Jeff,
You have to quit posting this kind of stuff. I am setting here with a P-17 (by Winchester) and have been wondering what to do with it. If I get in trouble can I blame it on you?

Joe,
man, you can blaim me... and if you get in super deep trouble, just PM me for my shipping address!!!

LOL

I need to get off my duff and go pull the TRIGGER

I just "put two and two together" and got a 550 express...

"what do you mean, jeffe?"

The 550 express is essentially, and for capacity, the same case, but with a belt and to .550... and I was able to take 700gr bullets 2150 (no problem) and the 550 case is about 136...

I was able to push .550 665gr bullets to 2321, so, if I "give up" 65grs, i should be able to push the 600grainers at 2150-2200 NO PROBLEM...

i already solved this problem once or twice before!!

i am so pleased i could spit!! but i drank some glenlivit instead

pics please!

do the led sled or the tire thing if you cant do the recoil thing yet...

Boomie,
man, it's a rough WIP, just barely done enough to go bang!!... winchester enfield 1917 with british AND russian acceptance marks


i cut a dovetailed recoil lug and installed that last night...then bedded that in..

the triggerguard is a reworked parker hale 1100M casting, using a cut and stretched williams straddle floorplate (don't know if the welds will blue right) that I made the release for.. talley sling and necg front, DT trigger and cocking piece, needs a stronger spring... haven't decided on the rear sight, i have a rough lyman (which would fit perfectly in this, right?) but I am thinking about an necg adju rear. My bolthandle, very slightly upswept, limbsaver grind to fit, bauska barrel, ebony tip and cap (tip is too long), marinetex bedding, kept the enfield safety, and reworked my mauser pattern stock to take the enfield and the bottommetal, quartersawn cali english.. the blank was "Weird" in that it cuts more like plastic than wood... double crossbolts (rear one is jammed up to the mag) and wrist pin. I ground off the ears and reshaped.. Tonto is MUCH better on that part... In fact, I know at east 5 guys that are better at each piece of this work than I am...

I have alot of finishing to do!

jeffe

next...pics of fireformed cases

a beauty with the beast in her belly.

I think it looks great. Can't wait to see the finished product. I can't wait to hear about velocity data. I bet you might be surprised like you were with the AR series.

Jeffe
I like it! Id cut the barrel off a bit but then again Im not 7 foot tall! I dont think I do anything better than you can with an Enfield. Im a Hack compared to you guys. Hope to do a 416 rigby soon Got a P14 drill rifle for $40 a bit ago. already had a new set of dies.
Great looking rifle get started on that double or Ill have to beat you to it.
Dean

Dean,
I tilted the stock a bit... it's only a 25? or 24 <i FORGOT> inch tube, but the butt it tilted towards the camera, so it looks a bit shrotened in the stock and long in the barrel.. i guess.

Load dev is going to be fun, but it won't be the monster beating the 550 was.

jeffe

Hey Dirk,
thanks for saying that... it is slightly nose heavy, balances about in the front of the bottom metal rather than at the front screw... with 2 down, 1 in, it is just slightly forward....

it's a bauska barrel, cusotm ocntour, i would have thought it was too heavy, by looks, but it's not. My postal scale is broken, but I would think about 10-10.5#
jeffe

El Jeffe Oso!

Is that Southern Yellow Pine? (not the tree)

Any word from your Dutch contact in the faaaar north?

heh.. nah, it aint..

I tried like heck to get something, but the 'importing" aint gunna work, sorry

No worries Hoss! That was a pretty tall order anyway. I have a cohort here that does that for a livin' but the freight's a killer. Let you know if I get hold of any.

Jeffe
Didnt mean the gun looks like the barrel is too long. Meant for a short guy like me its too long. The stock looks great! (I like the looks of the entire rifle.) Did you turn out the stock yourself? I like the pattern. Now you must have a pattern for that stock inlet for and enfield. Hmmmm want the job turning out the stock for my Rigby when the time comes. I look forward to seeing some targets.
Dean

Dean,
yep.. my mauser pattern, but I have done 3 copies for mauser, 1903, and 1914/1917... handles recoil very well.. i have built several mausers, 1 springfield and 1 enfield on it to date... it's not a chunky as the gag, not exactly lightweight, and JUST smaller than a limbsaver grind to fit medium, so you can just grind off the groves from the LS, and look nice

Danny pedersen told me that a 510 wells was REALLY GOOD at 21", but 23" balanced very well..

I took it to the range tonight, and shot some 600gr casts over 81gr of h414... didn't chrono it, at all...
remember, i had my wisdom teeth removed recently... and my jaw hurt BEFORE i went, and the "dirt range" won't let you shoot standing, and their benches are TOO FRIGGIN LOW

boomie wanted me to measure the water of the just fired and resized..

okay, unsized, 132.4 ave, sized 131.3-5 (hornady or jamison).. so, I'll call it 131 still.

okay, i can live with this.. it is a "cute" .510" round, should be withing 2% of the 495a2, or my friend George's 505 Empire...

Its a 500 nitro in a bolt gun, and a 500 jeffe in a smaller case...

all in all, i am happy with it, and need to start worrying and sorting out load dev in a month or so, after my face heals

maybe, but an extra month ain't gonna make you any better looking!

Rich
DRSS

i think it is a great success! bravo el jeffe
600 @ 2150 is a success...and it can be done at moderate preasure
now the average blue collar knuckle dragging bubba can afford a sub 2k dragonstopper

long live the "mean little bastard!"

So then where are we supposed to be getting Rigby Basic? Somebody mentioned that Jamison had a mil contract and would not be running that stuff for a while. Where to go??

gix,
thanks for asking.. not a single case that i have been FIRING has been from basic. The basic cases I got from Idaho were used to die for my mock ups.. and they are within a thou or so of correct... and I had crimped the bullets!!

