Outfitter: Danny McCallum Safaris

Agent: Global Hunting Resources

Location: Lukwati Game Reserve (South)

Species: Lion/Leopard/Buffalo & PG packages

Dates: Multiple, please see options below


Folks - Below are some options to hunt this year in Tanzania, with Danny McCallum Safaris, at reduced rates. Danny has a long-time client who brings his son each year on a 2x2, in which they generally hunt lion/leopard, 3-5 buffalo each, etc, etc. They are again booked for September 2012, but because of business obligations, the father/son duo will not be able to make it this year. Thus, opening up some excellent hunting opportunities for this coming season, with some excellent species available.

Lukwati South is an excellent area, with very good game populations. Most notably a large buffalo herd, which is excellent for cats, and rarely can a better place for huge Sable be found. Danny generally guided this special client himself, and always made sure they had an excellent area, and prime opportunities.

Arrival/Departure point is Arusha, Tanzania. See the following link for more info/pictures - http://www.globalhuntingresour...unt-tanzania-dms.htm

1x1 16 day lion hunt
Safari cost $51,400 plus a surcharge of $27,500 if a lion is taken
Dates 19th August - 3rd September or
4th - 19th September (I can guide this hunt personally)
Area Lukwati Game Reserve (South)

2x1 16 day lion/leopard hunt
Safari cost $39,400 plus per hunter plus a surcharge of $27,500 for a lion and $20,500 for a leopard if either or both are taken
Dates 19th August - 3rd September or
4th - 19th September (I can guide this hunt personally)
Area Lukwati Game Reserve (South)

1x1 14 day leopard hunt
Safari cost $45,800 plus a surcharge of $20,500 if a leopard is taken
Dates 21st July - 3rd August or
19th August - 1st September or
6th - 19th September
Area Lukwati Game Reserve (South)

Included in the safari cost:
Accommodation in a mobile tented camp
Government fees
Concession fees
Trophy handling fees
Air charters (based on shared charters on given dates)
Rifle permits (2)
Beer, wine and soft drinks

Excluded in the safari cost:
Surcharge for lion / leopard (includes the normal trophy fee)
Additional air charter costs should there be any changes in dates or number of passengers on shared charters
Trophy fees (except for lion or leopard)
Hotel accommodation in Arusha
Flying Doctor membership (recommended)
Spirits and champage
Tips
Personal expenses
Baiting car if requested


Quota allocations (pending availability at time of booking)

Lion hunt:
Lion
Buffalo (2)
Bushpig
Hippo
Hartebeest
Greater kudu OR eland
Sable
Reedbuck
Warthog
Zebra

Leopard hunt:
Leopard
Buffalo (2)
Bushpig
Impala
Hartebeest
Baboon
Sable
Reedbuck
Warthog
Zebra

You can email me directly at globalhunts@aol.com for a full list of trophy fees, plus any additional questions you may have.

If trophy fees for lion and leopard are 6000 and 4000 approximately, where do these surcharges come in at 27K and 20K? New govt. fees?


Mike

Am I reading this right at over $65K for a Leopard??

Aaron, this is quite a dilemma. I think I have a solution. Tell the client to go ahead and pay the balance of the 2x1 16-day hunt, just like normal. I will take his place, no strings attached, and make sure that his son has an excellent time. I would be honored to have you guide us. Please PM me an “OK” and I’ll reserve the September dates in my calendar. Regards, Bill

[QUOTE]Originally posted by retreever:
If trophy fees for lion and leopard are 6000 and 4000 approximately, where do these surcharges come in at 27K and 20K? New govt. fees?
Mike


if 27k and 20k and $3212.50/day are the reduced rates, i will need a second home mortgage. Bill is right- a big dilemma. hope however buys it posts a report- wish it was me but if i spent 100k for a 16 day lion hunt but i would be suffering through divorce #4.

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Originally posted by retreever:
If trophy fees for lion and leopard are 6000 and 4000 approximately, where do these surcharges come in at 27K and 20K? New govt. fees?


Mike

Mike - the normal rates are over $75K, plus trophy fees, are you following me?? Now, the hunt is offered at a reduced day rate, with a higher fee (surcharge) call it whatever you want, if/when a lion is taken for example.

The price has nothing to do with govt fees, etc. Please don't read something into it, that's not there.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

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Originally posted by retreever:
If trophy fees for lion and leopard are 6000 and 4000 approximately, where do these surcharges come in at 27K and 20K? New govt. fees?


