Per their latest email...

Blair WorldWide Hunting representing the finest
Outfitters around the world - Rann Hunting Safaris, Garry Kelly Safaris,
Makadi Safaris, Jan Oelofse Safaris, Muchinga Safaris, Luke Samaras Safaris,
Rudy Lubin Safaris and Martin Pieters Safaris.

I would like to hear from the guys listed above as to why they would allow somebody like Jeff Blair to book hunts for them, especially given the fact that a sheep hunter was taken for $70,000 and his story is well documented on AR

Here is a link..
http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/3471078051/p/1

This is not an indictment of the above individuals as they may not even be aware of Jeff Blairs business practices. I would like to know if they intend to allow Jeff Blair to continue to book for them though

Things that make you go Hmmmmm ....

I would give those guys the benefit of the doubt.

All they might have known about Blaire was how long he has been in business.

Now, some enterprising character can write to them and tell them about this.

Martin Peters is a member here, and he will see this.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I would give those guys the benefit of the doubt.

All they might have known about Blaire was how long he has been in business.

Now, some enterprising character can write to them and tell them about this.

Martin Peters is a member here, and he will see this.

They may not know that their hunts were being offered by Blair either.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I would give those guys the benefit of the doubt.

All they might have known about Blaire was how long he has been in business.

Now, some enterprising character can write to them and tell them about this.

Martin Peters is a member here, and he will see this.

They may not know that their hunts were being offered by Blair either.

I agree guys and this is why I put this into my original post

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:
This is not an indictment of the above individuals as they may not even be aware of Jeff Blairs business practices. I would like to know if they intend to allow Jeff Blair to continue to book for them though

I have always felt that Martin Pieters is a great guy and incredibly knowledgeable. Martin is on my short list of people I would hunt with in Africa. I would hate to see a good reputation get tarnished by associating with known thieves here in America. This is the purpose of the thread, to make these guys aware of the fact that Blair is trying to use their names to book more hunts

I genuinely hope that those guys that Blair has listed will look at the other thread and make an educated decision based on what has gone on. Hell, Blair comes on and states that the hunters were shit outta luck and he wasn't going to refund his commission when the outfitter he vouched for ran off with all the money that was sent to him for a sheep hunt. Heathington and Blair made off with $70,000 dollars and the clients never saw a penny of it returned and never went on a sheep the sheep hunt they originally paid for.

If it were me unknowingly doing business with trash like that I would certainly want a heads up. Guys like Blair cannot be trusted, its obvious that its Jeff Blair first and everybody else a distant second

I'm wondering if this thread will make 23 pages of reading.

How could Blair be advertising and booking hunts without the Outfits knowledge??? Wouldn't they have to have some kind of contract or agreement for him to do this or is he just a low life, Blair that is?? Just wondering.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

I get mail to my house from Blair's outfit and I don't even open it. Straight to the trash every time.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
How could Blair be advertising and booking hunts without the Outfits knowledge??? Wouldn't they have to have some kind of contract or agreement for him to do this or is he just a low life, Blair that is?? Just wondering.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

My point was that the operators may not have knowledge of Blairs track record and therefore allowed him to book hunts for them. I am merely making them aware of what kind of piece of shit Jeff Blair is so they can make an EDUCATED decision as to whether or not they want to still be associated with him in any way, shape or form

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Originally posted by drummondlindsey:

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
How could Blair be advertising and booking hunts without the Outfits knowledge??? Wouldn't they have to have some kind of contract or agreement for him to do this or is he just a low life, Blair that is?? Just wondering.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

My point was that the operators may not have knowledge of Blairs track record and therefore allowed him to book hunts for them. I am merely making them aware of what kind of piece of shit Jeff Blair is so they can make an EDUCATED decision as to whether or not they want to still be associated with him in any way, shape or form

I think it's a very good and fair question to ask of these outfits personally. I also agree with LarryS..how could they possibly not know? If I were an honest/ hard working outfitter, I wouldn't want my name mentioned in the seam sentence with these Blair thieves.

