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Don't you guys know that referring to any credible source, such as the ones mentioned above, will cause heart palpitations in some of our fine brothers on this thread???? Shame on you lads, asking them to read some data that might not agree with their closely held and highly regarded OPINIONS.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Let's put this in perspective. All you nimrod advocates of the 223 can perch on your stand and snipe a poor little deer, with your perfectly placed shot, from a perfectly accurate rifle, using you perfectly honed skill and patience and judgment.

So what if the deer runs 150 yds or so. So what if one is wounded once in a while.

Raise the anti a bit, and your definition of adequate may change. Suppose you were the mighty hunter, and the game could bite back, and you had to stand at ground lever, no elevated stands? What would be your definition of adequate be then? Would you continue to play around with a pea shooter, for sport? Would you then pay any attention to the ballistic specs, and mfg bullet design specs, or continue with nonsense? It's easy to talk BS, when nothing more is at stake than your ego.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
about now the everready bunney with his drum should march through!

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Originally posted by carpetman1:
UPDATE--Breaking news. The deer in this story was experiencing internet difficulty. Got back online and read this thread and came back to life. Didn't kill a deer with a .223 afterall. Hell everyone knows it cant be done.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Let's put this in perspective. All you nimrod advocates of the 223 can perch on your stand and snipe a poor little deer, with your perfectly placed shot, from a perfectly accurate rifle, using you perfectly honed skill and patience and judgment.

So what if the deer runs 150 yds or so, after being shot with a 223. So what if one is wounded once in a while.

Raise the anti a bit, and your definition of adequate may change. Suppose you were the mighty hunter, and the game could bite back, and you had to stand at ground level, no elevated stands? What would be your definition of adequate be then? Would you continue to play around with a pea shooter, for sport? Would you then pay any attention to the ballistic specs, and mfg bullet design specs, or continue with nonsense? It's easy to talk BS, when nothing more is at stake than your ego.


KB

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Raise the anti a bit, and your definition of adequate may change. Suppose you were the mighty hunter, and the game could bite back, and you had to stand at ground level, no elevated stands? What would be your definition of adequate be then?

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So what if the deer runs 150 yds or so, after being shot with a 223. So what if one is wounded once in a while.

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Originally posted by theback40:
We wouldnt be deer hunting anymore, and the whole thread has been about .223 for deer. Better re-check things Kabluey, win came out with the 64 grn as a deer bullet, nosler and barnes has theirs also.

I really dont see your point in your sabertoothed deer annology??

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
They make 3" condoms? Priced accordingly I hope. Only need the last two inches anyway...

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probably sell 3" condoms, for special guys, or thos who want to put it half way in. But would you use them,

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Originally posted by theback40:
And you refuse to answer any of my questions, why is that?

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Originally posted by theback40:
What have you been smoking??

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Originally posted by theback40:

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Raise the anti a bit, and your definition of adequate may change. Suppose you were the mighty hunter, and the game could bite back, and you had to stand at ground level, no elevated stands? What would be your definition of adequate be then?

We wouldnt be deer hunting anymore, and the whole thread has been about .223 for deer. Better re-check things Kabluey, win came out with the 64 grn as a deer bullet, nosler and barnes has theirs also.
I have hunted in alaska, on my own. I carried a rifle I felt would handle anything I ran into even when blacktails were the quarry because there was a good chance of big bears. Where I hunt whitetails, I dont have that worry. I really dont see your point in your sabertoothed deer annology??

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Take one of those $10,000 pen raised, genetically engineered, Texas white tails. I wonder how many intrepid nimrods use the mighty 223 to fill their bag, after laying down the cash on that deal. A wounded $10,000 buck that rots and feeds worms and buzzards surely raises the stakes.

KB

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Originally posted by Mike70560:
.. but many .... would have reservations shooting a 180 pound leopard with the same .223 at 50 yards that could either kill you or make you wish you were dead.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Take one of those $10,000 pen raised, genetically engineered, Texas white tails. KB

Those are actually the easiest deer of all to kill with a 223. You can catch them trying to lick the muzzle.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

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Originally posted by tiggertate:

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
Take one of those $10,000 pen raised, genetically engineered, Texas white tails. KB

Those are actually the easiest deer of all to kill with a 223. You can catch them trying to lick the muzzle.

I wondered about that, and just can't understand why there is a market for that. Oh well, it's good to read of experience.

The subsistant hunters out of Kotzebue wait till the caribou are mid-river, run the boat up beside the herd, pick out the fat young ones, and pop um in the head with a 22 or 17 cal. Then they tie them to the sides of the boat, and drag them ashore to field dress.

Regards,
KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
In your dreams, Terry.

KB

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:
I was kinda wishing that experience for you

Merry Christmas.

KB

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Hey - worms, buzzards, coyotes, etc., gotta eat too. It's only ethical that the advocates of the 223 deer rifle do their part for the ecosystem balance, and such.

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:


Suppose you were the mighty hunter, and the game could bite back, and you had to stand at ground level, no elevated stands? What would be your definition of adequate be then? Would you continue to play around with a pea shooter, for sport? Would you then pay any attention to the ballistic specs, and mfg bullet design specs, or continue with nonsense? It's easy to talk BS, when nothing more is at stake than your ego.

KB

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Originally posted by Oddbod:

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:


Suppose you were the mighty hunter, and the game could bite back, and you had to stand at ground level, no elevated stands? What would be your definition of adequate be then? Would you continue to play around with a pea shooter, for sport? Would you then pay any attention to the ballistic specs, and mfg bullet design specs, or continue with nonsense? It's easy to talk BS, when nothing more is at stake than your ego.

KB

Unless I'm very much mistaken, hundreds of thousands of men put their faith in .224 on a daily basis & it isn't teeth & claws on the other side - all done with FMJ too.

I've just read all of this thread & the anti's accusations of rudeness from the pro's is laughable - tiz the other way round IMO.

Far as I can see; if you're confident of the shot with the caliber at hand then what's the problem?
Seems to me the naysayers may well be lacking in confidence - or ability?

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Originally posted by mdstewart:

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Originally posted by Oddbod:

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:


Suppose you were the mighty hunter, and the game could bite back, and you had to stand at ground level, no elevated stands? What would be your definition of adequate be then? Would you continue to play around with a pea shooter, for sport? Would you then pay any attention to the ballistic specs, and mfg bullet design specs, or continue with nonsense? It's easy to talk BS, when nothing more is at stake than your ego.

KB

Unless I'm very much mistaken, hundreds of thousands of men put their faith in .224 on a daily basis & it isn't teeth & claws on the other side - all done with FMJ too.

I've just read all of this thread & the anti's accusations of rudeness from the pro's is laughable - tiz the other way round IMO.

Far as I can see; if you're confident of the shot with the caliber at hand then what's the problem?
Seems to me the naysayers may well be lacking in confidence - or ability?

Now I understand; I've been thinking wrong all along. All I need is confidence of the shot at hand with the caliber of choice, and there's no problem. Great!!!

I've been practicing real hard with my Walther PP in 7.65, and can consistently get 2" groups at 20 yards. I've got a black bear coming to my feeder station everyday. Now that I fully understand that all I need is confidence of the shot to be taken with this caliber, I think I'll go out tomorrow morning, set up in a blind next to the feed station, and when that shot I know I can make comes up, I'll have the confidence to take the shot, knowing that with my superior marksmanship, I will take that bear in one shot; DRT.

I now fully understand; all I need is confidence in my ability with the caliber at hand. The rest of that crap; ballistics, sectional density, energy, foot pounds of energy; that stuffs all for the jokers of the world.

Thanks for clearing this all up.