5 Most Usefull Wildcats

30 January 2008, 21:04

Ted68

Hey guys,

Give me a list of the five wildcats or improved cartridges you think should be legitimized. This is for a shooting supply business catering to wildcatters so this properly headstamped brass will have to sell, not sit around my garage.

Here are the ones we are considering:

22-250 AI
338-375 Ruger
30-375 Ruger
25 SAUM
257 Roberts AI

Then there are two my partner and I can't agree on, a 270-308 and a 7mm-375 Ruger.

So what say ye? Hairbrained idea or a worthwhile business?

30 January 2008, 21:25

boom stick

416, 458, 475, 500 A.R. Would sell I think...

30 January 2008, 22:09

grizz007

boom, surely you can come up with one more to make it five-have another cup of joe!

30 January 2008, 22:11

mr rigby

The 270-308 wildcat is known as .270 Redding.

I think the 7mm /.375 Ruger would be a fine round, and my choice would be something like the 6.5 RSAUM as a standarized round.

For big game rounds, why not the .460 G&A or .450 G&A .

30 January 2008, 22:38

bartsche

Oh my !

7 X 41

7.62 X 41

.357 X 41

.375 X 41

8mm X .404 X 2.5"

And #5+ .358 X .404 IMP

Ego? Ego? We don't need no stinken Ego.

roger

31 January 2008, 00:54

Bent Fossdal

Easy!

.300 FGC
.338 FGC
.375 FGC
All made on .30-06 head size, 2,8" case, 3,6" OAL to fill out the magazine on the ever popular Rem 700.

Another dream-mashine is the .375 Whelen.

And, like Bartche says, ego stinks, so I'll round it off with the .425 Fossdal.

31 January 2008, 03:21

Bwana-be

470 Mbogo (C'mon guys!)
358-404 x 2" (2.6" COL = Marlin 1895)
475-404 x 2" (rechamber 1895RL from 475 Linebaugh)
264 Ruger subcompact (2.33" case, 3.10" COL)
423-257Wb (Think Rem 7600)

... let's see, that's five.

31 January 2008, 03:53

nordrseta

quote:
Originally posted by Ted68:
This is for a shooting supply business catering to wildcatters so this properly headstamped brass will have to sell, not sit around my garage.

So what say ye? Hairbrained idea or a worthwhile business?

Neither...it's nice of you to try to be helpful but wildcatters are even more fickle than the regular sporting public.

31 January 2008, 04:08

Idaho Sharpshooter

Wildcats generally need speed to be worthwhile so...

22-284 I got one 80gr bullets at nearly 3600fps
358 UMT Bryce Towsley's LR 35 on the RUM
9,3-375R See, they are good for something!
416 RUM
550 Gibbs if you want to brag on building the biggest and baddest in factory ammunition

JMHO...

Rich
DRSS
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31 January 2008, 05:47

jeffeosso

550 Magnum
470 Mbogo
458 AR
416 ruger or AR
708

opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com

31 January 2008, 06:42

Canuck

quote:
9,3-375R See, they are good for something!

Losing 0.009" in bullet diameter makes it a good cart, eh? Now I know you've been yanking our chain all along.

Canuck

31 January 2008, 06:58

Canuck

quote:
This is for a shooting supply business catering to wildcatters so this properly headstamped brass will have to sell,

So, you are looking for 5 carts that are popular enough that people will buy pre-formed brass with headstamps, rather than make their own, unheadstamped brass? Or are you wanting to invest in carts that may not be big sellers today but may catch on??

My personal preference is the 470 Mbogo...would love to see that brass more widely available (surprise, surprise eh!)

But if you are looking at selling to an existing market, I think the following might be OK sellers for you:

416 Taylor
375 Taylor
6.5 WSM
8mm-06
280 AI

If you are looking at getting ahead of the curve, or creating a market by making headstamped brass available, maybe:

470 Mbogo
550 Magnum
458 AR
338 Ruger
416 Ruger (although I think this will be a legit factory cart at some point)

31 January 2008, 07:24

308Sako

I would strongly suggest that you contact Redding and RCBS and see if they will tell you which "wildcat's" sell regarding die sales.
My choices would be
.22 K Hornet
.22/250 AI
.257 Bob AI
6.5/06 (after edit!)
.270 Redding

31 January 2008, 07:35

jeffeosso

338/06, 280AI, and 708 are all factory rounds these days... i think A2 took even the 416T through saami..

