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4-5-07 update Called Manson today Gages are done, chamber reamer is done, die reamer is 2 weeks or so out. Called Bauska today... barrel is "couple weeks" ... i've been "couple weeks" since november!!! jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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good stuff el jeffe 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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i have, in my grubby paws, a 500 AR chamber reamer 500 AR resizer reamer 500 AR go gauge 500 AR no go gauge no barrel YET dang, bauska is slow opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Good news Jeffe RNS RNS | |||
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woooo hoooo!  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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wont be long before we see the "mean little bastard" fire formed... 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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el jeffe wrote:
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el jeffe: How long of a barrel? Could you supply a single stack magazine for a '98 or a P14 (and/or will do)? This cart has my interest piqued the most of the AR line. I'm thinking 338 Lapua cases ( strength, longevity, yada yada). | |||
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Barnes: 500 Nitro Diameter] Weight] Description] S.D.] B.C.] CAT# NEW .509" ] 570 gr] TSX FB ] .314] .369] 50958 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Woodliegh: 500 Jeffery .510" No./Box ] SD BC Rec. Impact BulletLength(") Velocity(fps) 535gr RN SN 25] .294] .350] 1800-2200 1.199 535gr PP SN 25] .294] .310] 1800-2200 1.158 535gr FMJ 25] .294] .340] 1.267 600gr PP SN 25] .330] .350] 1800-2250 1.268 600gr FMJ 25] .330] .355] 1.396 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hawk Bullets: .50 cal. (.510 dia.) Round Nose 350 grains x .035 RN...........$37.50 400 grains x .035 RN...........$40.50 425 grains x .050 RN...........$53.50 c4 500 grains x .035 RN...........$43.50 500 grains x .050 RN...........$56.50 535 grains x .065 RN...........$78.00 c2 550 grains x .050 RN..........$59.50 c3 570 grains x .035 RN..........$47.50 c3 570 grains x .050 RN..........$62.50 c3 570 grains x .065 RN..........$80.00 c3 600 grains x .035 RN..........$49.50 600 grains x .055 RN..........$61.50 c2 Flat Points 350 grains x .025 FP...........$35.00 350 grains x .035 FP...........$36.50 425 grains x .025 FP..........$37.50 c4 450 grains x .025 FP...........$38.50 c4 450 grains x .035 FP...........$35.00 Hollow Points 300 grains x .025 HP...........$35.50 450 grains x .025 HP...........$38.00 c4 Spitzers 500 grains x .035 SPZ.........$59.00 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kodiak: 500 (.510) grn BC] SD] FN 450 0.165] 0.2472 | |||
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I am going to use a 23" tube. i hope it's going to work! thanks for the feedback, guys opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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You know, its a good thing I did not buy a barrel yet for what would have been my 470 AR. This would be much more interesting! Those 450gr FP Hawk grenades look pretty tempting. Jeffe, you never did mention what twist you were using. Checking the Pac Nor site they offer 9" and 14" 8 groove, and 18" and 20" 6 groove. What would you use? | |||
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thought we needed to see the line up again... i am in the opinion of a 600 grain .510 @ 2300 is ENOUGH... it is the sensable 500 jeffery imho 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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on order, 1:10 twist from Bauska..., just to "see"... as my 500 jeffe is 1:18 and my (to be) 510 wells is 1:15, i figured this would be interestined to test some of MY penetration theories (about how a bullet goes through test media) out on. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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the center is a 458 cousin of the 500 a.r.. switch barrel?  left to right 458 b.s. 2.5", 458 b.s. 2.65" (458-338 lapua. both just a neck up and trim) and 458-404 (just a neck up and trim @ 2.65", 20 thou shoulders) 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I'll contribute to the reamer fund if we stick to this(kind of like the parallel neck too). | |||
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FB, reamer is home already  jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Well, last night I made a resizing die and made some dummies. I REALLY NEED SOME JAMISON RIGBY BASIC after careful measurements for magazine, the rear is 1.09 and the shoulder is 1.07, (3 rounds, boudn together, etc)... which means you probably can not get a proper staggerfeeding on a mauser, but you can easily on an enfield. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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found four new cases, rummaging around in the shop. Check your Email hoss! Rich DRSS | |||
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Things are moving at glacieral speed here... had to second source the barrel, as bauska is taking forver... the barrel will be 24", to start. Going to put on a plain jane quarter sawn piece of cali-english resizing die is done, will need to make a seater, but the 500 Jeffe seater actually works fine for this waiting on jamison to make some rigby basic, as I have an order in for a couple hundred, waiting on the production run jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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thought this was interesting... http://www.empirerifles.com/505%20Empire.htm EMPIRE ANNOUNCES THE NEW .505 EMPIRE Empire Rifles has a well established reputation as a versatile maker with several specialties, one of which is big bore rifles. As Terry Wieland recently pointed out in RifleShooter Magazine (Nov/Dec 2006, p. 40), Empire Rifles makes a significant number of .50 caliber dangerous game rifles in .500 Jeffery. Terry alludes to a new cartridge from Empire Rifles. . . “If one were setting out today to design the perfect .500 caliber bolt action cartridge, I would vote for a scaled-up .458 Lott based on the .378 Weatherby Case. . . You want a bolt action .500 to match the power of the double-rifle .500 Nitro Express: a 570 grain bullet at 2,100 fps. If a rifle will do that, it’s a winner.