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Hey guys, Give me a list of the five wildcats or improved cartridges you think should be legitimized. This is for a shooting supply business catering to wildcatters so this properly headstamped brass will have to sell, not sit around my garage. Here are the ones we are considering: 22-250 AI 338-375 Ruger 30-375 Ruger 25 SAUM 257 Roberts AI Then there are two my partner and I can't agree on, a 270-308 and a 7mm-375 Ruger. So what say ye? Hairbrained idea or a worthwhile business? | ||
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416, 458, 475, 500 A.R. Would sell I think... 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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boom, surely you can come up with one more to make it five-have another cup of joe!  | |||
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The 270-308 wildcat is known as .270 Redding. I think the 7mm /.375 Ruger would be a fine round, and my choice would be something like the 6.5 RSAUM as a standarized round. For big game rounds, why not the .460 G&A or .450 G&A . | |||
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Easy! .300 FGC .338 FGC .375 FGC All made on .30-06 head size, 2,8" case, 3,6" OAL to fill out the magazine on the ever popular Rem 700. Another dream-mashine is the .375 Whelen. And, like Bartche says, ego stinks, so I'll round it off with the .425 Fossdal.  Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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470 Mbogo (C'mon guys!) 358-404 x 2" (2.6" COL = Marlin 1895) 475-404 x 2" (rechamber 1895RL from 475 Linebaugh) 264 Ruger subcompact (2.33" case, 3.10" COL) 423-257Wb (Think Rem 7600) ... let's see, that's five. Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt. | |||
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Neither...it's nice of you to try to be helpful but wildcatters are even more fickle than the regular sporting public. | |||
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Wildcats generally need speed to be worthwhile so... 22-284 I got one 80gr bullets at nearly 3600fps 358 UMT Bryce Towsley's LR 35 on the RUM 9,3-375R See, they are good for something! 416 RUM 550 Gibbs if you want to brag on building the biggest and baddest in factory ammunition JMHO... Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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550 Magnum 470 Mbogo 458 AR 416 ruger or AR 708 opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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 Losing 0.009" in bullet diameter makes it a good cart, eh? Now I know you've been yanking our chain all along.  Canuck | |||
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So, you are looking for 5 carts that are popular enough that people will buy pre-formed brass with headstamps, rather than make their own, unheadstamped brass? Or are you wanting to invest in carts that may not be big sellers today but may catch on?? My personal preference is the 470 Mbogo...would love to see that brass more widely available (surprise, surprise eh!) But if you are looking at selling to an existing market, I think the following might be OK sellers for you: 416 Taylor 375 Taylor 6.5 WSM 8mm-06 280 AI If you are looking at getting ahead of the curve, or creating a market by making headstamped brass available, maybe: 470 Mbogo 550 Magnum 458 AR 338 Ruger 416 Ruger (although I think this will be a legit factory cart at some point) | |||
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I would strongly suggest that you contact Redding and RCBS and see if they will tell you which "wildcat's" sell regarding die sales. My choices would be .22 K Hornet .22/250 AI .257 Bob AI 6.5/06 (after edit!) .270 Redding  Member NRA, SCI- Life #358 28+ years now! DRSS, double owner-shooter since 1983, O/U .30-06 Browning Continental set. | |||
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338/06, 280AI, and 708 are all factory rounds these days... i think A2 took even the 416T through saami.. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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My pick: 1. 416Taylor (or 416Ruger ... we need a standard length 416cal) 2. 458AR (again for standard length actions) 3. 25/08 Souper 4. 358RUM 5. 500AR (brilliant flagship chambering in standrad length actions!!) Cheers... Con | |||
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6.5/06 35 Whelen AI to add a couple. | |||
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I forgot about that one.....I second that motion. Quite a popular 'cat around here, and I am sure I will probably have one someday (when I get tired of fiddling with brass for my 6.5 Gibbs!). Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Maybe have one cat that nobody else is doing... Bent... Yes the world needs a good supply of the 425 Fossdal! That should prove quite popular IMHO 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I'm intrigued by the interest in the 358-RUM. I made a 358-404 so I share the sentiment, but really, the availabilty of 337- and 375- caliber bullets makes me wonder why there's support for a 35 cal. It's not like the STW or even Norma do that well in sales. For a biz prop, it would make more sense to get a flexible setup that can do runs of 250 cases or so, in WHATEVER wildcat the customer wishes. Get a solid set of neck sizing dies for the popular caseheads (223, '06, WM, RUM, 404J, Rigby, maybe WSM, RSAUM and Ruger Mag?) and a press to stamp the name on. Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt. | |||
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22BR 22/243 Middlested 257DGR of course 358 STA 416 Taylor | |||
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what about the 224-6mm Rem AI? Just read an artical about it and LOAD DATA has a load for it although there are only a few loads listed. | |||