Another good questions is why Blair is still allowed at SCI. He cheated a client out of thousands of dollars, refused to make ammends, refused to even return his commision. Blair would rather that the scandal he created go to court than man up and do the right thing.
Isn't this behaivor outside the guide lines of ethical conduct for SCI? Should'nt this at least be reviewed and commented on or actions taken by SCI to ensure the high standards that SCI supposedly has are not compramised by a booking agent? DSC also allows Blair at the DSC Convention
SCI/DSC kicked Mark Sullivan out of the convention for showing his video's (supposedly) yet MS never cheated or stole from anyone that I am aware of. Just comparing two individuals and their status with SCI and DSC
I have spoken to each of these individuals in the past and I can say without hesitation that I would much rather see Mark Sullivan at SCI than Jeff Blair. My impression of both these guys is MS is a gentleman, sincere and humble when you speak with him. I would relish the opportunity to speak with him again. I understand people have their issue's with him and his style of hunting, I don't.
Blair is a pompus loud mouth ass, a despicable little shit and a condecending SOB. Little man syndrom at its worst. I would rather punch him in the mouth than listen to a word out of his pie hole. SCI and DSC should review this cheating, stealing bastard and make the appropriate actions

Might as well include the following:

Superior Ammo (They advertise on his site)
Rifles Inc. (They advertise on his site)
Craig Boddington, as his picture is in the Rifle Inc ad.
Tracks Across Africa, since Craig was once the host.
SCI (Blair is a member)
Dallas Safari Club (Blair is a member)

Do not forget he accepts Visa, Mastercard, and American Express. I just shredded all of my cards.

Do not get me wrong, I would never book with Blair, would never recommend them, and would steer anybody away from him. He should be run out of the business.

There are some very good operators in that list that probably have never even heard of the incident with Blair.

I would not expect any immediate response from these guys as they are probably hunting right now not sitting in front of their computers.

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Originally posted by Saeed:...some enterprising character can write to them and tell them about this

I could be mistaken, but in the original thread I sort of recall somebody doing this already for at least one of the operators, LikeS perhaps (?).

I have asked Blair to remove me from their email list multiple times, yet they persist. I wonder if an operator/company asked them to be removed from their list/website, would they....

You are naming the top names in the industry and I dont think many of them are online on AR much. Better with a email I would think

well it sure wouldn't be the first time blair misrepresented himself

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
How could Blair be advertising and booking hunts without the Outfits knowledge??? Wouldn't they have to have some kind of contract or agreement for him to do this or is he just a low life, Blair that is?? Just wondering.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

Ya, it would be pretty hard to sell hunts for an operator, and the operator not be aware of it. Larry, a contract is not always needed - but certainly some sort of agreement would have been made.

Regardless, its an "agent" like this - that makes my job a whole lot harder. Look, IMO an agent serves one very important role in the hunting industry. That's to, with PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE/PERSONAL EXPERIENCE - help clients book hunts for species/locations/outfitters that they themselves (Client) have little to no knowledge/experience with, period!!

Unfortunately we have ALL TO OFTEN nowadays "agents" like Blair WorldWide, and many others - offering hunts to places/outfitters, and for species/trophies, that they themselves (Agent) KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, HAVE NEVER BEEN TO, nor have any personal knowledge/experience with either?????? Mind boggling!!!

Look, a truly "experienced/knowledgable" agent is IMO the very best thing that you as a traveling hunter can find, when considering your next hunt. For example, and we will keep it simple. Perhaps you want a Zim buff hunt, but don't know who/where to go? Obviously lots of options, and when talking to an individual outfitter, of course he's gonna try to sell you his hunt - its the only one he's got. But a very experienced agent, who's been there/done that numerous times, with numerous different outfitters, can listen to ALL of your wants/desires, and arrange your hunt with the outfit that fits BEST - not just the only one that fits at all. But to get this, you must deal with EXPERIENCED AGENTS! Not someone like the dozens of agents we have around today, who've been on 3 hunts in their whole life, but by George they are a booking agent!!! Good grief!

