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Originally posted by shootaway:
I have the best double in the world!!!

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Originally posted by DoubleDon:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
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Shootaway, are your eyes broke? Holy smokes!!

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Originally posted by MJines:
You know who I feel sorry for, no not George, Butch. Sure he knew what he was getting into and he could have passed on the sale. That said, now he has to put with George's antics over how the rifle shoots (and I am sure it was regulated properly when it left California) and has to put up with his work being denigrated because of stupid comments by George. Reality is that Butch does good work. This rifle was an entry level, low end double, with no expectation that the wood to metal fit would be perfect, all the screws would be timed, etc. It is not indicative of Butch's higher end rifles . . . and perhaps to avoid harming the brand Butch should have passed on doing such rifles. All that said, I feel for Butch having his rifles run down all because George is too immature to just acknowledge the reality of what he bought and move on.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by MJines:
You know who I feel sorry for, no not George, Butch. Sure he knew what he was getting into and he could have passed on the sale. That said, now he has to put with George's antics over how the rifle shoots (and I am sure it was regulated properly when it left California) and has to put up with his work being denigrated because of stupid comments by George. Reality is that Butch does good work. This rifle was an entry level, low end double, with no expectation that the wood to metal fit would be perfect, all the screws would be timed, etc. It is not indicative of Butch's higher end rifles . . . and perhaps to avoid harming the brand Butch should have passed on doing such rifles. All that said, I feel for Butch having his rifles run down all because George is too immature to just acknowledge the reality of what he bought and move on.

Very good post Mike. Butch certainly does build nice rifles and on these field grades, he did exactly what many of us advocated Sabatti SHOULD have done, that is to build a properly functioning and well regulated rifle, leaving all the pretty window dressing off in order to hit the entry level price point. Unfortunately Sabatti went with sacrificing regulation to hit the price point instead, but I digress.

Personally, I'd have no problem owning or commissioning a new gun from Butch. In fact, I'm considering one of his stalking rifles right now. It is a shame that George is drawing this unwanted and tainted attention to Butch's guns simply because of his childish claims of unrealistic attributes of a VERY entry level rifle being more than it is. But then what else could be expected out of George but to directly trash or indirectly cause another man's reputation to be trashed simply to feed his delusional sense of self worth, never realizing his true lack of relevance and utter inconsequential reputation on this forum.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:
I do not own a Searcy Double nor do I intend to. I know folks who have them. I know folks that are personal friends with Butch and he comes highly regarded as a very nice guy.

He also comes highly regarded as someone who stands behind his guns as far as repairs and corrections are concerned. I think that is a good trait. The worrisome part could be that he needs to repair or stand behind them at all. I've seen many a reference to this need for repairs here on AR. That would concern me and certainly keeps me from considering one.

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Originally posted by Markschu:
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Originally posted by subsailor74:

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Back to the original thread........why wouldn't you take these beautiful rifles out in the bush?

Have you ever seen a woman too pretty to kiss?
I'm just sayin'....................

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Originally posted by Adamsdjr:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:
I do not own a Searcy Double nor do I intend to. I know folks who have them. I know folks that are personal friends with Butch and he comes highly regarded as a very nice guy.

He also comes highly regarded as someone who stands behind his guns as far as repairs and corrections are concerned. I think that is a good trait. The worrisome part could be that he needs to repair or stand behind them at all. I've seen many a reference to this need for repairs here on AR. That would concern me and certainly keeps me from considering one.

Based on Sam Rose's post on the quality of new double rifles and other reports here having good customer service may be the most important thing as it seems that all brands have problems, often right from the start. Todd Williams reported that his "Bespoke" VC had to be sent to JJ to get it to regulate so he could take it to Africa. Fairgame reported his VC locked up recently. I think Sam reported problems with 3 different brands. I had to send a Kreighoff 470 to JJ for repair last year as only the right barrel would fire. If one would only purchase one based on not having any problems reported I'm not sure which brand of double one could get.

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Have you ever seen a woman too pretty to kiss?
I'm just sayin'....................

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Originally posted by shootaway:
My take on this now is that no, really nice rifles with nice engraving should not be taken hunting because that is not what they are about.
Back in the day creating the masterpieces we see today was just the normal way of building things.

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I would not want an original 55 Chevy to commute back and forth to work.I dont think it can do bumper to bumper at 130km/hr.In that sense it is garbage.On the other hand if it were to compete in a beauty contest...

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Shootaway, are your eyes broke? Holy smokes!!

Not exactly "timed" correctly are they?

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Originally posted by jorge:
Is that ALL you have? I'll never get over that putdown... I see you have your rifle over a wood pile, just remember to let the paraffin soak into the wood before lighting to ensure good combustion...

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Originally posted by Trapper Tom:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by MJines:
You know who I feel sorry for, no not George, Butch. Sure he knew what he was getting into and he could have passed on the sale. That said, now he has to put with George's antics over how the rifle shoots (and I am sure it was regulated properly when it left California) and has to put up with his work being denigrated because of stupid comments by George. Reality is that Butch does good work. This rifle was an entry level, low end double, with no expectation that the wood to metal fit would be perfect, all the screws would be timed, etc. It is not indicative of Butch's higher end rifles . . . and perhaps to avoid harming the brand Butch should have passed on doing such rifles. All that said, I feel for Butch having his rifles run down all because George is too immature to just acknowledge the reality of what he bought and move on.

Very good post Mike. Butch certainly does build nice rifles and on these field grades, he did exactly what many of us advocated Sabatti SHOULD have done, that is to build a properly functioning and well regulated rifle, leaving all the pretty window dressing off in order to hit the entry level price point. Unfortunately Sabatti went with sacrificing regulation to hit the price point instead, but I digress.

