.257 SAUM
6.5 SAUM
.338-375 RUGER
375-450 Marlin
19 Calhoun

22-250AI
6x284
280AI
375AI
257AI

6 X 45
6.5-06
416-375 Ruger
.204 HMR
.204-223

quote:

Originally posted by vapodog:
6 X 45
6.5-06
416-375 Ruger
.204 HMR
.204-223

Now that's cool...

I can't come up with five of them but I can add the 6mm/250 Savage. I'm having a Remington 40XB Rangemaster Thumbhole rebarreled into it!

223 AI.
375 WSM.
416 WSM
375/338 LM.
257 Roberts AI.

JMHO...

If I could have #6, it would be the 416 Taylor.

22-250 AI
234 Catbird 1-8 twist
280 AI
300 Jarrett, Caribou, Baer, Whatever you want
to call it.
375 AI
458 Lott.

I beleive this covers the spectrum of anything you want to accomplish with a rifle, and accomplish is with more than adequate effieiency for the caliber. Of all my rifles these are the ones I use most.

6.5x284
7x57 AI
280rem AI
338-06
35 whelen

quote:

5 Most Usefull Wildcats

History might record;

.22-Varminter

.240 Page

.25 Niedner

7mm/06

35 Wehlen

roger

Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone..

22 K Hornet
22 250 A I
300 Short Rum ,[ Sorry but it,s the only 30 needed
375 Fossdal
411 Ruger
585 Belted Hubel Express

There,s my 5 preferred wildcats ....The K Hornet 22-250 AI 300 Short Rum and .411 Ruger in stainless Ruger rifles , The 375 Fossdal in a 17 Enfield and a CZ550 Saf Mag ,lightened with 25 " barrels ..
The 585 BHE in a McGowan or CZ550 action ,,,
Or the 577 BME .
still undecided on these 2 ...

quote:

Originally posted by Ted68:
Hey guys,

Give me a list of the five wildcats or improved cartridges you think should be legitimized.

I'd push for the 6x45mm, nice little cartridge. I color-code mine by using nickel plated cases to distinguish them from the .223 for the Mini-14, although I'd probably do that anyhow regardless of headstamps.

The 6mm-284 is another fine rig, not sure if it really needs to be legitimized. 6.5-284 is well on its way to being commercialized and probably deserves that status.

The 6.5x284 Norma is a commercial round with CIP agreement since 1999.

6/6.5x47 lapua
22/6.5x47 lapua

I load three Ackley imp, and a Mashburn Bee, but I dont consider them wildcats being one can fore factory ammo in them. But I do have a 6 TCU

Lyle

25-308(souper),6mm Armold Magnum (264 Win ),6PPC, 25-223, 22-243

223 AI
22-250 AI
250 AI
25-284
280 AI

5 wildcats I could go for are (1) either the 25-223 of 6.5X45 for a mild deer/varnmint rig (2) 25 Souper, (3) 416 Taylor, (4) 6mm-284 and (5) 223AI.

1. 358 STA
2. 358 RUM IMP.
3. 6.5 STW
4. 280 AI
5. 22-250 AI

Hoeram

quote:

Originally posted by seafire2:
Oh those are easy...

1. 6mm/08
2. 6mm x 57
3. 270/35 Whelen
4. 30/35 Whelen
5. 257 x 57
6. 338/7 Rem Mag
7. 22.250 necked up to 25 caliber
8. 6.5/08
9 30/358 Win

These have all proven to be pretty darn useful cartridges!

Seafire

You are great at pulling our leg. Every "wildcat" you mention is a great commercial round. Reflects the fact that very few wildcats exist anymore that actually fill a niche that you cannot fill with a commercial cartridge. Hell. Even the odd-ball and rare cartridges that went out of production can be bought with proper head stamps from some place off the internet anymore.

The big exception is a good .35 wildcat is still hard to find.

Barstooler

Barstooler

AI's are not wildcats they are improved cartridges.

338/375 Ruger

6.5x300 RCM

25/7mm WSM

22/284

What about the ?????

250 Savage/AI

25 Souper

Aloha, Mark

My friend John has developed a short action 416. Not sure what he is calling it yet. But he has two rifles chambered in it now. If my memory is correct he claims to be getting around 2400fps with a 400gr bullet. Bet it knocks elk down like thunder!
MM
I will see if I can get his specs for you guys.

Bobcat
Puma
Leopard
Caracal
Angelina Jolie

Gents,

Just two....

450 Alaskan with a factory 71 for it.(set up for scout scope)

404 Ruger

Roger QSL

If I wanted to actually move a lot of brass, and at the same time help out a lot of shooters, I'd forget the small niches of the market which own any particular one (or 5) wildcats.