I see it all over the place, right here on AR too (all the time)! "Agents" selling hunts to outfits/locations/species, and they know absolutely no more about it, than the folks they are trying to sell to!!!!!! Its the blind, leading the blind. Awful!!!!!! One week the outfitter is here on AR asking for good agents to use (nothing wrong with that) and the next week some agent here on AR is selling his hunts, really?

Look, I get outfitters ALL the TIME - almost daily, wanting me to represent their hunts. And like some guys here, I too sell alot of hunts. But almost without exception, me/my guys DO NOT sell hunts to places that we have NOT been ourselves. How do you sell something, that you know nothing about, or have never been to? You can't, certainly not if you are trying to be ethical/honest about it.

I just got back myself from Argentina a couple of days ago - all big game hunting stuff. Well, this trip served two purposes for me. First, we made a great TV show, and second, I now have the personal experience I need to sell Argentina big game hunts. Of which, I did NOT personally sell before - as I had no personal knowledge/experience. Same reason I'm going to Spain in December. I'm wanting to expand my base of hunts offered currently, but I refuse to do so - without the personal experience needed to do my job correctly and honestly! Why do I sell so many hunts to Africa, well - I've personally hunted there over 30 times, and I leave again next Friday for another 3 week safari. I don't know every inch of Africa, but I know this - if I'm offering you a hunt to the "dark continent", there's a damn good chance that I've already walked the same dirt, and hunted the same species that I am recommending you hunt too!!!

"Agent sir, I want a lion hunt in Africa". Ok client, I got just the one for you. This outfitter contacted me two weeks ago, and told me what a great hunt/area this is, and so now I'm selling it to you. Agent sir, have you ever been there? Nope, but don't worry - I know his sister! Agent sir, have you ever hunted lion before - that way you can give me knowledgable info about what to expect, how to do it, etc? Nope, but don't worry its easy - just hang meat in a tree, and they come running. Oh, and make the check payable to......

Folks, let this be Aaron Neilson's public service message to the hunting industry, and all the AR members/clients that I consider friends. If you are looking to book future hunts - with an agent of any kind, which you should. PLEASE ask them some very basic/helpful questions. Like, have you sir ever been to this exact place, have you sir ever actually hunted some of these species yourself, etc. In other words, "qualify" your agent, thus you know he's "qualified" to be working on your behalf. Of course, JMO.

Guys I am hunting at the moment but briefly Blair is Not my agent! Do they send me clients, yes.... When I do business with them or anyone else, I make sure paperwork is complete and all is in order.
I am sure other operators are the same

Marty

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Superior Ammo (They advertise on his site)
Rifles Inc. (They advertise on his site)

A couple of years ago I contacted both of these companies about their "support and endorsement" of Blair.

Both, at the time, denied any support, endorsement or even knowledge they were represented on Blair's site.

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Originally posted by jjbull:

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Superior Ammo (They advertise on his site)
Rifles Inc. (They advertise on his site)

A couple of years ago I contacted both of these companies about their "support and endorsement" of Blair.

Both, at the time, denied any support, endorsement or even knowledge they were represented on Blair's site.

He probably just links to them. Not uncommon to link to other sites you like without any compensation.

Git a rope and we'll hang 'em all!

Come on guys, trying to tie a connection to these companies and individuals is not fair. I'm sure that, like Martin Pieters, many have no knowledge of Blair nor any kind of formal agreement with them.

But the hell with facts, let's proceed with another internet hangin' on AR.

[ DSC also allows Blair at the DSC Convention].

Flat out untrue. Blair hasn't been an exhibitor at DSC for many, many years.

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Originally posted by Ricardo:
[ DSC also allows Blair at the DSC Convention].

Flat out untrue. Blair hasn't been an exhibitor at DSC for many, many years.

He may not have been there, but he has not been officially barred from attending

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:

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Originally posted by jjbull:

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Superior Ammo (They advertise on his site)
Rifles Inc. (They advertise on his site)

A couple of years ago I contacted both of these companies about their "support and endorsement" of Blair.