†Existing .500 cartridges have a couple of drawbacks, some real, some imagined. The drawback of the .505 Gibbs is it’s sheer size, which requires an extra long 3.9†action and a fat .750 diameter bolt. Moreover, many hunters are concerned about the rebated rim on the .500 Jeffery --a concern I do not share. What began as a simple conversation about the .505 Gibbs evolved into the design of the .505 Empire, delivering .505 Gibbs velocities in a package fitting neatly into Empire’s Mauser actions. Excellent bullets are available from several makers, notably Barnes and Woodleigh. From Left: .505 Gibbs, .500 Jeffery, .505 Empire, .458 Lott. The .505 Empire launches a 600 grain bullet at 2,150 fps for a TKO of 93.06 –slightly ahead of the redoubtable .500 NE The cartridge design is simple: Weatherby magnum brass, straight taper to .505 Caliber, with a 3.6†COL. Fits in the Empire 98L and 98S actions with their 0.700 diameter bolts. Although the cartridge achieves 2,250 fps with a 600 grain bullet, we load it down to 2,150 fps, generally considered the ideal velocity for a stopping rifle, and within the recommended impact velocity for the Woodleigh bullet. This equals the velocity of the renowned 500 NE (3â€) with 30 more grains of bullet weight. While the .505 Gibbs was traditionally loaded with 525 grain bullets, the caliber comes into its own with a 600 grain bullet at moderate velocity. Like the .505 Gibbs, the .505 Empire will drive the lighter 525 grain bullets close to 2,400 fps. The 600 grain bullet at 2,150 fps yields momentum of 129 lbs/ft and a Taylor Knock Out value of 93.06 –values which are significantly higher than the excellent .458 Lott, and in the good company of the .500 Jeffery, the .505 Gibbs, and the .500 NE. I put little stock in kinetic energy, but for those who do this cartridge generates 6,158 lbs. Both hunting ammunition and low velocity (read low recoil) practice loads will be available from Superior Ammunition. I am looking forward to using the .505 Empire on Cape Buffalo next Summer! Please call George on 603.469.3152 to discuss this exciting new cartridge. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I wonder what made them go with the .505 in stead of the .510............?? Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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If you're in a real pinch for a barrel... Brux Stainless 1/10 twist Savage Varmint Contour There was some miscommunication, it got cut for a Savage Varmint contour instead of a Remington Varmint. Was going to send it back for recontouring and relapping, but if you're itching for a barrel.... | |||
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I don' get it at all. Isn't it just a .505 version of the 500 A-square??? If so, they are also selling it a bit short on velocity too. Canuck | |||
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it is shorter to fit in a mauser 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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It is NOT a .495 or .500 A2, then, is it?  opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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update - first 500 AR is barrel and chambered.. i'll either stick in a throwaway stock or start one for it tomorrow.... fire forming soon!! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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wooo hooo! el jeffe... on a ruger donor what is the cheapest 500 a.r. that can be built? in other words for on the cheap how cheap can it be done within reason? not that i will need one with my mini mbogo  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Headed to go fireform some 500 AR brass... I have a mixed bag... some jamison, some norma, some hornady 416 rigby and some 338 lapua norma... The unformed jamisons I got from Rich are my feeding testers right now... jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Excellent work! | |||
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i used 25gr of bullseye, a 12ga patch, and a spent 30/30 case (for the 416s) Results Jamison 416 Rigby - annealed very good - no case loss Norma 416 Rigby - annealed very good - no case loss Hornady 416 Rigby NOT annealed - should have good to very good - no case loss, but 3 pieces tore brass at the case mouth due to chamber. Normal 338 Lapua Just didn't work -- no case loss, but no formed cases.. waws kind of funny looking, th neck formed a CONE I am going to be trying more bullseye in the future... and lathe turn 600gr .510 bullets to have a .416 shank i might actually load and shoot some cast loads tomorrow, and will have the actual case capacity opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Thanks jeffeosso. Annealing is very important, good point. Anneal before necking up and after necking down? Are you ready to "go to bat" in case the Idaho Zephyr gets incensed by this thread? | |||
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cant wait till this one gets going. I was patiently waiting for the funds to get my own 475 then after I am ready to start spending money, you started on this! Visions of STOMPED piggies dance in my head... | |||
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130.9 to 131.7gr, norma, hornady, and jamison... we'll call it 131 gr nominal water capacity... if quickload is to even remotely be believe, from what it can do at 3.4, with a 24" barrel ql says 2280 with a 600gr woodleigh soft... bet we see 2150 NO Problem, 55,000psi says nearly 2470 with 535s, bet it hits the 2350 i want, no problem.... okay, here it is, the smallest "real" .510 !! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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rip-off, can't read either can you? Check the post where Jeffe says he got some Mast/Jamison Rigby cylindrical from me in late April. Dork! You are so envious of a country tinkerer and so ill mannered that it permeates you every post. I do have to say I am flattered that you feel so threatened in your self-appointed guru to the wildcat masses here that you need to attack me with every post. You being such a big man about town and all, I don't understand why you didn't provide Jeffe with a case or so out of your brass warehouse? Lucky, some of us do have the stuff you dream about...isn't it? Let me know if you need some more Jeffe. Rich DRSS | |||
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pics please...  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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jeffe...maybe for hunting loads you should keep the velocity down to 1600 fps  http://www.rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/ballistics/methods.html  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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 bad bad boomie  Hear and forget. See and remember. Do and understand. | |||
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OH WOW!! After they're formed and the case mouths annealed properly a hundred rounds should become heirlooms! | |||
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OKay, i've got several loaded cases, with 81 gr of h414 sitting under some 600gr cast bullets... and, fitting enough, i got the casts from Paul Rich, and JC, thanks for the cases.. you guys have really helped this little project along... I might go actualy SHOOT this thing... but my jaw is actually still hurting from surgery. .... ah. well, and the mead is coming along very well!! jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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