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Whats the latest on the firing pin issue? JD DRSS 9.3X74 tika 512 9.3X74 SXS Merkel 140 in 470 Nitro | ||
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 ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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What firing pin issue? | |||
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 ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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should read .. WHAT firing pin opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I called them twice to offer help with the machining issues ( left mdetailed messages) and never even received a return call. Radio silence-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Maybe there's some new information posted over at montanarifleco.com  ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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This an inside joke? | |||
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Not very inside or much of a joke if you have been waiting a long time. Actions still not available. This time in the long list of problems the folks who were supposed to do the firing pins went belly up. No firing pins and no design plans that seem to have dissapeared as well if I understood right. If this project ever comes to fruition there will be a lot of happy people on AR. If not it will be torch and pitchfork time. Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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Seeing that their website is gone, I think I might be out my down payment on my PH action. "Pray not for lighter burdens, but for stronger backs." T. Roosevelt | |||
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I am in love. | |||
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The Montana Rifleman site is ok, they make the barrels.. The MRC site must have got a ad company moved on them until they renew the domain name registration.Or do another site, with a changed layout. I called Monday and they got a company making the firing pins and expect to be delivering in a couple months.ED MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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Good luck with that! ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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Does the word bankrupt start to enter here yet? They can't do refunds because they have no money and now they couldn't keep up the web site. I wonder if they will answer the phone on Friday? | |||
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Ed: With MRC, it's ALWAYS A COUPLE MORE MONTHS..  Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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Look a firing pin for a Mauser knockoff isn't exactly high tech. We have CADCAM systems and CNC equipment that makes aero-space and medical devices. Pretty sure a firing pin is within scope. I'm very disappointed in this company and my BS meter is at tilt right now. At least they could return calls from customers willing and capable of helping. My guess is I'll never see my actions.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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I am 100% with Rob on this. It is/was my understanding that these actions had already been proof fired at one time, were these done with a single firing pin and or bolt assembly? If all is needed is a firing pin, is there any reason I cannot take delivery of the action that I had paid for two years ago this spring? Not too mention the six plus years I've been waiting. And if that is the only concern then I can have a pin made for it here. And as far as the drawings for the pin design it should not be a problem taking the measurements from the existing pin s and moving forward with this. At this time I'm not willing to invest in having mine barrelled until I have it in hand to examine the quality and such of it. I would like to take delivery of the "PH" action I paid for with or without the firing pin otherwise if there is someone who would like to buy me out or trade a CZ magnum action for mine I would be open. I can have the pin made here with or without the designs for it. Rodney. | |||
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not only can't they pruduce the ph, but they aren't even producing 1999's. Nor are they producing refunds! There is no firing pin issue, there is a financial issue. ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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Sorry to say that I too am with Rob and RodneyH. I'd like some evidence suggesting those of us who put our $$$ up didn't spend it foolishly. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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+1 So much for the .500A2 I began planning in 2004. | |||
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Found this review on Brownells website. Maybe your better off anyway: PROS Aesthetically Pleasing CONS Limited Function Unreliable BEST USES NONE <- Ouch Comments about MONTANA RIFLE COMPANY STAINLESS RH STD. BOLT FACE LONG ACT.: The bolt does not always correctly engage the top round in the magazine. Sometimes the bolt simply slides over the top of the cartridge in the magazine. Other times the bolt pushes the cartridge into the chamber but the claw extractor does not grasp the case. The bolt binds and is hard to open. It is also hard to close the bolt at least for the first half inch of travel. The user must be almost violent with the bolt to get it to open and cycle correctly. While a bolt action rifle is meant to be worked vigorously, this bolt action is finicky and difficult to cycle. Bottom Line No, I would not recommend this to a friend There are two types of people in the world: those that get things done and those who make excuses. There are no others. | |||
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Really sorry to hear about this for all of you. It really hurts the rest of the small custom shops when one turns out bad ... Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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It is exasperating, but sometimes the birthing pains are more difficult. I will be sticking with them until the very last dog is shot and hung up to dry. They just have too much potential to desert them now. Rich | |||
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I wish you luck Rich, I hope they make it right for all of you. Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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I have no dog in this fight, nor do I care to tell another man how to operate his business it isn't my place. But since I have seen this come up several times on this forum, it finally peaked my curiosity, so I went and looked at the website;   and if this firing pin issue is really all that is holding this show up, my oldest son is very skilled with my Lathe and would be happy to turn those out, he could probably make about 40 of them a day. And I have a very nice heat treat furnace so I could finish them to any specs required. This is a serious offer, if you can get your action without the firing pin just let me know and my shop would be happy to furnish the firing pin built to your specs, I know my son would love the extra pocket money and it wouldn't cut into my workbench time to do it. Colin | |||
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We need to talk... Rich | |||