Personally, I'd have no problem owning or commissioning a new gun from Butch. In fact, I'm considering one of his stalking rifles right now. It is a shame that George is drawing this unwanted and tainted attention to Butch's guns simply because of his childish claims of unrealistic attributes of a VERY entry level rifle being more than it is. But then what else could be expected out of George but to directly trash or indirectly cause another man's reputation to be trashed simply to feed his delusional sense of self worth, never realizing his true lack of relevance and utter inconsequential reputation on this forum.

. My sabbatti was only $3200 not $8500. I would still expect more for that kind of money. I will stick with my sabbatti

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Jorge:
I'm sorry you have to live with that major shot from penis brain. How will you ever recover?
Cal

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Trapper - I have to agree with you on keeping the Sabatti. I have $1,800 .. in my new Sabatti 9.3 X 74 and am definitely keeping it. It shoots 3-shot ragged hole groups out of each barrel one inch apart at 50 yards. Couldn't be more pleased. This gun was purchased with one intent in mind, to kill stuff with it. Looking forward to taking a Buff in Moz and an Alaskan/Yukon Moose with it. To me a gun is simply a tool than one uses to pursue and take game with, nothing more nothing less. It just has to perform well to hang around. Since it is my first double rifle I do however enjoy the chance to work with a different type of firearm. My purchase was not to impress folks with a Nambebrand, how much I paid for it, to just set it in the rack and admire and impress folks who drop by. If it don't shoot it don't stay, same as all the other guns I own.



I find it amusing that some here use the term "entry level" double. Don't quite know what is meant by that???? I guess if you spend less than $35,000 or so your purchase is deemed "entry level"? Oh well. If folks want to collect and invest in guns that's great. If they simply want status symbols that is OK to, so not bad mouthing anyone for their reasons of double rifle ownership.

Would I hunt with the guns mentioned in this thread? No because I would not purchase a gun of this nature, so a none issue with me.

Enjoy your double guns whatever your ownership reason,and have a great day.

Larry Sellers
SCI(International) Life Member
Sabatti "Trash" shooter!!

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Originally posted by MJines:
You know who I feel sorry for, no not George, Butch. Sure he knew what he was getting into and he could have passed on the sale. That said, now he has to put with George's antics over how the rifle shoots (and I am sure it was regulated properly when it left California) and has to put up with his work being denigrated because of stupid comments by George. Reality is that Butch does good work. This rifle was an entry level, low end double, with no expectation that the wood to metal fit would be perfect, all the screws would be timed, etc. It is not indicative of Butch's higher end rifles . . . and perhaps to avoid harming the brand Butch should have passed on doing such rifles. All that said, I feel for Butch having his rifles run down all because George is too immature to just acknowledge the reality of what he bought and move on.

Very good post Mike. Butch certainly does build nice rifles and on these field grades, he did exactly what many of us advocated Sabatti SHOULD have done, that is to build a properly functioning and well regulated rifle, leaving all the pretty window dressing off in order to hit the entry level price point. Unfortunately Sabatti went with sacrificing regulation to hit the price point instead, but I digress.

Personally, I'd have no problem owning or commissioning a new gun from Butch. In fact, I'm considering one of his stalking rifles right now. It is a shame that George is drawing this unwanted and tainted attention to Butch's guns simply because of his childish claims of unrealistic attributes of a VERY entry level rifle being more than it is. But then what else could be expected out of George but to directly trash or indirectly cause another man's reputation to be trashed simply to feed his delusional sense of self worth, never realizing his true lack of relevance and utter inconsequential reputation on this forum.

. My sabbatti was only $3200 not $8500. I would still expect more for that kind of money. I will stick with my sabbatti

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Originally posted by Bockhunter:
Hi gentleman,

These are two great guns, from an great maker.
In the moment I write an article/test about these great guns.

Im in contact with P., one of the best english engravers, he had did the scene-engraving at this guns.

In our mails he gives me some Statements for an interview, I want to share with you:


INFO A:

Hi F.,

Picture attached.

I have had a passion for flintlock guns since the 70's, I couldn't afford to buy them so I borrowed a few from a friend and taught myself to make them. On each gun there was engraving, I knew nothing about how it was done or what tools were used, so I made my own and after a lot of trial and experimentation I finally found out how to do it.

The engraving took over from the gun making, I sent practice plates to gunmakers but the work was not good enough for their guns, so I gave myself a year to improve.

Work finally came in and has kept that way since.

Best regards,

P.


INFO B:

Good morning F.,

I engraved these guns. No.3XXX was engraved on XXXX 85 and 3XXXX on XXXX85. I had been engraving a year professionally at the start of the first gun.

As far as I remember, they were stock guns and not for a customer, but I could be wrong.

The instruction I had were, Royal Scroll type with Cape buffalo and elephant scenes respectively, the scenes were for me to create. Each gun took four weeks....I worked long hours in those days!

They were engraved in a converted bedroom at a house where I used to live in Rhymney, South Wales.

As I mentioned, I started engraving just one year before these guns, I worked as a painter in a Colliery and combined the two jobs! When the gun work increased I found it too difficult to do both jobs so I chose engraving, not a hard decision because I loved doing it, and the money was a lot better

The first year of engraving professionally, I engraved eighteen guns, I worked many hours! But I must admit that the designs then are a lot simpler than today's as one of my latest guns took ten months to complete.

Hope this is ok for you.

Best regards,

P.