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Originally posted by SR4759:

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Why concern yourself with what happened to the old Mayans?

Oh then why care about anyone living today?
Why fear death so much that it makes you babble like you do?

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Originally posted by S. PIEKARCZYK:
Otherwise I wouldn't have joined the Marines in late 1965.

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Originally posted by SR4759:

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Originally posted by S. PIEKARCZYK:
Otherwise I wouldn't have joined the Marines in late 1965.

Apparently your youth and ignorance overwhelmed your religious fervor in 1965.

I knew a Marine during that time frame. His advice was to stay away from the USMC. Having heard of his misery in the Solomons I felt his advice was some what valid.

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You don't know what you are talking about and may happen to be filled with hate for some particular personal reason

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I disagree with you, there for I must hate you?
No, I don't hate you. You are just wrong. You are kind of like Alan Colmes. Kind of a nice guy, just WRONG.

[quote] know what you think you are talking about. But from your standpoint, gimme some examples.[quote]
The bible lists 31 kindoms that were conquered by the Isrealite, including Jericho. No peace treaties were signed, except with Gibeonites, and no one was allowed to surrender.

Here's a quote from the story of Jericho:
And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.--Joshua 6:21

[quote]I haven't heard of that one. However Archbishop (now Cardinal) Law of Boston (or wherever) was the one who did a lot of that shuckin' an' jivin' with fruit priests (if I recall) and he was promoted and immediately sent to Rome where he will spend the rest of his life as a glorified and titled pastor of an Italian church. Otherwise he would have been arrested here and subjected to civil and criminal actions for knowingly and stupidly sending fag priest to other parishes, or whatever it was he did that resulted in more fruitish indulgence among the population.

I really wish you would contemplate this carefully. Your One True Church, with the approval of the Pope, GODS REPRESENATIVE ON EARTH, PROMOTED, AND IS HARBORING HIM OUT OF THE REACH OF JUSTICE.

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Your need to kick Catholics makes the above sound like you don't care if Protestants do the same thing as Catholics,

I never said that. You are arguing from a Catholic perspective, I am just disputing your point of view.

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The structure of the Church is God at the top, Christ as the head of the church, the Pope is his vicar on earth, and so on down the chain of rank to priests. Protestants deny this as they are, after all, Protestants and are stuck with what Luther and others gave them -

No, we are free of your Heirachy, and the various Protestant religions must compete for our dollars. For that matter, your church must now compete as well.

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There are plenty of people advocating fornicating with children. Try NAMBLA.

The difference is NAMBLA doesn't claim to be the one true religion, and that "God is always with them." I find it interesting that would have to res

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Almost sorta-kinda. The same thing happens today with persecution of those who support the Latin Mass which was extirped and repressed by a crowd of demon possessed lemmings (the bishops) on a worldwide basis despite the fact that the use of the quasi-heretical Novus Ordo Mass was not intended to totally displace the other.

This all falls under the banner of Marketing. When the Church began to see diminished memebership, This was their response. It was nothing more then an internal re-arranging of the deck chairs, and has no relevance to the question of does God exist.

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So, the holy ghost is always with them.
It unerringly guided the vote on proper church doctrine.

But it cannot guide it's own priest NOT TO HAVE SEX WITH CHILDREN.

This sentence is silly and immature. It has nothing to do with free will to do evil or the inherently corrupt nature of Man who suffers from original sin.
[quote]So tell us about the conflicts.

If you can't see the self serving nauture of the result of Nicea, you are more brainwashed then I thought. We've already discussed how idea's and texts that would permit people interpert the bibile without the aid of a Priest, or in other ways diminish th ability of the church to consolidate power (and hence collect money) were declared heretical.

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There are plenty of people advocating fornicating with children. Try NAMBLA.

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and sound like a Protestant who, maybe sixty years ago would be obsessed with the "wealth of the Church"

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Catholic church is the largest single aid provider in Africa and that money comes partly from those Sunday collections. Ditto for all your local charities and homes for the disabled or unwed mothers, etc. Look up "Catholic Charities" and see what you find.

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Originally posted by SR4759:
I cannot imagine how knowledge and religion would cause someone to think joining the USMC. Especially when the reward is an all expenses page trip to a stinking jungle.

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Originally posted by S. PIEKARCZYK:

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Originally posted by SR4759:
I cannot imagine how knowledge and religion would cause someone to think joining the USMC. Especially when the reward is an all expenses page trip to a stinking jungle.

People fight wars for reasons which involve issues of survival, treaty obligations, and morality. If you have no sense of morality and justice then you won't particularly mind people being sacrificed on pyramids and being eaten - or anything else, for that matter. Sometime around 1900 (plus or minus a decade or so) someone said that a person should be so morally indifferent to what went on around him that he should not be disturbed if someone were being raped nearby. People who study philosophy and suchlike would have likely come across that party's attitude in a study course.