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They got companies making firing pins now, and will soon be getting them, so they can finish and ship out. They really don 't want to ship without themselves assembling and setting pin protusion and having the safety set right when done. Probably insurance red tape you know. They Blue Pill tested 3-4 actions to start, with first few pins they had from mfg to check, last summer. They worked and they called guy to get rest delivered, and he had filed bankruptcy. They sent me first one tested before they knew about the guy going bellyup. I got it early on, because I had barrel in the lathe and stock ready, and we wanted to see how a hairy load in my 700 would go. Their website is backup. Their web hosting dummy got careless for a few hours. Many folks have had that happen, but it is fixed. Folks please stick it out if you on the first list as you are getting a 4-500 saving. The PH bolt travels smooth in mine. And miracles of miracles, for me, a real dummie when it comes to mag work, I got it to feed my 700 from singlestack mag. I picked up another to be sent later, from another buyer, who couldn't wait. And would take another one. With Gibbs setup they feed my 585, ready to go.ED  MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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We have no choice but to stick it out, BECAUSE JEFF WILL NOT PROVIDE REFUNDS. NOR WILL HE PROVIDE A 1999 ACTION (or refund) THAT WAS ORDERED BACK IN JULY!!! If you want to buy the rights to some actions, then you are a better man than jeff. This "firing pin issue" has been going on, for what, 8 months? As already stated, the BS meter is at full tilt. I'm sure there are folks here that would pump out firing pins and accept payment when the actions are sold. But that is not the issue at all, is it? He can't even produce the guns that he claims are in production (1999's), much less a PH.  ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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Ed: I mean no disrespect to you and I am not angry with Jeff but I ordered an action from MRC almost two years ago because I thought this would be the perfect action to have around if I ever decided to build a .505 Gibbs. Two years is long enough to wait and I have now abandoned the plans for the Gibbs and moved on to other projects. I called MRC this week and spoke to Lindsay. She is a very pleasant young lady but she still couldn't give me a definitive date when my action would be shipped. It's always "a couple more months." I told her I would like to just cancel my order and get my money back. She instructed me to fax them something or send them an e-mail so I hung up the phone and sent them an e-mail with a request for a refund. We'll see how that goes. Like I said, if I can get my money back, I don't have any quarrel with MRC. It's a great project and I hope it is successful. However, if this project is to succeed, MRC needs to deliver their product in a more timely fashion. One other thought. I just sent my .416 Rigby off to American Hunting Rifles this week for a full makeover. This will be the second rifle Wayne has done for me. The first one was superb and done in exactly the time frame that Wayne promised. That's the company that I want to do business with. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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thanks - i am now full opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeff and ED Hubbel, check your PMs! Thanks! Also, if someone wants to buy out the deposit and rights to a 1999 action, PM me. ----------------------------------------------------- Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Proverbs 26-4 National Rifle Association Life Member | |||
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Will- I have to say this is starting to smell real FUNNY and in my experience things that start to smell real Funny ususally stink. Why no return calls? Look these guys now exactly who I am from previous buisness and mutual contacts and they KNOW we could and would help them out on the firing pin issue( and no I dont charge rediculous prices). Look I want them to suceed as much as anybody and this isnt a vendetta, I just want my damn action at this point and am tired of lame excuses. I have a bad feeling I just lost my money on this deal! If I'm wrong, thats great, but where is Jeff with a ship date anouncement? Its getting time to ship out or refund!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Rob: PM sent. Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I'm gonna give them a call first of the week and try to find out what is going on. I placed an order for an action several years ago back when they had a counter on their website showing how many were being ordered working up to their magical number of 400 initial orders. Mine was somewhere in the mid 40s back then and a copy of my dealers FFL was sent to them awaiting shipment and then the transfer for the "PH". This was an order for an action, not an investment in a company in hopes that they would do well. It will be two years ago this April that mine was paid for and I'm getting worried as I cannot afford this as a loss. It would have been nice when MRC sent out the letters last summer about our orders that they could have at least given us the serial number/s to the actions. Maybe they simply can't. I do hope these come through and the company does well and recovers from any negative experiences. Rodney. Proud Winchester and CZ shooter. | |||
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Guys, as I understand it from a previous thread the company that was manufacturing the firing pins for MRC filed for bankruptcy. Apparently all of the work that was completed if any is tied up. I tried to help out at my shop, but to do the job they wanted would require a swiss-type turning lathe. I don't have one. Manufacturing of a complex item as their PH Action is just a little more than chucking up some stock and turning the CNC on. I'm not trying to defend MRC, however it only takes something as simple as a failure to deliver firing pins to bring things to a grinding halt. Once you've invested in a supplier, unless your pockets are REAL DEEP, you are stuck! IN our present economy I don't know of anyone with reserves to just start over somewhere else. Just my opine! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Rusty- I'm sorry but that firing pin design could be made in any competent CNC shop like mine and you dont need a Swiss lathe to do it either. In fact some of us have exactly the right equipment to do that job! I'm not looking for work, just trying to help out! I am not buying the line about the supplier at all. I'm calling Bullshit! Any manufacturing company without enough funds to recover from such a MINOR setback is a SHAM in my book. That company knows it's taken money from lots of people and CONTINUOUSLY failed to deliver! If I conducted buisness like that I would be out of buisness in a hurry! It's time to either hear of COMFIRMED delivery dates or their plans to REFUND our money! That's how legitimate buisnesses operate. Let's not keep making up excuses for them. AT LEAST THEY SHOULD OFFER US A INFORMATION UPDATE ON A REGULAR BASIS! RETURNING PHONE CALLS IS OFTEN THOUGHT TO BE GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE TOO! Take out your nose Plugs, this project is starting to stink!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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I'm planning on getting Rub Line's Action as he has went onto other projects. And My grandson may get one off of someone also. When Jeff posted on another thread a few months ago he said he'd return anyones funds that couldn't wait. I think the firing pin guy who went belly up also affected the finishing of the other actions also. So the process takes time, like getting brass made, and dies made, and reamers made. And big bore barrels.Ed As far as making firing pins no shop close here can do it, as their equipment is too big like mine is.And then they must be heat treated.Ed MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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What was the quote: "for want of a nail..."? Be strong gentlemen, Rome wasn't built in a day. Rich | |||
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