Both, at the time, denied any support, endorsement or even knowledge they were represented on Blair's site.

He probably just links to them. Not uncommon to link to other sites you like without any compensation.

Wendell, your a smart dude! I really had not thought of that. BWW could list anyone or anything they want on their website, regardless of the truth. I am simply impressed with your ability to see thru these kinds of things or maybe I am just another idiot

HOLD THE ROPES MIKE - DONT HANG MARTIN JUST YET. Besides, I might want to go hunting with him someday

Before this turns into a 12 page shit slinging contest let me say this. I have hunted with Makadi Safaris, Muchinga Safaris and Martin Pieters multiple times and these outfitters are among some of the finest in all of Africa and fantastic people who have never "burned" anyone. Please do not try and tar and feather them because Blair occasionally sends one or two clients their way.

These good folk have to feed and clothe their kids, their staff and keep a roof over their heads doing a job they love in a tough and politically challenging environment. I can and will vouch for any of them and hunt with them again, the good Lord willing! So let's follow LionHunter's advice and not jump to conclusions put away the ropes, pitchforks and torches for the time being...

Just my $.02

Russell,

Great post from somebody with real world experience.

I also have hunted multiple times with Martin and deeply respect him as a PH, outfitter, and businessman. I also consider him a friend. Muchinga is on my list when go to Zambia. Others I recognize as outstanding operators.

Hopefully this does not get out of hand.

I should have added that I have hunted with Makadi Safaris in Namibia and know and am friends with both Diethelm and Katja as well as Diethelms' parents, who founded Makadi many years ago. They are honest and reliable families and I have never heard a single negative word about any of them. I visit with them annually. You couldn't ask for more, especially for a family safari, than you will get from them.

I also consider Larry Barnet of Superior Ammunition to be a friend and he has loaded for me for many years. At DSC I had the pleasure of hooking up Larry with Michael458 and Dan from CEB for what we all believe will be a successful commercial supplier of the B&M ammo in Superior Ammunition.

The problem here is that Blair is touting his services by suggesting that he "represents" any number of "A" list outfitters.

Martin Pieters has stated that, in his case, that's not true. He has indicated that Blair is not his agent.

Martin, and any other outfitter that Blair is lying about, should tell Blair to cease and desist.

Better yet, they should stop doing business with Blair.

Stink does rub off, like it or not.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
The problem here is that Blair is touting his services by suggesting that he "represents" any number of "A" list outfitters.

Martin Pieters has stated that, in his case, that's not true. He has indicated that Blair is not his agent.

Martin, and any other outfitter that Blair is lying about, should tell Blair to cease and desist.

Better yet, they should stop doing business with Blair.

Stink does rub off, like it or not.

I agree.

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
The problem here is that Blair is touting his services by suggesting that he "represents" any number of "A" list outfitters.

Martin Pieters has stated that, in his case, that's not true. He has indicated that Blair is not his agent.

Martin, and any other outfitter that Blair is lying about, should tell Blair to cease and desist.

Better yet, they should stop doing business with Blair.

Stink does rub off, like it or not.

I agree.

so do i; I am inclined not to book with anyone who accepts business from Blair. If all outfitters complied, Blair would be out of business.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
The problem here is that Blair is touting his services by suggesting that he "represents" any number of "A" list outfitters.

Martin Pieters has stated that, in his case, that's not true. He has indicated that Blair is not his agent.

Martin, and any other outfitter that Blair is lying about, should tell Blair to cease and desist.

Better yet, they should stop doing business with Blair.

Stink does rub off, like it or not.

I agree.

so do i; I am inclined not to book with anyone who accepts business from Blair. If all outfitters complied, Blair would be out of business.

You can put a +3 down on that one from me as well!

If you're an outfitter, and BWW is a booking agent, and you as an outfitter do business with him by accepting a few clients from him as a booking agent, how is he not acting as your booking agent? It might not be an exclusive arrangement, but he's still your agent. Unless I'm missing something!

