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I think your model 12 must be someones favorite Hunting Slug gun. I'll bet it's a dandy too. I'm not an expert but have never seen a 12 with those sites. The Riot guns were single bead. Military had Heat shield hand-guards and a bayonet lug.
I think that the only thing Phil's Old Ugly is lacking is a Bayonet Lug. Pretty sure Phil knows how to use that tool as well.


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Just as I thought, a one-off, customized Model 12 safe queen, with no "collector value."
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If one had to stick with one hunting bullet,
one could do worse than the Barnes TSX 450-grainer.
Pair it with a 450-grain FN solid North Fork, etc.)
whether in .458 WIN, .450 Dakota, or 460 Wby.
+ 2400 fps with all of that spectrum of chamberings.
 
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An excellent target bullet capable of one-hole accuracy:


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Is this the same "Riot" as your gun ?

Mine was made the same year as the African .458 WIN was released upon the world.
I was wondering if mine was factory restocked/refinished and rifle sights installed as a sort of custom deal,
or is it just a near perfect regular "Winchester Model 12 Riot" ?

I will not be ringing that forearm with a rattail rasp, like I did to the Marlin 120.
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My riot gun has no rifle type sighting equipment. What it does have is the letters "FPD" (for "Franklin [TN] Police Department) stenciled in white paint on the butt plate.
It is essentially a short barrel Model 12 with an unplugged magazine, allowing a full load of seven cartridges.
 
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Bill,
I reckon your Model 12 "Riot Gun" in similar condition would be worth twice what my Model 12 "Safe Queen" is worth.
The trick is to find an FPD Riot Gun in excellent condition.
Then again, the FPD marking might add "provenance value."
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By a wonderful God Wink, the .458-cal./ 480-gr Woodleigh HYDRO is 1.473" long, made of brass, without the plastic cap on it.
Almost identical to the 1.470" length of the copper "TSeXacto" aka ".458 T-sex."
Might as well call the .458-cal/ 480-gr T-sex the "HYDRA."
HYDRA hollow point and HYDRO solid.
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Now that we have perfected the monometal copper payload for the .458 WIN-V 3.6",
I might finish up some cast bullet loads,
whenever the weather allows.

It also occurs to me that the .458"/ 480-gr T-sex monometal copper hollow point
would be a great shape to make into an FNGC cast bullet.
Plumb sexy !
Might become a .461"/ 570-grainer in 92/5/2/1 alloy,
for perfection of Selous Ruse loads in any SAAMI .458 Win.Mag. at ShortCOL.
Super loads in a .458 WIN-V 3.6".
A .458 WIN-V 3.8" would be wasted on this bullet,
maximized for 3.6" COL.

But first, some fun with this cutie ...

... which should mimic the old .450 EX, .450 NE, and beyond,
for THE MISSION, believe it or don't.
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We still have members who PM instead of asking here at THE MISSION for a review of bullet tricks from Bubba Gunwerks.
Bubba has added a few new tricks:

 
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Bubba MacGyver!


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"Bubba" by the grace of God.
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boom stick,

Buy a donkey for those flowers, buy a buy a donkey.

Now for the hollow point enlargement tutorial:

 
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A thought:
The .458"/ 450-gr TSX could be made to fit 3.6" COL exactly, instead of the 3.68" COL when seated on the 4th/last cannelure.
Only have to take off 0.080" length from the tip of the bullet.
Then the hollow point could be chamfered and drilled for weight reduction.
At 433 grains and 2500 fps (25" barrel) it would produce 6010 ft-lbs.

Some folks turn up their noses at an all-purpose big game rifle that will not do 2500 fps.

The scarce 400-grain HV for Everyman's all-purpose SAAMI .458 Win.Mag. easily does +2500 fps at 3.395" COL,
even in Marcella's 23" McGowen barrel.
This bullet could thus have a stand-in,
and a more powerful one at that:

The .458"/ 433-gr TSeX bullet at 2500 fps, SD = 0.295.
.458"/ 440-gr SD = 0.300.
Just a thought.
Even a Registurd Democratic Party Member could do it.
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Ought to work at 3.600" COL even in a .458 Lott,
though you might have to seat it with a driving band smack-dab on the case mouth,
lousy crimp location,
instead of the cannelure/groove,
or trim the Lott brass shorter.
Reaction of a typical .458 Lott shooter or Democratic Party member, but I repeat myself, is seen below:



Those Democratic-Party-member-.458-Lott-shooters are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
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Buy a donkey for ringing THE MISSION bell.

Mystery solved: 440.0 grains and 1.432" exactly:

 
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The 440-grain TSiX ought to expand on impact with any sort of varmint, I reckon.

.458/ 440-grainer SD = 0.300
440-grainer at 2480 fps = 6010 ft-lbs KE.
Close enough to 2500 fps for government work.

.458/ 480-grainer SD = 0.327
480-grainer at 2380 fps = 6038 ft-lbs KE.
Might as well change the model name of that one to TSiX also, so, .458/ 480-gr and 440-gr TSiX.
440-grain T6 for thin-skinned varmints.
480-grain T6 for thick-skinned varmints.
480-grain X-TSX-SS (Semi-Solid) is the magazine filler for backup use in all varmint work,
the charge stopper.
Impervious to magazine battering.

More than enough for government work.

Who said the .458 WIN has trouble doing 5000 ft-lbs?
Not anyone in the know.
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