I DID NOT LIKE THE NORMA BRASS it is too thick

jamison 416 rigby brass - works great
hornady 416 rigby brass - works great
norma, fired formed fine, but is thicker than the others.

We should see a good supply of hornady 416 rigby brass now or soon, and perhaps they can be talked into a basic.

jamison, i belive, is working on a big contract, and i was told no basic until the end of sept, at the soonest, but might be as late as end of year, as that is not a "normal" product for them, and their consumer brass orders will be up front. I have 200 cases on order

jeffe

jeffeosso,
Glad you are "on the case."
I'll keep pestering them too. Kelly said they are doing some side runs, including .416 Rigby, as they continue a big military contract.
I am rooting for either a blank headstamp or one that says only "Jamison" on the straight cylindrical .416 Rigby basic, like he did for the "Mbogo 470" case.

Ron,
blank will be easier... and i can engrave them on my mill, for a nominal fee, which will cost avoid the bunter... ...

So, who wants rigby basic cases? While I have the order with jamison, if we had "enough" (unknown number) I bet I could talk Hornady into making the basic

jeffe

Jeffe, you and I had talked a while back about getting RUM basic, Horneber (SP?) and the stuff was $2 apiece. If Hornady were to do basic how much are we talkin apiece? If it was not too expensive I could be in for 50. I just need to make up my mind if I want to shoot .510 bullets in this or .500 bullets in RUM brass.

gix,
hornady 416 rigby, formed, is 1.50 per... i hope the unformed would be cheaper

416 AR, 458 AR, 470 AR, 500 AR, 550 Express

500 AR 535gr, 500 AR 570gr smurf, 500 jeffery

Dang it, Jeffe, that is the coolest wildcat I have ever seen over .458!!!

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
416 AR, 458 AR, 470 AR, 500 AR, 550 Express

el jeffe, you must be a proud "poppa"!! Fine group you have there.

oops forgot the "boom stick happy dance"!!

the 500 ar is the mae west of wildcats..full figured, sexy and blunt

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
500 AR 535gr, 500 AR 570gr smurf, 500 jeffery

I want one...would it clean up a 495 A2 chamber?

Damn, the 458AR is not even done and I'm already lusting after the 500. Jeffe what would be a good inexpensive action to begin looking for to get this project started? another ruger 7mag or do I need 375 length. I can start to keep my eyes peeled for a cheap beater to pick up at the pawn shop. Can you open the ruger bolt face enough for the 500 to fit? could you throat the chamber long and do some single feeding with pull-down .50 cal boolets?

Yellowhammer.. sorry, the 495 has a belt and is .200 longer, so it would leave a belt area without support.. but otherwise, the 500 AR is larger but has no belt...

Peyton,
this is (normal for me?) designed to fit in a standard length action, but being a rigby based round, it would be a chore to make a mauser feed. However, rugers 77mkII and enfields will work... it nearly feeds from a stock 7mag ruger, will need a new box and the rails dressed, and boltface done... i don't THINK you can get 3 down without alot of work, but one might be able to.

the throat was designed to allow for shooting milsurps, and a 700 gr, at the groove, is 4.12", so its single shot, but would be fun

jeffe

quote:

I want one...would it clean up a 495 A2 chamber?

the 495 has the belt...you would have to set the barrel back pretty far but if you did than it would since the 500 a.r. is .2" shorter but the same capacity. your action is longer so you could load the bullets out further or do my long neck version idea but you would still have to cut off enough of the barrel to get rid of the belt.

you could use the 500 ar reamers and then use a 500 neck throat reamer to .2" deeper to get my long necked version i now call the 500-416 rigby
below is a poorly photoshoped version of what it would look like. the good thing about it is it would work on a 375h+h/rum length gun and have the same-ish capacity as the 500 a2 the 500 ar is the same-ish capacity of the 495 a2
hope el jeffe dont mind me lengthening his pic

the 500 ar is designed to work on win mag length actions and rugers are wide enough to work with the least amount of smithing
so pick up a 7mag and make an elephant puncher

this is only a concept right now wip but still cool imho but el jeffe hates it for the record

ah el jeffe good morning...seems we both answered the same questions at the same time...

I hope to get my 535, 570, and 600gr bullets today, and if the weather allows, might have a chance to try!

Yellowhammer.. sorry, the 495 has a belt and is .200 longer, so it would leave a belt area without support.. but otherwise, the 500 AR is larger but has no belt...

quote:

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
[QUOTE]I want one...would it clean up a 495 A2 chamber?

the 495 has the belt...you would have to set
the barrel back pretty far but if you did than it would since the 500 a.r. is .2" shorter but
the same capacity. your action is longer so you could load the bullets out further or do my long neck version idea but you would still have to cut off enough of the barrel to get rid of the belt.

you could use the 500 ar reamers and then use a 500 neck throat reamer to .2" deeper to get my long necked version i now call the 500-416 rigby
below is a poorly photoshoped version of what it would look like. the good thing about it is it would work on a 375h+h/rum length gun and have the same-ish capacity as the 500 a2 the 500 ar is the same-ish capacity of the 495 a2
hope el jeffe dont mind me lengthening his pic

the 500 ar is designed to work on win mag length actions and rugers are wide enough to work with the least amount of smithing
so pick up a 7mag and make an elephant puncher

this is only a concept right now wip but still cool imho but el jeffe hates it for the record

yellowhammer...are you saying you want a long neck

it can be built...

the belt will still be the issue

yellowhammer...sell the barrel and get a virgin one