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......... .... ...Now how can someone that I disagree with so much like such nice wildcats ..... ..My 5,,,,,, 17/22 K Hornet ,#2 30 Gibbs ,cause it aint a pos 06  ..#3 9.3x338RUM #4 .411 AR ..# 5 416 RUM ........If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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I agree with DuaneinND, the .358 STA needs to be in the group. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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338/06 358 sta 416 Taylor 470 Mbogo 416/375R "Sometimes nothing can be a pretty cool hand." 470 Heym; 9.3x74r Chapuis, Heym 450/400 on it's way | |||
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I can't normally justify wildcats today, the days of the wildcatter have come and gone IMO..It's all been done from a practical point of view... The Wildcats I liked best back when were: 338-06 but the 338 Win killed it for me 250 Ackley 7x57 Ackley Today I just shoot the 338, 250-3000 and 7x57, not any difference in trajectory or killing powder... The only wildcat I shoot today is the 6x45 on a L-461 sako action, custom stocked and its a real dandy..Shot a lot of hogs, deer and antelope with it.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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My picks would be 22-06 6.5 STW 35 RUM 425 Express 500 Capstick The gun I shoot the most is a S&W 617, that would be #6 thougk I tend to use more than enough gun | |||
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What is a .500 Capstick? Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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All wildcats are usefull, just for different things. Not that anyone else in the world has one, but I could use some brass (magnum length) marked 429 Harvey. I'm forming from 416 Remington brass. Apex bbl, 350 gr. Hawk with 88 grns Reloader 15. I've thought about making a Lott out of it but it still shoots under an inch. Now if Sierra etc. will just start making .429 rifle bullets. Currently making 375 Whelen Improved from 35 Whelen brass. With N540 and a 24" bbl, this is a fairly serious round. 300 gr Kodiak's at substantially over 2400fps. All that being said I don't think that I'll ever build another wildcat. A 6.5/06 might be nice though and a 510 Wells would be cool. Wildcatters will always be out there but that may stop when the "perfect round" is finally developed.  | |||
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I would think the .223 AI, the .22-250 AI, and any popular diameter based on the '06 AI cartridge. Also, possibly the 7X57 AI for short mauser actions.  | |||
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I'll have to add my vote for the 6.5-06 - it's just a natural. How about a .25 Souper (.25-08)? To change the p.o.v. a bit, could a person buy ready-made brass without a headstamp, and just do custom headstamps??? Maybe include a bit of custom neck resizing? What about offering in-stock dies to go along with your custom brass? It's the little things that matter. | |||
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.22/6MM Remington - It would be nice to have a flatter shooting .22 caliber rifle. 6MM-06 - I have one and its easy to just neck down .25-06 cases and get a very flat trejectory. .17 Hornet - I use one a lot for small varmints out to about 200 yards and have got coyotes, fox, raccoons, bobcats and a badger with it. The barrel does not even get copper fouled and supposidly will last over 10,000 rounds. I much prefer it to the .17 Remington I had, which made more noise, burned out barrels, and copper fouled. After that about the only slot I can think of not filled by factory cartridges would be a .257 STW. | |||
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If you are going to make up brass for wildcats---------do it for the calibers that the AVERAGE reloader that can't do it! Odd brass, odd cal. bullets, or brass that has to be worked toooo much or layhe turned! Good Luck! Hipshoot | |||
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Sorry, Just reread your post----I would go mostly AI's and short magnums! Hip | |||
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4 me it is: 223 AI 6/06 7 Mashburn Super 338/06 416 Taylor Mark D | |||
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Ted68: Might there be a market for John Wooters' famous .25-222 Copperhead or the .257 Kimber? Those two "mildcats" should be fun to shoot, cheap to feed and useful for game and varmints through coyote as far as 200 yards. I have no idea what the possible market might be. | |||
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Oh those are easy... 1. 6mm/08 2. 6mm x 57 3. 270/35 Whelen 4. 30/35 Whelen 5. 257 x 57 6. 338/7 Rem Mag 7. 22.250 necked up to 25 caliber 8. 6.5/08 9 30/358 Win These have all proven to be pretty darn useful cartridges!  Life Member: The American Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Jan 20, 2009.. Prisoner in Dumocrat 'Occupied America', Partisan in the 'Save America' Underground Beavis..... James Beavis..... Of Her Majesty's Secret Service..... Spell Check Division "Posterity — you will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it." John Quincy Adams A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him "Why do you carry a 45?" The Ranger responded, "Because they don't make a 46." Duhboy....Nuttier than Squirrel Poop... | |||
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You mean that would be Arthur Langsford's 25Myra. John Wooters could have store bought loaded ammunition in central NSW when he published the 25Copperhead articles. Likewise 17Vixen (17-22Magnum), 17TinyMite (17-22RF) ... there's nothing new under the sun.  seafire2, Tell me more about the 6mm/08 ... sounds like a barrel burner Cheers... Con | |||
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From Florida you've asked this question so I'm assuming a US venture (metrics need not apply)... the killing fields here include: * Varmints * Small Deer * Large Deer * Elk And Black Bear * Brown Bear Cool! 5 targets, 5 choices... not commercially available. 1. 22-250 AI 2. 25-06 AI (I don't even know if this one exists!) 3. 30-378wm (so I cheat, sue me) 4. 45-70 AI (Bwwwaahahahahahahah) 4 (really) 338-375 Ruger (not a 338 RCM) 5. 375-338 Lapua... Start cashing checks | |||
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.25 x 57 .270 Redding .30 Gibbs .375 Taylor .416 Taylor | |||
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