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False the bible exist because people are confused and looking for awseners in a story book..Something rewritten how many times by people who herd a tale or witnessed something they couldnt explain at the time and labeled it as a act of god | |||
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You could take a lot of the bibles passages, change them, scramble them up and as long as they made complete sentences most people would never know the difference. So much for using a man made object as a reference. | |||
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No need to ask grandma about radio-carbon dating. | |||
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Jacques Derrida, French Post-Structuralist literary critic, would be happy to explain to you the concept of intentional fallacy and textual indeterminacy. | |||
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well, tell him to get his shit in here then, ya pompous inveigler. | |||
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I love this thread! It rocks!  | |||
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Wow, this thread is still going. Sorry I haven't been around in awhile to comment, but I'm back working full time, and also going to school full time as well. I must say, however, thanks for the subject matter for my Philosopjy class. First paper I wrote on this thread got me an A, and I'm back for more. | |||
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Bump for the Texas school discussion. | |||
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Christianity: The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Makes perfect sense. If you want to believe, that's ok with me. To each his own. Kind regards, Carpediem No politician who supports gun control should recieve armed protection paid for by those he is trying to disarm. Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways-scotch in one hand-Chocolate in the other-body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WHOO-HOO, WHAT A RIDE!!" Madly Off In All Directions | |||
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Sure sounds like it. ...and another victim takes the bait. | |||
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The "something" was posed centuries ago as a problem in the conception of a First Source. Since everything physical seems to have a determinable beginning as far as anyone can scientifically or logically determine based upon observable evidence, and since there cannot be an endless self generating series of occurrences without having some starting point (and something to start it all), there must (or can be) a first source which is beyond being created and which is excels all that exists. This is God and God is self-defined as having existed forever, which is apparently the proper original statement in Hebrew of "I am who am". What passes for our kind of humanity is not old at all though there were no doubt many pre-human prototypes arising. God started with life in the sea, and not being concerned with time measured by the revolution of orbs somewhere in Creation, let all the beasties progress in the developing natural world. When the time came to prime the special pump it was no doubt done and when something arose which was worthy of final Divine replication, it was done. Let's not forget one thing: No one cares to any great degree about any of these discussed issues. As Darwin's followers said, "Hey, if there's no God, then we can really fornicate and do all that other stuff, like playing with our weenies and looking at dirty pictures, so wheeeee.... we aren't guilty, there is no Divine creation, no fall, no baptism, no need for salvation and no need for God." | |||
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Very simple.....if you believe matter is eternal (ie. the singularity existed prior to the big bang) then you've conceded that there's a supreme being. Call it what you will.....the nuances of emotion didn't arise from a spark in the primordial soup. God created evolution. | |||
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It seems you have twisted god into an event or matter of physics, which is hardly a god. But your last sentence sounds like you are looking for some reason to be feel guilty? | |||
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Nothing to be guilty about but other people do feel guilty which is why some become atheists. If there is no God then all the rules they are purportedly violating don't exist and they can indulge themselves. The trouble is that it still doesn't work out. Ditto for wayward believers. | |||
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Funny how all of the serious sins resemble poor judgement about consequences... TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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 You forgot the Eleventh Commandment Tom, "Thou shalt not piss"...... | |||
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Nah; the 11th is "Thou shall not get found out"  | |||
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This is a logical non-sequitur. The fact that matter cannot be created nor destroyed does not mean that God exists. It merely puts off the question of where everything came from a bit. Evolution is a fact. There is no need for a god hypothesis to prove evolution. The fact that we don't fully understand the origins of the universe does not mean that God did it. Personally, I'm comfortable with not understanding. Where did your God come from? Not understanding something does not mean that God did it. | |||
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In case you haven't been reading the Bible or any advanced Christian thinking (preferably Catholic) God always existed as if He didn't he would be a creature like us. Evolution is not exactly a fact except within a species. There is no proof that the whole matrix of development shown in textbooks as theory actually happened. There are contrary indicators. Look them up. I have better things to do like working on my Islamic muskets and miquelet locks. | |||