Mike

Mike - the normal rates are over $75K, plus trophy fees, are you following me?? Now, the hunt is offered at a reduced day rate, with a higher fee (surcharge) call it whatever you want, if/when a lion is taken for example.

The price has nothing to do with govt fees, etc. Please don't read something into it, that's not there.

Looks like the "Fairgame Effect" has reached Tanzania.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by retreever:
If trophy fees for lion and leopard are 6000 and 4000 approximately, where do these surcharges come in at 27K and 20K? New govt. fees?


Mike

Mike - the normal rates are over $75K, plus trophy fees, are you following me?? Now, the hunt is offered at a reduced day rate, with a higher fee (surcharge) call it whatever you want, if/when a lion is taken for example.

The price has nothing to do with govt fees, etc. Please don't read something into it, that's not there.

Looks like the "Fairgame Effect" has reached Tanzania.

Frostbit - In this case, you sir are exactly correct.

I don't think fairgame is looking at a 3100 daily rate however.

Jeff

WOW! that is alot of money. I just realised I will never hunt Tansania!! Someone is making some good money.

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
I don't think fairgame is looking at a 3100 daily rate however.

Jeff

Jeff

Certainly not in my case. I was simply referring to the structure of the pricing with the added cost after success.


Cheers
Jim

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Originally posted by nube:
WOW! that is alot of money. I just realised I will never hunt Tansania!! Someone is making some good money.

HOLY COW been twice to Tan. won't be going back at these rates. Dang things have gotten expensive there. Aaron not flaming you just did not realize prices had gone up this much since 05

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1x1 16 day lion hunt
Safari cost $51,400 plus a surcharge of $27,500 if a lion is taken
Dates 19th August - 3rd September or
4th - 19th September (I can guide this hunt personally)
Area Lukwati Game Reserve (South)

2x1 16 day lion/leopard hunt
Safari cost $39,400 plus per hunter plus a surcharge of $27,500 for a lion and $20,500 for a leopard if either or both are taken
Dates 19th August - 3rd September or
4th - 19th September (I can guide this hunt personally)
Area Lukwati Game Reserve (South)

1x1 14 day leopard hunt
Safari cost $45,800 plus a surcharge of $20,500 if a leopard is taken
Dates 21st July - 3rd August or
19th August - 1st September or
6th - 19th September
Area Lukwati Game Reserve (South)

Included in the safari cost:
Accommodation in a mobile tented camp
Government fees
Concession fees
Trophy handling fees
Air charters (based on shared charters on given dates)
Rifle permits (2)
Beer, wine and soft drinks

Excluded in the safari cost:
Surcharge for lion / leopard (includes the normal trophy fee)
Additional air charter costs should there be any changes in dates or number of passengers on shared charters
Trophy fees (except for lion or leopard)
Hotel accommodation in Arusha
Flying Doctor membership (recommended)
Spirits and champage
Tips
Personal expenses
Baiting car if requested



You can email me directly at globalhunts@aol.com for a full list of trophy fees, plus any additional questions you may have.[/QUOTE]

What's the story on the surcharges for Lion and Leopard Aaron?
The official values for these cats are constant and definitely not the figures you have quoted
While you are entitled to charge whatever you like for Your cats, these surcharges have just disseminated misinformation regarding trophy fees on Lion & Leopard in Tanzania as per some immediate reactions.

He's splitting up the daily rates so they are not all up front. Part of the daily rate is dependant on success. So IF you shoot a lion or leopard you pay the full daily rate. If you don't take a lion or leopard you don't pay the full daily rate and get a discount. The trophy fees are the same.

Brett

Weather you like the prices or not or can afford them or want to pay them for that mater is one thing. I'm my oppinion regardless of the cost of the hunt this is a VERY fair way of pricing these super expensive hunts especially when the sucess of taking an elephant or lion in Tanzania is far from a certain thing.

Brett

Aaron is a big boy, Brett, I'm sure he can answer for himself

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
Aaron is a big boy, Brett, I'm sure he can answer for himself

Indeed. That said I'm reasonable certain that's exactly what he would have said.

Brett

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
Aaron is a big boy, Brett, I'm sure he can answer for himself

Indeed. That said I'm reasonable certain that's exactly what he would have said.

Brett

Without the typo's.

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
He's splitting up the daily rates so they are not all up front. Part of the daily rate is dependant on success. So IF you shoot a lion or leopard you pay the full daily rate. If you don't take a lion or leopard you don't pay the full daily rate and get a discount. The trophy fees are the same.