31 January 2008, 08:06

Con

My pick:
1. 416Taylor (or 416Ruger ... we need a standard length 416cal)
2. 458AR (again for standard length actions)
3. 25/08 Souper
4. 358RUM
5. 500AR (brilliant flagship chambering in standrad length actions!!)
Cheers...
Con

31 January 2008, 19:13

MT Gianni

6.5/06 35 Whelen AI to add a couple.

31 January 2008, 19:58

Canuck

quote:
6.5/06

I forgot about that one.....I second that motion. Quite a popular 'cat around here, and I am sure I will probably have one someday (when I get tired of fiddling with brass for my 6.5 Gibbs!).

Cheers,
Canuck

31 January 2008, 22:08

boom stick

Maybe have one cat that nobody else is doing...
Bent... Yes the world needs a good supply of the 425 Fossdal!
That should prove quite popular IMHO

02 February 2008, 05:29

Bwana-be

I'm intrigued by the interest in the 358-RUM. I made a 358-404 so I share the sentiment, but really, the availabilty of 337- and 375- caliber bullets makes me wonder why there's support for a 35 cal. It's not like the STW or even Norma do that well in sales.
For a biz prop, it would make more sense to get a flexible setup that can do runs of 250 cases or so, in WHATEVER wildcat the customer wishes. Get a solid set of neck sizing dies for the popular caseheads (223, '06, WM, RUM, 404J, Rigby, maybe WSM, RSAUM and Ruger Mag?) and a press to stamp the name on.

02 February 2008, 09:58

DuaneinND

22BR
22/243 Middlested
257DGR of course
358 STA
416 Taylor

04 February 2008, 15:57

Eurrider

what about the 224-6mm Rem AI?

Just read an artical about it and LOAD DATA has a load for it although there are only a few loads listed.

07 February 2008, 01:28

gumboot458

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Wildcats generally need speed to be worthwhile so...

22-284 I got one 80gr bullets at nearly 3600fps
358 UMT Bryce Towsley's LR 35 on the RUM
9,3-375R See, they are good for something!
416 RUM
550 Gibbs if you want to brag on building the biggest and baddest in factory ammunition

JMHO...

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

......... .... ...Now how can someone that I disagree with so much like such nice wildcats ..... ..My 5,,,,,, 17/22 K Hornet ,#2 30 Gibbs ,cause it aint a pos 06

..#3 9.3x338RUM #4 .411 AR ..# 5 416 RUM .......

07 February 2008, 02:46

phurley5

I agree with DuaneinND, the .358 STA needs to be in the group. Good shooting.

07 February 2008, 03:44

maddenwh

338/06
358 sta
416 Taylor
470 Mbogo
416/375R

08 February 2008, 03:04

Atkinson

I can't normally justify wildcats today, the days of the wildcatter have come and gone IMO..It's all been done from a practical point of view...

The Wildcats I liked best back when were:

338-06 but the 338 Win killed it for me
250 Ackley
7x57 Ackley

Today I just shoot the 338, 250-3000 and 7x57, not any difference in trajectory or killing powder...

The only wildcat I shoot today is the 6x45 on a L-461 sako action, custom stocked and its a real dandy..Shot a lot of hogs, deer and antelope with it..

10 February 2008, 10:36

waterrat

My picks would be

22-06
6.5 STW
35 RUM
425 Express
500 Capstick

The gun I shoot the most is a S&W 617, that would be #6 thougk

12 February 2008, 17:28

Bent Fossdal

quote:
Originally posted by waterrat:

500 Capstick

What is a .500 Capstick?