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I've read the bible. In two languages. I'm aware of the claims made therein about the nature of God. I find no supporting evidence for those claims other than the assurances of believers that it's true. Good luck with your muskets. | |||
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That is a cheap dodge if you have no stomach to debate your position. Just remember man has the capability to destroy all life on earth. When that life is gone there no reason to claim there is a god. Only man needs a god. The rest of the universe will get along without that notion. Advanced Christian thinking is an oxymoron. | |||
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The Bible gives you a taste of something which cannot be fully known considering God's infinite nature and He says as much from time to time. You must read the Catholic philosophers and the saints for an expanded view as the Bible is, for some purposes, a limited document which requires Divine revelation which is the exact claim of the Catholic church. All populations since the earliest times believed in some sort of Divine reality. | |||
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"where everything came from a bit"...What an understatement! The hand of God is all around us, if you take time to look. Let's look at water, vital to our existence. If it behaved like every other item I am aware of, it would get denser as it cools, and it does, up to the freezing point, then it becomes lighter. If ice were to continue to get denser, it would sink and build from the bottom up. The end result is no life in water. | |||
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God existed for all eternity before there was life. He says so in the Bible. He also guarantees every human will ultimately be in heaven or hell at the end of time and the final coming. Physical life can be destroyed but the sould lasts forever. The thought that body and soul were two separate critters go back even into Greek thinking, I vaguely recall. The theory of entropy, or whatever it is, says the universe and all matter is in a state of decay. Some scientists were cited as stating they don't know why anything stays together at all. Do some research if it doesn't interfere with making stocks for your matchlock barrels or whatever. There is a decent Protestant site known as WND or something to which I subscribe. Though a bunch of heretics they are very good in attacking some of these issues and have a lot of low cost paperbacks on the subjects. | |||
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I don't find your circular logic to be be convincing. The Bible is the word of God because people who believe the Bible is the word of God say it is. The same can be said of the Koran, the Torah, The Book of Mormon, Dianetics, and all other self-proving religious texts. Please provide a citation for you claim that all populations since the earliest times believed in some sort of Divine reality. Then please explain the relevance of the statement to this discussion. | |||
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We, like all forms of life, have adapted to thrive in our environment. The fact that we're well-suited to live on planet Earth proves nothing about the existence of a deity. | |||
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More circular reasoning. Also, are you serious in your reference to the Second Law of Thermodynamics? That law applies to closed systems. We live in an open system. | |||
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Even the friggin' cannibals of New Guinea, one of the most disgusting and isolated population groups, and whose language complexities indicate some may have come from higher culture, have their gods. In my collecting books on ol' crotch cultures, and this is the area of India and the South Pacific, there has never been one that didn't have a religion which didn't have a common thread such as "man coming out of the ground", (unless otherwise created by a God)a clear surviving remnant of God making man from the earth. This applies to one New Guinea tribe and the Navajo to best recollection. | |||
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So, what's the relevance? Assuming that what you wrote is true how does it support your assertion that the Catholic God exists? | |||
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I gotta get my corpus down to the VA hospital. Why don't you research some light reading from the Catholic side on this issue though there is a lot of non-religious writing on the subject. The issue here is not science or proof to any great degree. Some people are not going to believe because of pride or some special reason. Camile Paglia, a faggette artist and teacher, and very conservative, deals with God's condemnation of Homosexuality by simply saying there is no God. POOF! I can be a fruit without guilt. | |||
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I'm not going to read books from the Catholic side because I see no evidence to suggest that the Catholics (or any other religion) may be correct in their assertion that there is a God. It would be a waste of my time. It has been my experience that most atheists/free-thinkers/agnostics/skeptics/humanists reject God, not out of a desire to "sin", but rather because there is no evidence for the existence of a higher power. I reject your God for the same reasons I bet you reject Thor. There is no independence evidence to support his existence. Good luck at the VA. | |||
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There were eye-witness accounts of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead, turning water into wine, healing lepers and the blind. How, or why, do you reject numerous eye witness accounts? | |||
