would give the assumption that he knows what sort of individual Blair is.

At least that is how I understand it.

Again, I am hoping he will post his reply after reviewing all what Blair has done.

As I said in my reply to your PM, I fully understand why you want to make Blair's life a misery and don't blame you in the least for that. (In fact, I'd support you every inch of the way) ........ BUT what you're doing to these outfitters is indeed exactly what I described.

These guys will have spent decades building their good reputations and at the very least your actions could easily cost them bookings. At the worst it could put them out of business....... and that to me is not far short of unfair & unethical industrial espionage.

Go after Blair by all means and I think you're dead right to do that but I reckon you're bang out of order in the way you're trying to throw mud around in the hope some of it sticks to innocent parties.

I am all for hammering Blair out of business. Let's not forget that the family in question was not the only people screwed by the dynamic duo of Blair & Heathington. There was another gentleman in the exact same situation with the dynamic duo as well.

I don't see a problem advising the people that BWW does business with of his less than honest dealings. While I respect the rights of someone to not do business with anyone who has hunts booked by BWW, I am not sure how I feel about threatening them and/or organizing a boycott of their company.

Let's face the facts. The economy sucks. The hunting industry has been hammered. African countries aren't known for policies conducive to business, especially businesses run by white people. These operators have costs that have to be paid whether they have clients or not. I doubt most of them have deep pockets. I am really having a hard time hammering on these operators because of BWW. However, I respect the opinion of those who feel differently. I understand the logic, I am just not sure that I agree. I think these efforts would be better spent spreading the word about BWW.

Just my $.02.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
I respect the opinion of those who feel differently.

If only that were the rule and not the exception.

I am a bit at a loss here, and I hope someone might enlighten me.

A s I understand it, no one is blackmailing those who do business with Blair.

All I see is that their attention is drawn to the fact that Blair is not what he claims to be.

It is entirely up to them what they should do once they know the facts.

Saeed,

Again I respectfully disagree with you here. Post after post strongly indicates that said posters would NEVER (a long time) do business with ANYONE who dares do business with the great unwashed (BWW). It is encouraged and cheered behaviour. So call it by what title you like. Outfitters who dared to have accepted clients from BWW, no matter what the circumstances are pond scum. Martin has borne the brunt of this.

BTW: I assume all will be canceling their subscriptions to the African Hunting Gazette?

Jeff

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As I said in my reply to your PM, I fully understand why you want to make Blair's life a misery and don't blame you in the least for that. (In fact, I'd support you every inch of the way) ........ BUT what you're doing to these outfitters is indeed exactly what I described.

These guys will have spent decades building their good reputations and at the very least your actions could easily cost them bookings. At the worst it could put them out of business....... and that to me is not far short of unfair & unethical industrial espionage.

Go after Blair by all means and I think you're dead right to do that but I reckon you're bang out of order in the way you're trying to throw mud around in the hope some of it sticks to innocent parties.

+2.

We have 23 pages of this same thread on the American Big Game Hunting Forum. Why not leave it there instead of stirring another shitfest here. Or to be totally fair, start a thread on all European outfits who take the occasional hunter from Blair on the European Forum, Alaskan thread on the Alaska Forum, Asian... oh well you get the idea. Blair represents a bushel basket of outfits across the globe, why single out the African outfitters?

Drum, this has gotten so deep under your skin I feel you may have lost some perspective, and to a certain point I understand why, but to try to blackmail outfitters through a public forum is really not cool. As I said in a previous thread, I have hunted with several of the named outfits, did not book through Blair and they have all been great experiences. I count these people as friends. They HAVE NOT done what Heathington did to his clients. In fact, a quick search of hunt reports with the folks you have named show very positive feedback.

If you really want to punish Blair, head to Arizona with a pup tent, a garden stake, a piece of posterboard and a Marks-a-lot and make a sign that says "Blair screws hunters" and march in front of their office every day from 9 am to 5 pm... that should get their attention and be cathartic for you at the same time! But leave honest outfitters alone... these people have done nothing to you and have stellar reputations in the hunting community. Trying to get to Blair through them is just bad form in my opinion.

Personally, I'm glad to know about these allegations against Blair. The only contact I've had with the company is the fact that for years now they continue to send me unwanted email advertisements (Spam) and calls for business. If it wasn't for their on-line "reputation" maybe I'd have considered doing business with them, but certainly not now, not ever.

If a proper outfitter wants to protect their interests as well as that of future clients, then they should care about whose name they want to be associated with. While Blair might send some clients to reputable operators, it would behoove legitimate businesses to recognize that any customer over the age of 20 years had better do a thorough on-line check before putting a cent down on an overseas hunt. If any company or individual doesn't pass the "stink test", move on. Attempting to recoup lost funds through civil actions will probably prove futile because of jurisdictional issues or outright corruption of the countries involved.

There's also the issue of contracts.