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

You can put a +3 down on that one from me as well!

If you're an outfitter, and BWW is a booking agent, and you as an outfitter do business with him by accepting a few clients from him as a booking agent, how is he not acting as your booking agent? It might not be an exclusive arrangement, but he's still your agent. Unless I'm missing something!

Make it four. To paraphrase a great man, evil will persist as long as the good folks do nothing. It is NOT ok to justify accepting business from this man because the original fraud did not concern you. It smacks of loving the man's dollar while forgetting about principles - think hunting in Zim's confiscated farms. No sir, not for me.

I would hope that those "sponsors" would pressure BLAIR into removing the association. As I said in the past, I can only vote with my checkbook. Looks like a few outfitters won't get my vote.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
The problem here is that Blair is touting his services by suggesting that he "represents" any number of "A" list outfitters.

Martin Pieters has stated that, in his case, that's not true. He has indicated that Blair is not his agent.

Martin, and any other outfitter that Blair is lying about, should tell Blair to cease and desist.

Better yet, they should stop doing business with Blair.

Stink does rub off, like it or not.

I agree.

so do i; I am inclined not to book with anyone who accepts business from Blair. If all outfitters complied, Blair would be out of business.

I agree also. I will never spend a dime with anyone linked with Blair's website, whether they know it, condone it, deny it, or whatever else. Never.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
The problem here is that Blair is touting his services by suggesting that he "represents" any number of "A" list outfitters.

Martin Pieters has stated that, in his case, that's not true. He has indicated that Blair is not his agent.

Martin, and any other outfitter that Blair is lying about, should tell Blair to cease and desist.

Better yet, they should stop doing business with Blair.

Stink does rub off, like it or not.

Actually,

The way I understand it, although Blair does not officially represents Martin. He DOES send Martin clients!?

This means they have no official agreement of representation, but both use each other services to benefit both.

This in itself does not reflect negatively on Martin, as we have not had anyone complain about him.

But, it does raise the question of whether people like Martin still wish to be associated with proven crooks like Blair.

I would also wager that all other quality outfitters he does claim to represents, are unaware of his terrible reputation.

I think we have to be very careful here.

And leave it to the individuals and companies to make up their own minds.

Of course, once they know what Blair does represents to the hunting community, and still wish to be associated with him, we might let them know that we might not wish to deal with them any more.

They have a choice, and we have a choice too,.

I would not suggest that any blame attaches to any outfitters or companies whose name Blair is using without their knowledge.

Nor to any of those who don't know about his reputation.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, if someone, in the interest of truth and justice, were to give them all a heads up.

I have no experience with Blair other than they send me the usual e-mail blasts you all get and call me every couple of months. Based solely on what I've heard here on AR (which I've told them), and the fact that I book direct and don't use agents (which I've told them as well), I've told them I am not interested now, and will not be interested during this lifetime. That is about as plain as I can make it.

They still call back every couple of months. Persistent bastards, I'll give them that.

Gentlemen, I run an above board safari company under adverse conditions! I try to preserve and protect wildlife through consumptive use again during very difficult trying times.
If some choose not to book with me because of the fact that I am trying to stay in business for the preservation of wildlife and for the future of hunting in Zimbabwe, then that s entirely their choice!
Who knows you may book with someone that has far larger spiders in their closet!

Cheers

Mart

Martin,

You are right in what you say, as long as the behaviour of Blair was not known to you.

From a personal point of view, I would avoid dealing with any individual or company who I know have behaved in such a manner with a fellow hunter.

Ultimately, we make our choices, and we don't have to justify them to anyone.

Mr. Pieters:

I don't know you but I think you're choosing the wrong side on this issue. Willingly associating with Blair would indicate that you are at a minimum ignoring or condoning their ethical lapses. I understand you need clients but by choosing to stay with Blair, it might and IMO, probably will cost more than you gain. In addition, adverse conditions don't change right to wrong or vice versa. We have a saying in Texas, "Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas."

I think you should sit back and reflect on this issue and all its aspects before committing yourself.