Brett

Fujo - Come on man, you're a smart guy! Did Brett or I really need to explain this to you? I already explained this once before. I'm assuming you didn't read the post by "Retreever" above, or my response?

Obviously as the hunts were delayed, leaving the quota open - and getting late in the booking season. The day rate price is reduced, with a surcharge/higher trophy fee/whatever you wish to call it, based on success or lack there of, by the hunter. The "original/normal" trophy fee for lion/leopard is included in the successful surcharge, paid only if the cat is taken.

if it were anyone but Danny and a handful of other operators offering this kind of a deal, I would have said that the PH would have come with strict instructions to "make sure" both cats are taken. The lure of pocketing an extra $48k of revenue is rather enticing for the outfitter I would think! And the risk of shooting a bordeline lion as a result of pressure to achieve this pretty high too....

$80,000 for a lion? Barrrrrf!!!!

465H&H

then this is not a discounted hunt, therefore, does not belong on this forum.

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Originally posted by lb404:
then this is not a discounted hunt, therefore, does not belong on this forum.

Outfitters - Offered and Discounted Hunts

Fair way to price a hunt like this IMO. Look at every hunt in Tanzania outside the Selous and you'll see daily rates for lion/leopard starting around $75,000 plus trophy fees. If you don't get your lion, your still out the $75,000. In this case if you don't get your lion, it doesn't sting QUITE as much.

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Originally posted by lb404:
then this is not a discounted hunt, therefore, does not belong on this forum.

Huh?

I have seen hunts offered like this in both Zim and TZ. In fact, my last 2 lion hunts were priced this way although the dollars were different. I think it is a great way to price hunts. Pay for performance.

In the final analysis, these hunts are extremely expensive. I understand a lot of it. Lukwati is a very remote area. I have hunted there. Bringing all necessary items into such a remote location is expensive. The government there has drastically changed the fees paid for the concessions, etc. Fuel costs are WAY up.

A leopard hunt will be approaching $100,000 all in including charter (probably in the range of $8,000), airfare, tips and other miscellaneous costs. Just the daily rate and trophy fee alone equate to $4,736 a day totaling $66,300. Is this reasonable? It is if one is willing to pay it. Personally, I find the price to be astounding. For those who can afford it, they have to decide if it is worth it. To each his own. Not me though.

What I do find surprising is the total cost of the 16 day lion hunt. If I added correctly, it is $78,900 for the daily rate and trophy fee. However, given today's prices this is not all that horrible for a lion hunt.

I can tell you unequivocally that there a bunch of leopards there, big ones. I probably saw more buffalo on that hunt than any other safari I have been on and this was a horrible year for TZ in general due to a severe drought. Personally, I did not take a lion nor did I see one. Again, I think the drought had a big impact.

It is a very nice camp. It is scenic. We would sit by the fire and have buffalo come to drink in the stream in front of camp. I laid in my tent and saw buffalo every single night through the window. I saw elephant most nights through the windows in my tent. Heck, one night I even had a leopard scratching himself on the side of my tent. The blacks had great amusement at the bwana cursing loudly at the leopard in the middle of the night.

Personally, if I were in the market for a lion, I would consider this. It is a pay for performance arrangement. Except in drought years, they have done well on lions. However, one has to remember the new TZ restrictions on lions. PH's are being careful.

As for the leopard, i find the price to be insane. Not for me but that is me. I am sure someone will be willing .

Good luck Aaron.

If you want to go, be prepared to spend a lot of money. Be prepared to ride for many hours as the area is vast. Be prepared to be terrorized by tsetses .

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
$80,000 for a lion? Barrrrrf!!!!

465H&H

wrong. by the time you shoot a few buffalo for bait and add in a few plains game, tips, etc, closer to $90, 000 if successful. hope the success rate is high( and i imagine it is) but if it is, you definitely will pay to play.

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:
if it were anyone but Danny and a handful of other operators offering this kind of a deal, I would have said that the PH would have come with strict instructions to "make sure" both cats are taken. The lure of pocketing an extra $48k of revenue is rather enticing for the outfitter I would think! And the risk of shooting a bordeline lion as a result of pressure to achieve this pretty high too....

Bwana - If I guide the hunt/hunts, the additional money will make no difference. I'll do my best to shoot only old/mature cats, or we won't shoot em.

lb404 - Actually it is a discount from the "normal/original" price by about 10%, and as others have pointed out - this is an "Offered/Discounted" forum. Paying attention is FREE.