I'd sell properly headstamped BASIC cylindrical (un-necked) brass of a length which would allow folks to make darned near any wildcat or factory round ever produced on certain head sizes and styles.

At this moment, my five basic choices would be:

1. Basic Newton brass, stamped "Newton Basic", and being 3.00" long

2. Basic .450 Nitro brass, stamped ".450 Nitro Basic", and being 3.5" long

3. Basic '06 brass, stamped "1906 Basic", and being 2.75"long (great for the Gibbs series, among others).

4. Basic H&H belted brass, headstamped "Basic Belted Mag", and being 3.00" long.

5. Basic 416 Rigby brass, stamped ".416 basic", and being 3.25" long.

None of the brass would come necked to any diameter, but it would all be properly annealed so it could be easily necked & trimmed by the purchaser.

Then, if I was to ever add to the line, I'd do so with the basic .222 Rimmed (but of 50 m/m length, basic .30-30 or .38-55 of 2.5" length, basic .50-110 brass of 2.75" length, and basic PPC of 45 m/m length. There's probably other basic lines which would sell too, but that's enough for the moment to make the point, I figger.

Ted 68,

I reckon they are a wildcat for a reason. Arguably it's not so cool to own a 25-06 as opposed to a 25 Neider.

Instead of figuring out what cases to hold as "stock", I reckon you should focus on finding a way to produce properly headstamped brass to order for whatever the client wants at a price cheap enough that makes forming your own a marginal exercise. I know easier said then done.

Good luck with your project.

Regards
JohnT

6.5x55 BJAI
7x57 AI
8-06 AI
35 Whelen

I don't hunt elephants.
I like and have the following
223AI
22-250AI
243AI
6mmWOA
257WSM

5 that i own and use are
243 ackley yotes
6mm-284 yotes
257-7mag deer
270-300 win mag deer and elk
338 lapua improved elk
Got most north american critters covered...

If you want to sell it:

.257 Imp (40)
.22-250 Imp (40)
.280 Imp (40)
.30x.375 Ruger Imp (w/ whatever should is most popular).
Then its kind of up for grabs on the last one: 6x.284 probably, but it coudl be .25x284, 6mm Dasher, X or XC, .22BR or 6.5 BR.

If it was up to my wants:
.22-250 Imp.
.257 Imp.
6.5 WSM
6.5 Gibbs .280
.30 x.280 Imp.

the ones i thought of have been mentioned a number of times
but here is my pick its writen up in # 11 C O W
book
.250 Hummdinger
i now call it the .250 Hum-D

243 ai
6mmai
6.5-06imp
6.5 wsm
338-06imp

416 B&M 6.5 WSM
458 B&M 358 STA
50 B&M Super Short 358 Ultra
50 B&M Long 9.3X338 Winchester
500 MDM Ultra 458 AR

How can you stay with 5 only!!!!! Oh, I forgot these,
264 WSSM
338 WSM
9.3 Ultra
50 B&M Alaskan
510 Wells

Michael

That did not post correctly

416 B&M
458 B&M
50 B&M Super Short
50 B&M Long
500 MDM Ultra

Then it should have been
6.5 WSM
358 STA
358 Ultra
9.3X338 Winchester
458 AR

Then the other 5

M

FWIW

.22K Hornet
.257 Ackley Improved
6.5-06
.358 STA
.416 Taylor

25 Souper!!!
Aloha, Mark

I guess not all of these are true wildcats - but close enough:

25-284
280 AI
338-06
416 Taylor
50 Alaskan

quote:

Originally posted by Ted68:
Hey guys,

Give me a list of the five wildcats or improved cartridges you think should be legitimized. This is for a shooting supply business catering to wildcatters so this properly headstamped brass will have to sell, not sit around my garage.

Here are the ones we are considering:

22-250 AI
338-375 Ruger
30-375 Ruger
25 SAUM
257 Roberts AI

Then there are two my partner and I can't agree on, a 270-308 and a 7mm-375 Ruger.

So what say ye? Hairbrained idea or a worthwhile business?

So Ted, Now that you've got about 4 months of our suggestions.
How about some feed back - Which ones did y'all pick?

I saw that no one mentioned the 450 Ackley. I like it a lot, maybe because I have one and it is a very accurate round. And if in a pinch you can shoout 458wm, 458 lott and 450 watts rounds out of it I believe, although I have never done so.

223 AI
22-250AI
224 Minicoop McGowenbarrel.com
6.5 WSM
338WSM
338 S&S Rogue 338 X 378 Improved
416 Taylor
416 S&S Rogue 416 X 378 Improved
510 S&S Rogue 500 A-Square Improved

My most commonly used on the short list