Just kidding!

I was just about to say here we go again......

and here i was getting ready to watch another slugfest. what a disappointment!!!

(hornet's nest)

Yawn.

George

................. IN COMING!

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MacD37 prefers the 45-70 for all dangerous game! He says it's more than enough power to flatten charging Elephant or Hippo! He only uses the low power factory loads though because he's recoil sensative. He's a big collector of 45-70's too! I believe he has about a dozen or so including a gatling type shore battery.

This is SOOOO 3 years ago.

Kinda goes along with the days of Caremello.

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Originally posted by sierrabravo45:
This is SOOOO 3 years ago.

Kinda goes along with the days of Caremello.

aka ass clown.

Cheers,

André

I once kilt a horse with a .22 CB cap. It's all about bullet placement folks . . . . .

DWright: I saw on the movie Animal House they killed a horse with a blank too.

On RFC wild hogs were hunted successfully with CB caps. Complete penetration of the skull, in the front, out the back.

Dangerous 45-70's on harmless game!!!

My question is? If slower makes for deeper penitration. Does it work for sex to????

JD

GEEZ, All dressed up and no where to go!

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Originally posted by J D:
My question is? If slower makes for deeper penitration. Does it work for sex to????

JD

I suppose only if your idea of sex involves a gerbil.

Only if you wrap them with duct tape first!

Yes you are right.

Duck Tape is the preferred media for many forms of penetration testing. You can fix many things with it too.-Rob

Main reason-The title of the other thread-
Bloodbath- Your blood --The cartridges that
put the longest neatest holes in DG won'tt
stop a charge, just may get you bleeding.
You got to have some power and penetration
to make big deep wound channels, shock
the thing, and knock them down. I hate shows where the guy says found it 50 yds over there,
or he we found him in 15 min. That attitude
with DG hunting means it may be you being
found over there.Ed

Wait a minute....
So a guy wants to hunt dangerous game BUT he wants to use the biggest most powerful round he can get his hands on to make it safer??? How silly is that?....The whole concept is sort of a contradiction in terms.
Why not use a cartridge that makes it more dangerous? Say a maximum of a .35 Whelen or an 8X57. To tilt the odds a little more when hunting wild bovines wait until they have new calves and take a dog with you. You should get lots of excitement out of that.
If you want it dangerous make it dangerous or stay home. If you want it safe just don't go.

If you need a big shot of fear just go to a local rodeo and climb on the back of a 1500 lb bull with no rifle ....

I see that you haven't been elephant hunting, ot cape buffalo hunting, or lion hunting...

JPK

If you really want to make the experience an exciting one, why not use a shovel handle? I know your standard garden variety Racoon for example, can take one heck of a lot of abuse from one of these weapons, and still keep agoin'. Don't ask me how I know, I just DO! But an Elephant. . . . Now I want to see that.

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Originally posted by J D:
My question is? If slower makes for deeper penitration. Does it work for sex to????

JD

I could actually explain this phenomenon, however I really don't think most on here would understand. Though I would bet most did graduated in the top 99 % of their class.
One clear example is when firing say, a big 750 grain 50 cal. BMG round at about 2,900 FPS, into a water filled swimming pool. The bullet you would think would go clean through the whole damn pool, only travels about 4 feet before dropping straight down! This was even done on the show myth busters awhile back. Do that with a slow 300 grain .45 Colt bullet, and it will travel about 7 feet before dropping. For a dirt simple picture; imagine standing in the pool. Now, take your flat hand and push it slowly down through the water. It travels through easily. Now slap it down as hard as you can. it stops! The faster a bullet goes into fluid filled flesh, the faster it stops beyond a certain velocity. got it? OK, guys, let's hear it. . . I know I'm gunna!
But these are things you learn IF you go to testing without first excepting some old outdated, predetermined ideas. THEN, ya learn things. If we didn't, the world would still be flat.

Never hunted a swimming pool before - are they dangerous?

So, if I follow this logic, a 300 grain 45 ACP will out penetrate a 300 grain 338 Lapua in a dangerous game animal? Funny thing, I know of few cases where a 45 ACP left an exit wound on a homo sapien, but in virtually all cases at even long range a 50 BMG goes clean through (to use the pool example).

Since this thread was started as a joke, it is being moved to 'Humor'.

George

Duct tape ?? I have two 45-70 single shots .I'm going to tape them together so I can go to Africa and hunt DG !! Happiness is a warm 45-70 !

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Originally posted by Jim Manion:
Never hunted a swimming pool before - are they dangerous?

So, if I follow this logic, a 300 grain 45 ACP will out penetrate a 300 grain 338 Lapua in a dangerous game animal? Funny thing, I know of few cases where a 45 ACP left an exit wound on a homo sapien, but in virtually all cases at even long range a 50 BMG goes clean through (to use the pool example).

Well, no; the .45 acp is not going fast enough, and the bullet is too short for the diameter. About 1,500-1,600 FPS seems to be the balance point. . . . And at really long range that 50 BMG round has slown down for better penetration through water filled stuff. But sounds like we need to move on to a different subject. And yes, swimming pools have been proven to be very dangerous. It's a pretty simple equation really. And I'm writing as slow as I can for y'all.