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Originally posted by SR4759:

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Originally posted by S. PIEKARCZYK:

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Originally posted by SR4759:
I cannot imagine how knowledge and religion would cause someone to think joining the USMC. Especially when the reward is an all expenses page trip to a stinking jungle.

People fight wars for reasons which involve issues of survival, treaty obligations, and morality. If you have no sense of morality and justice then you won't particularly mind people being sacrificed on pyramids and being eaten - or anything else, for that matter. Sometime around 1900 (plus or minus a decade or so) someone said that a person should be so morally indifferent to what went on around him that he should not be disturbed if someone were being raped nearby. People who study philosophy and suchlike would have likely come across that party's attitude in a study course.

Yeah I know you have demonstrated your ability to be judgemental about everyone else's religion and morality. It seems that you have spent your life being a Kool-Aid drinker rather than a thinker. If you can't allow others to live their lives without all the preaching, don't be surprised when you get your shit shoved right back in your own face.

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Originally posted by tin can:
This is a long thread- it's a shame they deleted the links I had in my signature for the "rifle training at the nudist camp" pics.

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Originally posted by Antelope Sniper:

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There are plenty of people advocating fornicating with children. Try NAMBLA.

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The difference is NAMBLA doesn't claim to be the one true religion, and that "God is always with them."....

NAMBLA is exactly the way the whole population will wind up (depending on ones tastes) without Christ. But even with exposure to Christianity not everyone will make it. We are a fallen population and have free will with which we may reject Christian behavior or teaching - either partly, completely, or in merely falling off the wagon.

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quote: So, the holy ghost is always with them. It unerringly guided the vote on proper church doctrine. But it cannot guide it's own priest NOT TO HAVE SEX WITH CHILDREN.
Some priests are corrupt as are people generally. There have been fag uprisings in the Church going back to the tenth century a someone made note of the fact. The current plague, according to people who are able to speak of it obliquely, is punishment of the Church for the Popes not having consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, which from the Fatima promises of 1917 would bring about a conversion of that nation and ultimately the rest of the world for a time during which there would be peace. However, things would revert in due course much later and there would be the fulfillment of Biblical prophesy. Aside from the faults within the Vatican and demonic assaults therein, a lot of the Catholic population generally has gone a-whoring out from under the Church. They also will suffer from the prospect of major and perhaps nuclear war which according to the Apocalypse would bring the annihilation of several nations. When there is a sufficient indication of reform of at least the Catholic population the Pope will be moved to perform the consecration with all the bishops worldwide on the same day and same hour.

[QUOTE]If you can't see the self serving nauture of the result of Nicea, you are more brainwashed then I thought. We've already discussed how idea's and texts that would permit people interpert the bibile without the aid of a Priest, or in other ways diminish th ability of the church to consolidate power (and hence collect money) were declared heretical.

Common people generally cannot fully interpret the Bible correctly as they have no frame of reference which comes from the teaching authority of the Church. The Church was functioning for decades before the last texts of the Bible was written. There was no question of "interpreting" anything as the Church functioned with all necessary moral teachings which were willed by God to be revealed. This is called Tradition and is a continuation of Apostolic teachings which were passed on by those who knew the apostles when they yet lived. "Listen to your elders" is something which began in the Old testament and continued through the New. Protestantism is a reflection of what happens when there is no Divinely protected authority to present God's will. There are thousands of contradictory and opposing views all of which may be tolerated under Luther's premise of private interpretation. A lot of people will wind up believing nothing and become a bunch of demon worshiping savages vaguely describing their religious beliefs and gods to a curious newly arrived missionary.

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I disagree. Either Man has free will, or he doesn't. You cannot say that priest are only exercising their free will when they are corn holing little boys, but they are not exercising free will when they vote in a self serving Church Doctrine.

Strictly speaking, common priests do not define Church doctrine. No one, clergy or not, is consumed by hot lusts to spontaneously proclaim the doctrines relating to baptism. But they are possessed by strong inclinations to cackle and flap. This sort of thing affects everyone in some degree and is dealt with through a chaste marriage. As for self serving doctrine, the Church has done a fair job of expansion considering the opposition and persecution and teaching those things which go against the indulgence of gratuitous lusts as found among unbelievers. Rome and Greece were not exactly hotbeds of pious Christianity. Christian teaching would seem ridiculous from the standpoint of their daily behavior. Yet it spread. This involved the release of Divine graces. As it is said, "The blood of martyrs waters the growth of the Church". The first 26 popes all died that way with thousands of believers many of whom refused to perform the simplest of sacrificial offerings.

