Saw this auction on G B, ( no horse in the race for me ) but I can't imagine the recoil of a .458 Lott in an 18" barreled 5 pound rifle. I think the thing would jump out of my hands. Wish they would post a picture!
Any takers?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=70593879

Don't care too much for the Remington rcvr but I am interested in what kind of velocities can obtained from an 18" barrel. Anyone experiment with this much? R.

That must truly hurt!

If it were a Mauser instead of a Remington, I would buy it.

500gr bulleet, with 84gr powder, making 2200fps, in a 5 lb rifle. Equals, 128 ftlb of recoil @ 40 fps

I will pass on that. Bet jeffe will too.

Keith

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Originally posted by 500grains:
If it were a Mauser instead of a Remington, I would buy it.

well put.

grains, are you in the short barrel club?

with an 18 inch barrel it will be doing win mag performance i am sure...500@ 2150

Many years ago when I worked in a gunshop a gent came in with a MkV Wthby in .460. He had put it in a slimmed down thumbhole stock, and had cut the barrel to 16 1/4". He said that he carried it when on horseback in case of a bear encounter. He did claim it was quite unpleasent to shoot.....I had no desire to try it, even though he offered....he seemed like an honest person so I took his word for it.
I would like to shoot the one talked about here though.....now I am older and proabably less wise!

This "stunt gun" needs to wind up in Saeed's collection. So he can let his buddies shoot a "little rifle". About all it is good for.

For anyone else to want it, they are a few cards shy of a full deck. Reguardless of the action it is built on.

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500gr bulleet, with 84gr powder, making 2200fps, in a 5 lb rifle. Equals, 128 ftlb of recoil @ 40 fps

Keith

I was at my gunsmith's a couple of years back and he had a 6.5 Lb, 378 Weatherby that someone had asked him to install a brake on.

Brake or no brake, I was not interested in shooting it.

....Bet SAFARI KID would enjoy it......I would prefer it to a 12 lb 458 lott.They get carried lots and shot little.......It may not be fun to shoot but with its Scout proportions it would be fun to have around ...Esspecially on a CRF...

IMHO, there is no way a rifle like that would be "shootable."

First, it would kick the snot out of you no matter how hard you held it, and you would want to hold it hard.

Next, as a result, you would develop the flinch from hell.

Third, because of its light weight, short barrel, the fact that you would want to put a death grip on it, and the inevitable pre-flinch and flich-induced jitters, it would be impossible to hold steady and shoot well.

It's true that somebody thought it was a good idea and built it.

But it's also true and not surprising that it's now for sale.

I think it would be good for one shot, after you have convinced yourself that recoil wouldn't be that bad, that you wouldn't develope a flinch, that you would not have a "pre-flinch", etc.....after that first shot though, you would never trust yourself again!!

Also, that rifle could be sold/traded to 20 different owners, and probably be shot less than 20 rounds!!!!

8 1/2lbs is as light as I'd go on a 45Mag with a well designed stock. Even then, I'd pull out the sissy pad and limit bench testing to about ten rounds/day. Power is wonderful but Safarikid can have my helping of recoil.

Congomike, perhaps that gent with the sawed off .460 just loaded a bunch of 2400 or some other muzzleflashy powder and relied on the "thunder and lightning" for protection?

I think that by the time you got it sighted in from the bench and did any load development you would be ready to sell it!
A dream to carry and a "flinchin' nightmare" to shoot!
Just my humble opinion.

snellstrom for a guy harder than a coffin nail you have amazingly good sense.

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Originally posted by 500grains:
If it were a Mauser instead of a Remington, I would buy it.

Have Satterlee build a Ti Mauser action for you and then build the rifle of your dreams! A 6 lb 458 Lott ought to be doable.

I am only selling it because I decided to go with the same,but 500 Jeffery...I am selling it and the matching 416,both on 700 Titaium actions..I must be numb or something because I Never feel them when hunting ! They are almost done...by the way,the 500 Jeffery will weigh more..6 pounds!(due to a heavier Win 70 SS action..yes,16" barrel!

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Originally posted by mrlexma:
IMHO, there is no way a rifle like that would be "shootable."

First, it would kick the snot out of you no matter how hard you held it, and you would want to hold it hard.

Next, as a result, you would develop the flinch from hell.

Third, because of its light weight, short barrel, the fact that you would want to put a death grip on it, and the inevitable pre-flinch and flich-induced jitters, it would be impossible to hold steady and shoot well.

It's true that somebody thought it was a good idea and built it.

But it's also true and not surprising that it's now for sale.

Gumboot458..On the .600 Overkills,my first one was 9 1/2 pounds and the 2nd one on Kevlar is 8 3/4 pounds

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Originally posted by gumboot458:
....Bet SAFARI KID would enjoy it......I would prefer it to a 12 lb 458 lott.They get carried lots and shot little.......It may not be fun to shoot but with its Scout proportions it would be fun to have around ...Esspecially on a CRF...

500grains...doing another now,500Jeffery on Win 70SS Control feed with 16"SS ported barrel,36"oal and 6 pounds,plus another 3/4pd for 2.5 Leupold scope/mnts

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Originally posted by 500grains:
If it were a Mauser instead of a Remington, I would buy it.

safarikid...

i see a 50 bmg derringer in your future

but seriously i like your style...

lar45's 4 bore pistol and 500 s&w case for comparison.

and a light bulb having its way with a 4 bore case
but its not turned on yet

safari kid...do you need a sidearm to match you 4 bore???