13 February 2008, 03:12

.429

All wildcats are usefull, just for different things. Not that anyone else in the world has one, but I could use some brass (magnum length) marked 429 Harvey. I'm forming from 416 Remington brass.
Apex bbl, 350 gr. Hawk with 88 grns Reloader 15. I've thought about making a Lott out of it but it still shoots under an inch. Now if Sierra etc. will just start making .429 rifle bullets.
Currently making 375 Whelen Improved from 35 Whelen brass. With N540 and a 24" bbl, this is a fairly serious round. 300 gr Kodiak's at substantially over 2400fps. All that being said I don't think that I'll ever build another wildcat. A 6.5/06 might be nice though and a 510 Wells would be cool. Wildcatters will always be out there but that may stop when the "perfect round" is finally developed.

13 February 2008, 03:21

RaySendero

6.5/06
338/06
35 WSSM
375/50DGR
416 Taylor

27 February 2008, 08:55

.530Woodleigh

I would think the .223 AI, the .22-250 AI, and any popular diameter based on the '06 AI cartridge. Also, possibly the 7X57 AI for short mauser actions. troll

27 February 2008, 17:02

Bug

I'll have to add my vote for the 6.5-06 - it's just a natural. How about a .25 Souper (.25-08)?
To change the p.o.v. a bit, could a person buy ready-made brass without a headstamp, and just do custom headstamps??? Maybe include a bit of custom neck resizing? What about offering in-stock dies to go along with your custom brass?

27 February 2008, 21:50

IOWADON

.22/6MM Remington - It would be nice to have a flatter shooting .22 caliber rifle.
6MM-06 - I have one and its easy to just neck down .25-06 cases and get a very flat trejectory.
.17 Hornet - I use one a lot for small varmints out to about 200 yards and have got coyotes, fox, raccoons, bobcats and a badger with it. The barrel does not even get copper fouled and supposidly will last over 10,000 rounds. I much prefer it to the .17 Remington I had, which made more noise, burned out barrels, and copper fouled.
After that about the only slot I can think of not filled by factory cartridges would be a .257 STW.

28 February 2008, 04:29

Hipshoot

If you are going to make up brass for wildcats---------do it for the calibers that the AVERAGE reloader that can't do it! Odd brass, odd cal. bullets, or brass that has to be worked toooo much or layhe turned!

Good Luck!
Hipshoot

28 February 2008, 04:31

Hipshoot

Sorry,
Just reread your post----I would go mostly AI's and short magnums!
Hip

28 February 2008, 06:43

Mark Dobrenski

4 me it is:

223 AI
6/06
7 Mashburn Super
338/06
416 Taylor

Mark D

29 February 2008, 08:21

TwentyTwo

Ted68:

Might there be a market for John Wooters' famous .25-222 Copperhead or the .257 Kimber? Those two "mildcats" should be fun to shoot, cheap to feed and useful for game and varmints through coyote as far as 200 yards. I have no idea what the possible market might be.

29 February 2008, 09:24

seafire2

Oh those are easy...

1. 6mm/08
2. 6mm x 57
3. 270/35 Whelen
4. 30/35 Whelen
5. 257 x 57
6. 338/7 Rem Mag
7. 22.250 necked up to 25 caliber
8. 6.5/08
9 30/358 Win

These have all proven to be pretty darn useful cartridges!

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01 March 2008, 01:55

Con

quote:
Originally posted by TwentyTwo:
Ted68:

Might there be a market for John Wooters' famous .25-222 Copperhead.

You mean that would be Arthur Langsford's 25Myra. John Wooters could have store bought loaded ammunition in central NSW when he published the 25Copperhead articles. Likewise 17Vixen (17-22Magnum), 17TinyMite (17-22RF) ... there's nothing new under the sun.

seafire2,
Tell me more about the 6mm/08 ... sounds like a barrel burner

Cheers...
Con

01 March 2008, 07:49

Collins

From Florida you've asked this question so I'm assuming a US venture (metrics need not apply)...
the killing fields here include:
* Varmints
* Small Deer
* Large Deer
* Elk And Black Bear
* Brown Bear
Cool! 5 targets, 5 choices... not commercially available.

1. 22-250 AI
2. 25-06 AI (I don't even know if this one exists!)
3. 30-378wm (so I cheat, sue me)
4. 45-70 AI (Bwwwaahahahahahahah)
4 (really) 338-375 Ruger (not a 338 RCM)
5. 375-338 Lapua...

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