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The "eye-witness" accounts were written decades after the events supposedly took place. Additionally, eye-witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Do you also accept the numerous eye-witness accounts supporting Mormonism, Islam, Faith Healing Mega-Churches, email chain letters, penis enhancing pills, and for profit universities? Why turn off the bullshit detector when supernatural claims are made? | |||
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Christianity states there is one God and who existed for all eternity. He created the universe through his will. He "chose" the Jews which no doubt annoyed de debil who once had a similar position in heaven. He introduced a form of moral law and order through them which further annoyed de debil. He brought Christ incarnate through the Jews in fulfillment of a promise to Abraham to send a deliverer which really pissed off de debil. With the crucifixion of Christ the necessary blood sacrifice for all men to invoke for all time occurred, which began the ending of the Old Law. De debil flipped out in hysteria for he had defeated himself with his minions advocating the crucifixion of a man he wasn't sure was the Son Incarnate. Christ established the Church formally on Pentecost. One God, One church, one doctrine. Historically that church is the Catholic church. We were it. We are it. In a manner of speaking, therefore, "God is a Catholic". | |||
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Who will provide the grand design? What is yours and what is mine? 'Cause there is no more new frontier We have got to make it here We satisfy our endless needs and justify our bloody deeds, in the name of destiny and the name of God And you can see them there, On Sunday morning They stand up and sing about what it's like up there They call it paradise I don't know why You call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye | |||
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Akhenaten (play /ˌɑːkəˈnɑːtən/;[1] also spelled Echnaton,[6] Ikhnaton,[7] and Khuenaten;[8][9] meaning "living spirit of Aten") known before the fifth year of his reign as Amenhotep IV (sometimes given its Greek form, Amenophis IV, and meaning Amun is Satisfied), was a Pharaoh of the Eighteenth dynasty of Egypt who ruled for 17 years and died perhaps in 1336 BC or 1334 BC. He is especially noted for abandoning traditional Egyptian polytheism and introducing worship centered on the Aten, which is sometimes described as monotheistic or henotheistic. An early inscription likens him to the sun as compared to stars, and later official language avoids calling the Aten a god, giving the solar deity a status above mere gods. Akhenaten tried to bring about a departure from traditional religion, yet in the end it would not be accepted. After his death, traditional religious practice was gradually restored, and when some dozen years later rulers without clear rights of succession from the Eighteenth Dynasty founded a new dynasty, they discredited Akhenaten and his immediate successors, referring to Akhenaten himself as "the enemy" in archival records. Monotheism - It took a while to catch on. Given enough time Christianity itself will eventually be considered as silly as Akhenaten and will be forgotten. Given enough time man will become extinct and so will the invention of god. | |||
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As God presents himself as a single God with three components (sort of a father, Son, and Go-fer or foreman) de debil was most motivated to create as many gods as possible to insult god's oneness. As humanity multiplied rapidly and dispersed beyond Divine contact through Adam and Eve and their offspring, paganism arose. This separation from God was also a punishment for all humanity for the disobedience of Adam and Eve who infected all men with original sin. This makes humanity naturally rebellious and not inclined to obey Divine directives and counsel. The Jewish religion was the prepartory system which would introduce Christ who would not only be the last blood sacrifice, but as well as the only sacrifice of such worth that could appease an offended God. Under the Old Law there was material and animal sacrifice but this was insufficient. An offended divinity requires a Divinity-level sacrifice of atonement. That was Christ who was sacrificed out of love of humanity and the desire to save it. There is no parallel in all paganitry which approaches Christianity as presented by the Catholic church. Caananites once sacrificed their newborns in a firey furnace. Mexicans sacrificed on their pyramids and ate them. In those pre-Cortez days a Mexican burrito was literally a Mexican burrito. Human sacrifice and cannibalism was common everywhere at one time or another. As was slavery. Ultimately Christians stopped this latter practice where it existed even among themselves. Under assorted atheism or paganism slave populations could be exterminated or just permanently established as "workers" in a commune. Indeed something worse will happen as it is the opinion of the church that WWIII is coming and that the survivors will be under the control of the Antichrist, a fact of life planned from the beginnings of human time by de debil, and otherwise described in the Bible. There is a temporary answer to that in the message of Fatima but even that will merely change or delay some of the ultimate end times occurrences. However I'll take the delay until after I'm dead and all my property is safely accounted for. At least we live with an expectation that all past injustice will be accounted for at the end of time and that all humanity will be re-judged as a group and then sent on their way to salvation or damnation. There will be an ultimate satisfaction for those things we know of and for those things of which we can have no knowledge. God's justice will be revealed to all including the damned angels. | |||
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