I would think it would be extremely difficult to keep that rifle togeather after a few shots!

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Originally posted by Snellstrom:
Saw this auction on G B, ( no horse in the race for me ) but I can't imagine the recoil of a .458 Lott in an 18" barreled 5 pound rifle. I think the thing would jump out of my hands. Wish they would post a picture!
Any takers?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=70593879

They could rename it the .458 S&M . I don't even wanna be around anyone shootung that thing due to flying equipment.

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
I am only selling it because I decided to go with the same,but 500 Jeffery...I am selling it and the matching 416,both on 700 Titaium actions..I must be numb or something because I Never feel them when hunting ! They are almost done...by the way,the 500 Jeffery will weigh more..6 pounds!(due to a heavier Win 70 SS action..yes,16" barrel!

Wow! I truely don't know what to say, other than, you'd probably take George Forman's (in his prime) best shot and ask him if he's going to hit you yet!

Wow,that is interesting! Is it available,who made it,and does it realy shoot?If so and the price is right,why not!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by boom stick:


lar45's 4 bore pistol and 500 s&w case for comparison.

and a light bulb having its way with a 4 bore case
but its not turned on yet

safari kid...do you need a sidearm to match you 4 bore???

safarikid...

p.m. lar45

i dont know if it is for sale but if not you could commision one to be made in all your other ones too...a 500 jeffeery, 600, 700 and lott pistols could come in handy if you spent all your ammo and whatever it is still wants to chomp or stomp you. stick it in its mouth and let its head take the recoil...

Detached retina...

eeeeew! that is just gross...

hanguns just break wrists...

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Originally posted by boom stick:
safarikid...

p.m. lar45

i dont know if it is for sale but if not you could commision one to be made in all your other ones too...a 500 jeffeery, 600, 700 and lott pistols could come in handy if you spent all your ammo and whatever it is still wants to chomp or stomp you. stick it in its mouth and let its head take the recoil...

You can also light your way back to camp after dark with it .

reel men can just headbut the primer...lol

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Originally posted by Hog Killer:
500gr bulleet, with 84gr powder, making 2200fps, in a 5 lb rifle. Equals, 128 ftlb of recoil @ 40 fps

I will pass on that. Bet jeffe will too.

Keith

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FORTY fps? 27.2 MPH
Yeah, i'll pass!!! heck, i think even rob would pass

jeffe

KSTEPHENS,
I was thinking the same thing...
The 4 bore pistol...
maybe detached cabeza?

I'd seriously like to see video of those lightweights being fired.
Any vids safarikid?

maybe not full 4 bore loads...but then again what are "plinker" 4 bore loads...but like i said...shove it in its mouth and pull.

Safari Kid, you might as well shoot the 600 nitro pistol. It has a 17" barrel with the brake and weighs 7 1/2 lbs. It is bigger and weighs more than you4 505 rifle will. I will let you know how it shoots, me and Kamakazzi are shooting it on May 20th. It probably kicks less than those featherwieght monster rifles of yours. I thought I was nuts for getting it, glad I have company on this forum.

My Gawd some of you Guys are hardore ... I'm OK with some chamberings through the .458 Lott and .470 NE in rifles of reasonable weight ... but a 5 pound Lott???

My Gawd some of you Guys are hardcore!

I will take some later with the new toyz,but here is one in case you didnt see it yet of my 4 bore in action(2000gr@1400fps)(26 pounds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHfzdQ8HWoI

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Originally posted by 300H&HKSTEPHENS,
I was thinking the same thing...
The 4 bore pistol...
maybe detached cabeza?

I'd seriously like to see video of those lightweights being fired.
Any vids safarikid?

Holy cow safarikid! Those videos are great.

I was impressed with my 460 (but I've yet to shoot it unbraked!)

Nice shooting and a great gun.

Keith

Ah, guys, I'm not a regular on this forum. But I have been to hell and back with a similar gun, not quite as frisky perhaps.

I had a smith build a .416x300 WSM for me. I use sensible 350gr bullets at ~2300. It kicks, but is doable.

He had built a bolt gun for himself using the .300 WSM necked up to .45 and used 400gr bullets. He wanted me to try it. A 5.5 lb gun with 16-1/4" barrel. He loaded his rounds to about 2200.

I wear glasses. I weigh 145 lbs. I fired that sumbid four times. Kinda makes you want to take up golf. No thanks. Broke my glasses, bruised my cheek, bloodied my nose, vision was out of focus for about 15 minutes. There are limits.

gudlif

The most I was ever terrified of a gun was trying to sight in my dad's 30-06 w/ a metal butt plate at around 12 y.o. for elk season.

I can tell you it took a lot of concentration to jump from an 300 H&H to bench a 416 Rigby and not flinch.
To tell you the truth, a 577 T-Rex felt better because of the pad. I guess it's a bare nuckle/gloves scenario.

Either way, safari kid, et. al. must have somthing I don't. Maybe I'll pick a fight w/a bouncer at the clubs for practice...

gudlif,
welcome to big bores.. try some 350s at 1800 and work up from there