DWright[/QUOTE]

I could actually explain this phenomenon, however I really don't think most on here would understand. Though I would bet most did graduated in the top 99 % of their class.
One clear example is when firing say, a big 750 grain 50 cal. BMG round at about 2,900 FPS, into a water filled swimming pool. The bullet you would think would go clean through the whole damn pool, only travels about 4 feet before dropping straight down! This was even done on the show myth busters awhile back. Do that with a slow 300 grain .45 Colt bullet, and it will travel about 7 feet before dropping. For a dirt simple picture; imagine standing in the pool. Now, take your flat hand and push it slowly down through the water. It travels through easily. Now slap it down as hard as you can. it stops! The faster a bullet goes into fluid filled flesh, the faster it stops beyond a certain velocity. got it? OK, guys, let's hear it. . . [/QUOTE]

So when the 458 at 2300fpsMV goes deep enough to slow down to 45/70 velocities, does it continue to slow down faster in the same medium as the same bullet fired from a 45/70?

Thanks for asking, and yes it does. The rapid deceleration has already worked on the bullet to cause the sudden stoppage. Think of it this way: After you slap your hand down hard in the pool and your hand finally hits the lower speed as when you pushed slowly, does your hand then easily continue downward. . . . ? Nope, it just stops. But you have to remember that the much faster bullet once it does hit a liquid filled media produces a shock from the uncompressable medium, forcing the material outward creating the larger than bullet diameter wound cavity. This is why the little .243 can at times drop an animal quicker (if hit in the right place), then say a .35 Remington. Hydro shock ( above 2,000) can do a lot of damage. But you can not count on hydo shock on a Cape Buffalo. Good shootin'

Well i don't normally speak up but can't help myself tonight.
I watched the same episode of myth busters. In the 50 BMG test they used a spire point FMJ bullet. Everyone with any experience knows that SP FMJ's are consistently unreliable penetrators on large game.
One further note. I have no axe to grind here but I've been hunting here in Ak. for over 30 years now.
I've tried and have a couple friends who have tried the 45/70, I've had 3 plus a 450 marlin over the years. It will kill for sure but when I 'm chasing browns/grizz at spitting distance I don't pick my 45/70. It just doesn't stop game as quickly as the 338/375 magnums do with premium bullets. In fact on the soft skinned game we hunt here I would rather have one of my 300 ultra mags loaded with TBBC's. They just flat stop them quicker than the 45/70 unless the brain or CNS is hit.
45/70 Great cartridge, yes. DG rifle IMHO your pushing it.
Well good night all!

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Originally posted by ireload2:
Wait a minute....
So a guy wants to hunt dangerous game BUT he wants to use the biggest most powerful round he can get his hands on to make it safer??? How silly is that?....The whole concept is sort of a contradiction in terms.
Why not use a cartridge that makes it more dangerous? Say a maximum of a .35 Whelen or an 8X57. To tilt the odds a little more when hunting wild bovines wait until they have new calves and take a dog with you. You should get lots of excitement out of that.
If you want it dangerous make it dangerous or stay home. If you want it safe just don't go.

If you need a big shot of fear just go to a local rodeo and climb on the back of a 1500 lb bull with no rifle ....

Interestingly, I find myself in agreement wih you. Why not just use a howitzer?

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Originally posted by Akhutr:
Well i don't normally speak up but can't help myself tonight.
I watched the same episode of myth busters. In the 50 BMG test they used a spire point FMJ bullet. Everyone with any experience knows that SP FMJ's are consistently unreliable penetrators on large game.
One further note. I have no axe to grind here but I've been hunting here in Ak. for over 30 years now.
I've tried and have a couple friends who have tried the 45/70, I've had 3 plus a 450 marlin over the years. It will kill for sure but when I 'm chasing browns/grizz at spitting distance I don't pick my 45/70. It just doesn't stop game as quickly as the 338/375 magnums do with premium bullets. In fact on the soft skinned game we hunt here I would rather have one of my 300 ultra mags loaded with TBBC's. They just flat stop them quicker than the 45/70 unless the brain or CNS is hit.
45/70 Great cartridge, yes. DG rifle IMHO your pushing it.
Well good night all!

You won't get much of an argument from me on that. However, I would probably not use the smaller .300, as my preference would be my .375 H&H, and maybe a larger AND fast caliber. My original point of the entire subject was simply to point out that the .45-70 can be one of the best penetraters going. Unless of course you load the bigger cased calibers down somewhat. I to prefer some of the shock the faster rounds produce. I think we should be able to hunt with anything we want as long as it's legal and humane. I myself would not even think about useing a bow, but one of my best hunting buddies does it every year. We find way too many long dead animals in my neck of the woods with arrows sticking out of them for my tastes. The fastest death on a big Roosevelt Elk, for me has been with a head shot and my .243! But I won't try that again. I would prefer my .45-70, or .375. Good shootin' to all.

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Originally posted by yellowhammer:

Ditto, but I love it.....

Back in my great grandpa's day he liked to use an old front loader Enfield rifle, not one of them dang newfangled .45-70s. They weren't reliable on big game and looked funny. Hell, he'd rather use a Brown Bess. Walking everywhere. Uphill in both directions. Eating dirt. And proud to eat that dirt wouldn't ride no steam trains either. Abominations unto god.

I'll take the the Holland and Holland in three seven five, thank you, because I'm a modernist.