Archdiocese of Anchorage

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See also: Sexual abuse scandal in the Society of Jesus

Jesuits, by virtue of their higher order of training are capable of doing more damage when they go astray. The fruitation of the Church on the scale we now see is a matter of, "...you get the kind of priests you deserve".

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In 2007, the Society of Jesus made a $50 million payout to over 100 Inuits who alleged that they had been sexually abused. The settlement did not require them to admit molesting Inuit children, but accusations involved 13 or 14 priests who allegedly molested these children for 30 years.[56]

I assume we're talking about 1980 and later - by which time the results of the Vatican Lucifierians, Satanic priests and high Freemansons began to take its toll on the Latin Mass (effectively banned for all intents) and Church discipline. God funneled the fags into the church to give foolish but ostensibly faithful clergy a close up of what they were ignoring or protecting.

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and sound like a Protestant who, maybe sixty years ago would be obsessed with the "wealth of the Church"

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No, I just object to extortion.

People who give at Sunday collections and other places hardly suffer extortion at the hands of the Church. And these days church attendance has fallen as people have dived into nudity, lewdity and crudity.

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Catholic church is the largest single aid provider in Africa and that money comes partly from those Sunday collections. Ditto for all your local charities and homes for the disabled or unwed mothers, etc. Look up "Catholic Charities" and see what you find.

Sure, and Al Capone, and Whitey Bulger gave out hams and turkeys every Thanksgiving and Christmas.

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What percentage of the Plate actually goes to those Charities?? Last I checked it was under 10%

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With Christianity you are guaranteed to not wind up on a plate with side dishes of rice and beans.

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Originally posted by Norman Conquest:
Vance shot the sow.We were hunting together.I don't know if that's a record or not but it was impressive. He has started to use his long bow (which he built himself)for everything.Starting at Hog hunting but a couple of years ago there was a flooding down in Aransas Pass Wildlife Refuge that allowed the alligators to cross over the levies where Parks + Wildlife did not want them to be.Bow hunting was allowed;killing rattlesnakes was not;seems some Washington Bambiest decided that old Crotalus Horridus is endangered.Damn sure would have been had I come across one.

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I will believe when I am presented with absolute evidence

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Originally posted by SR4759:
I cannot imagine how knowledge and religion would cause someone to think joining the USMC. Especially when the reward is an all expenses page trip to a stinking jungle.

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Originally posted by wasbeeman:

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Originally posted by SR4759:
I cannot imagine how knowledge and religion would cause someone to think joining the USMC. Especially when the reward is an all expenses page trip to a stinking jungle.

If that's the only "reward" you see for joining the armed forces, you need to relocate. Say, to Samolia. Or anywhere outside of the USA.

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Originally posted by tin can:
scientists have pushed back the history of human tools by almost 1m years, with the discovery in Ethiopia of animal bones that were butchered 3.4m years ago with sharp stones.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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scientists have pushed back the history of human tools by almost 1m years, with the discovery in Ethiopia of animal bones that were butchered 3.4m years ago with sharp stones.

Just off I-15 between here and Las Vegas is an early man site with stone tools in a layer of earth that's 200,000 years old. Our native Americans may not have been the first ones...

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Originally posted by Malloy805:

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scientists have pushed back the history of human tools by almost 1m years, with the discovery in Ethiopia of animal bones that were butchered 3.4m years ago with sharp stones.

Just off I-15 between here and Las Vegas is an early man site with stone tools in a layer of earth that's 200,000 years old. Our native Americans may not have been the first ones...

http://www.skepticblog.org/201...akeys-laughingstock/

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Well, how about that? I guess I was easily gulled, maybe...

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Originally posted by Antelope Sniper:

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Well, how about that? I guess I was easily gulled, maybe...

Tom, I think the key word is "maybe".

I'd like to check it out sometime and decide for myself.

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Originally posted by Antelope Sniper:
To my untrained eye, the one on the right looks worked. The one on the left looks questionable.

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Originally posted by Antelope Sniper:
Malloy, People have used the division of labor and specialization for alot longer then we give them credit for, so that wouldn't suprise me. We also know they traded stone, and finished stone tool over fast distances in Europe. One of difference in early Modern Man and Neandertol, it that Neandertol usually made all their tool out of local stone, where Modern Man used a varity of stone for all over.

I can also tell you are not a professional archieologist. An archeologist would claim the fire ring was some kind of "ceremonial" center. They would never attribute a common daily usage to it. Recently were visited some Anistazi ruins. There was this strange rock carved to hold water. The archeologist thought it had some kind of ceremonial purpose. To me it look like a good way to water the dogs.

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Originally posted by SR4759:

When they were loose they were carried off as curiosities.

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When they were loose they were carried off as curiosities.

That's probably a fine&time these days. I've read where a person got rousted at a national battlefield site for looking too intently at the ground and examining something he saw there.