Larry - We've had this conversation several times. Yep, TZ is expensive, no doubt about it. Its just that simple, and unfortunately that's just the way it is.

Personally I think the only way to logically hunt Leopard in TZ, is to do a full bag lion/leopard hunt. A leopard/buff hunt for example, is extremely expensive, and just doesn't make sense to me either.

I'm confident we'll shoot a few good lions this year, and this particular hunt was slated for a very special client of Danny's - thus I'm confident in the date/location. My client, Mr. Knowlton might just buy the quota/hunt, and we'll go after em on his hunt too?

Plus expensive charter, airlines there, probably 2 nights in a hotel in Arusha, etc. Probably closer to $100,000.

Round trip charter flights can approach 10K for a Caravan. Tanzania demands essentially 2 x for charter flights versus Zambia and Zimbabwe. What would be the rationale for this?

Jeff

Ok guys, here's the deal! To my knowledge, our communist president has not yet made a mandatory law requiring each/every U.S. citizen to purchase at least 1 Tanzania Big Game Hunting safari per year? With that yearly safari, to include at least 1 very expensive charter flight as well. Maybe I missed something, but I'm fairly certain I am correct?

So, if you want to come and experience Tanzania, in a great place, with a great outfitter, in the whole of the Lukwati Game Reserve (which is ALL Danny's) then great! If not, that's fine too. Tanzania is an extremely expensive place to operate hunts, and other than the hunt I took last year to the CAR - I have never experienced more game, in more remote/wild places, and had more incredible experiences, than on the hunts I have taken personally to Tanzania.

Many here have hunted places like the Save Valley in Zim, etc, etc. A wonderful place, and I will hunt there anytime. But the true African experience there, does not even remotely compare to the wild/remote and game rich beauty - of lots of places in TZ. Not even the experiences I've had in Zambia (the Luangwa Valley - with all its people in particular) have the same place in my heart that TZ does. I will always love hunting in SA, Namibia, Zim, Botswana, Moz and Zambia - but they are just not TZ IMO. Comparing one of them to the other, is simply comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, its very expensive - we've determined that long ago. Complaining about it on an internet forum - will not change that I'm afraid, but your welcome to try.

Thank you, and have a nice day!

Well said my friend!

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Ok guys, here's the deal! To my knowledge, our communist president has not yet made a mandatory law requiring each/every U.S. citizen to purchase at least 1 Tanzania Big Game Hunting safari per year?

Perhaps he'll come up with Social Safari Assistance? Redistributing wealth to make sure that well healed international hunters "pay their fair share", so that less fortunate 99% hunters can afford regular TZ safaris???? No???

Brett

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Ok guys, here's the deal! To my knowledge, our communist president has not yet made a mandatory law requiring each/every U.S. citizen to purchase at least 1 Tanzania Big Game Hunting safari per year? With that yearly safari, to include at least 1 very expensive charter flight as well. Maybe I missed something, but I'm fairly certain I am correct?


sure did?

I received an email from the McCallums that indicated they were losing this concession and therefore were offering these hunts. I deleted the email, but I could swear it was this area with these deals.

Not that it really matters, but it is interesting you didn't say that Aaron.

I think DMS is losing half of Lukwati in 2013.

Aaron,

I can't afford this hunt, but have bought a lotto ticket just in case. My question is this. If I buy the hunt can I pay extra for you NOT to guide me.

BTW, Nixon said hello.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I received an email from the McCallums that indicated they were losing this concession and therefore were offering these hunts. I deleted the email, but I could swear it was this area with these deals.

Not that it really matters, but it is interesting you didn't say that Aaron.

AAW - As Larry indicates, they lose 1/2 of Lukwati starting in July 2013 - not sure what that has to do with these hunts available in 2012???? This particular location, dates, and cats, are available in 2012 because the Sheik, who hunts with Danny every year, has postponed his 2012 hunt!

Butch - Come on man, we can run after buffalo - I'll try not to let one run you over, or me either for that matter!!

I heard you had a great hunt with Nixon? Congrats, and I hope you post a "hunt report" soon.

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Originally posted by BEGNO:
My question is this. If I buy the hunt can I pay extra for you NOT to guide me.

I'm sure you could but the fact that Aaron was going to guide you is what made this hunt so affordable for everybody

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
I don't think fairgame is looking at a 3100 daily rate however.

Jeff

Jeff

Certainly not in my case. I was simply referring to the structure of the pricing with the added cost after success.


Cheers
Jim

Actually I was but thought it a bit cheeky.