If there was a contract for the disputed hunt and the agent reneged on it then all the complainant should have to do is take the issue to court and pursue the decision if Blair fails to pay up and there wasn't a contract on a US$70K hunt then there bloody well should have been and as I see it, whoever handed over such an amount without a contract must accept at least some of the blame.

Either way, dragging the names of innocent parties through the mud for no good reason just ain't cricket!

quote:

Originally posted by shakari:
There's also the issue of contracts.

If there was a contract for the disputed hunt and the agent reneged on it then all the complainant should have to do is take the issue to court and pursue the decision if Blair fails to pay up and there wasn't a contract on a US$70K hunt then there bloody well should have been and as I see it, whoever handed over such an amount without a contract must accept at least some of the blame.

Either way, dragging the names of innocent parties through the mud for no good reason just ain't cricket!

A lot depends on exactly what the contract says.

You've got to love the internet. Anyone with a personal ax to grind can declare themselves Judge Roy Bean and start sending people (outfitters not Blair) to the gallows just because they declare them guilty by association. So take Blair to court, file complaints with the AG in his state; of course that takes real work and effort rather than pounding a keyboard and declaring some ersatz boycott.

quote:

Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
Me not saying anything to these guys would be like me not yelling SNAKE if a snake was in a persons bed and they were about to crawl in.

Exactly right - and a perfect metaphor.

I see this as pretty simple...accepting business from Blair gives Blair credibility and improves his chances of screwing another fellow hunter.

I have no problem with anyone who books with Martin or anyone else who accepts biz from bWW. But all else equal, I would rather give my business to others.

It is not tar and feathering, blackmail, or anything else. And it isn't an internet trial either - all interested parties have equal opportunity to respond and the rest of us are free to make our choices.

And it gives operators like Garry Kelly of Garry Kelly safaris who just emailed me the opportunity to set the record straight as he has not done business with Jeff Blair in 5 or 6 years and he now knows that he is on Blairs email advertisement and can do whatever he feels he needs to do to take care of that.

quote:

Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
It is not tar and feathering, blackmail, or anything else. And it isn't an internet trial either - all interested parties have equal opportunity to respond and the rest of us are free to make our choices.

Thank you. You understand what's going on, and articulated it better than I ever could.

I heard back from the DuPlooys. Laura is concerned about the situation and has contacted BWW re: same.

Internet working like it should.

quote:

Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
And it gives operators like Garry Kelly of Garry Kelly safaris who just emailed me the opportunity to set the record straight as he has not done business with Jeff Blair in 5 or 6 years and he now knows that he is on Blairs email advertisement and can do whatever he feels he needs to do to take care of that.

That's what I'd expect any honest, hard working outfitter to do in this case. Hopefully the others are too.

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Blair represents a bushel basket of outfits across the globe, why single out the African outfitters?
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If I may I would like to re-interate a statement I made previously. I can call any booking agent in the world, tell them that I want to hunt with a particular outfitter for a particular animal and they will gladly make the phone calls to do it, regardless if they have ver used that outfitter before.
Blair lists all these "A" rated outfitters on his website, he does not represent them, he is not "their" booking agent. Truth be known he probably has not even met many of them outside of the conventions. Its like word tags on the internet. You want an elephant hunt, you google it, you get a lead to Blairs website and find Martin's company has elephant hunts. you have heard of Martin before so you naturally think that BWW represents the guy so Blair gets your business. Blair is advertizing his business with THEIR GOOD NAME not his. That in itself is unethical as hell.
I could do the exact same thing. Start an internet web based booking business. Find out who all the best outfitters are, put their name on my website and get all that free advertizing from a well known hard working ethical outfitter without them even knowing about it. Its Blair who is the crook, not the outfitters. The outfitters simply need to be informed of the proceedings and they will make the best decision for themselves

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Larry,

There is an ethics committee that I dealt with regarding Zahir Mulla. A mister Dean was in charge of it at the time. Be forwarned that if BWW is a significant donor, you will receive significant push back particularly from Libby Grimes who is in charge of the convention.

Jeff

Perhaps. If so, that would tell us a whole lot about SCI. One thing for sure, nothing will be done if no complaint is filed.

you may not be aware of it, but SCI charges about $500 to accept a complaint and investigate it. a friend of mine contacted them to file a complaint against a Tz outfitter and was told to send them a check for $500( IIRC) along with the info AND THEY WOULD LOOK INTO IT.... first for hunters, indeed( you think maybe it mattered that the outfitter in question was a major donator)?

That is simply not true. I brought my case against Usangu Safaris and was not asked for money. After I got around the convention people, the Ethics Committee moved faurly fast. Of course my case was devastating in the amount and variety of evidence proffered.

Jeff

actually, it is true. i called my friend today to verify what he had told me previously. same story. SCI wanted $500 to initiate an investigation. i suppose my buddy is lying- BUT I DOUBT IT!

I did not pay $500 for my complaint to the SCI ethics committee in 2007. That is my experience. Take it or leave it.

Jeff

this occurred last year. he was told that the number of complaints requiring investigation were becoming so numerous and time consuming that a fee was necessary.