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RC, I had reconciled things on this till you brought this up. Why , if one is skilled enough to put on a proper kill shot at 927, why would the 6.5 be a problem? It seems to have adequate velocity and or energy at 500 to kill cleanly? Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Not all 6.5mm bullets are propelled at the same velocity. I'm sure you know that. I really don't want to get into a discussion about how much momentum and energy is required to ethically take a protected, valued, and managed big game animal. You can do that yourself and come to your own conclusion. A 6.5 Grendel has a 35 grain case capacity and fires a 120 grain bullet at around 2400. It's a 150 yard deer cartridge, not a 500 yard deer cartridge. Now if you want to talk .260 Remington, 6.5 Creedmoor , 6.5x55, 6.5 Remington magnum, .264 Winchester magnum etc, there's no issue. | |||
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Instead of opening another can-o-worms with the above question, I suggest that you go here: http://www.hornady.com/ballist...allistics-calculator Run the program on the old favorite 30-30, see the results at 100 yds. That, IMO, is a good standard of minimum poop - steam - punch (PSP) - or whatever you want to call it to avoid the infernal "E" word. The 6.5 Grendel runs out of sufficent PSP, somewhere near or just past 200 yds. I'm figuring the Hornady factory 123 AMax load at 2500+ MV. BTW, I'm having a 6.5 Grendel built on a Ruger PPC action. Should be just fine for the ranges I shoot.  I think it's a dandy cartridge, but I have no issues in respecting its limitations. The way I think of it is if the 257 Roberts is a great deer cartridge, then the 6.5 Grendel is too.KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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 . The Grendel compared to a quarter and a business card  | |||
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....for animals less than 50 pounds | |||
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That could be a challange. There's all kinds of means of pushing the limits, and setting goals.  For example, see that quarter in your picture? At the range at which my new Grendel shoots groups bigger than that quarter, with my best handloads, off the bench -- that's the range at which I limit my shots at deer with that rifle. Does that challange meet your high standards?Limiting my deer harvesting to fawns? Well, not in my plans. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Seeing how big a deer you can kill with the pea shooter? Don't make me call you CMJ! (carpetman junior)  | |||
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I owe you one. But that is funny.  Notice that nowhere have I mentioned Blue Dot. Every person on this forum who I have argued or debated with has influenced me to consider their POV, including you and Carpetman. You have influenced me to consider extending my range. Carpetman has nudged me in the direction of minimal deer cartridges. As in both cases, I'll move only so far. I haven't yet decided re range, but with the minimal deer cartridge, I have set my comfort level at the 6.5 Grendel. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Take one of your nice custom rifles with a Leupold, get some Stoney point target knobs they make for Leupold, print a drop chart for your load and go have fun experimenting at the range or anywhere you can stretch it out a bit. You'll be amazed at what you can do and what you already own that will fit the bill. I took a 100 pound, 20 year old girl to the range and had her consistently hitting steel at 760 yards with my .300 win mag shooting a 208 grain A-Max. | |||
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RC, Thats interesting data, however my point is actually comparing the 6.5 at 497 and the 7mm at 926. I would be interested in those numbers. I have no idea where to get the 926 yard energy number. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Which 6.5 and 7mm, firing which bullet at what velocity? The only way to compare them is to know the respective bullets and their muzzle velocity. Downrange momentum and energy can be calculated. Also, your friend with the slow motion shotgun shot thread has a question for you | |||
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Ng, you have to interpolate that number. Here's how I would do it with the Hornady calculator. Go to Midway site, pick out one of the best 7mm bullets for BC. Should be in the .5?? range. Estimate the muzzel velocity conservatively. Input the numbers for the long range selection on the Hornady site. It will give energy out to 1000 yds. So figure about what the number is between 900 and 1000 yds. KB Here is a HUNTING bullet that I've been curious about which I can see has long range potential out to 900 + yds, with enough remaining energy, starting at about 2800fps. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewP...productNumber=193951 Lots of drop at long range, but the energy levels hold well, using the 30-30/100yd energy measure threshold. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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The bullet weight and type used in the vid vs the one in the 6.5 mule deer thread, just want to compare apples / apples. I think the 7mm saum is still around 1000# or more at 1000 yards but don't have data. And I am scared to go back to Mr Hitchcox thread, I saw your back and forth with him , he uses to many explosives and bladed tools for my liking  You will debate.............he might kill!! Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Ha! He's in England, so I wouldn't worry about it! From my table you can see the Grendel has a pathetic 657 ftlbs of energy at 497 | |||
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