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(george, please don't shoot me at the end of the month) It's been done before... Maybe, but it's cheap. What is it? Nothing but a long throated 45/70, 3.162 OAL WHY? jeffe, WHY? To shoot barnes 450gr TSX bullets in high proof 45/70s Okay, i'll ask again, WHY? Because I am CHEAP Here's the deal, If you take a 45/70 and load it to 2.55 with this bullet, you have 35gr of usable case left. At 3.162, that leave .458 in the case, and 60gr of useful capacity. (the winmag has about 66gr at nominal length) Using 45/70 dies and brass.. and if you have a handful of PMC ammo, it goes band. No 3" or 45 RCBS dies and brass.. it's "JUST" a 45/70. What's the difference in performance? at an estimated 47500psi, the 450 TSX goes 2000fps in the 45/70 Nitro In the 45/70 "govt" same bullet, abotu 1640. Yeah, I am planning this for the spartan, but my handirifle will be a decent test bed  opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | ||
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Paul, just waiting for the spartans!! jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeffe, I think I'm going to load up some 'special' .470 Capstick rounds for you to shoot at the end of the month.  George  | |||
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jeff, Just got back from Alaska and while there we stopped by a gunshop...seen one of those Spartans......YIKES  . They look to be thrown together. | |||
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Might be interesting to try in say a 458 Lott on a Ruger #1. | |||
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A sighting!!!! They do exist!!!!!!! Well glory be!  | |||
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I'll feed mine a steady diet of Remmy 405s. @ 2.82" OAL, 2000 - 2100fps. PIGS ARE GOING TO DIE HARD.  Now what of 450gr NF CP, and big black bovines Hog Killer IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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OK el jeffe! Could you do the same only with a 348 winnie aka 450 Alaskan? | |||
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That would depend on what action type it was built on. The 45-70 Nitro is intended for the Spartan SxS, not a lever gun. Hog Killer IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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I didn't need to do anything. I bought a bolt action Lee-Enfield #4 converted by Gibbs (others Gibbs did were only #1 mark III) to 45/70 with a 22" heavy "Navy Arms" barrel. It would take a 500gr JRN bullet loaded to a 2.93 OAL or a 550 gr very flat nose bullet loaded to 2.82. I never pushed the 500's beyond 1,750 fsp, however. | |||
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Hog Killer, that would be the rifle in question. Sorry I didn't clarify at first. I gave pause to realize just how many different configurations there are to launch a 45/70. | |||
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You think? Hog Killer IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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So? Why not rechamber to 45-90? | |||
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As mentioned before, el jeffe is cheap (& so am I) and 45/70 brass is dirt cheap! | |||
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You messed up and said Handi-Rifle. Excuse my ignorance(my Wife certainly does!)I have a BC. What is the preferred method to lengthen the throat to accmodate that nifty looking Barnes bullet? This sounds like a perfectly logical waste of money and time to kill popcans. Count me in! Let us know how it works out.  ZM | |||
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Zeke, I'm gonna do all of my .45-70 Handis and BC, they all have super short throats, cost is about $30 after all shipping is paid to rent a .458" throater. I've rented a .358" throater from 4D before to do my .35 Remington Handi, it takes about a minute or less to do it by hand, depending on how deep want to go. Tim http://www.4-dproducts.com/display.php?group=Throaters | |||
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Just an observation here. Your cases look buckled at the base of the bullet. I've found this problem is solved by belling the case enough that the bullet seats in the neck without any "jiggling" of the press to seat into the brass. Also, if you're going to "ream" a 45/70 Govt. why not just ream it out to 460 Weatherby? | |||
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Why not spend the money on hunting instead of on this?  | |||
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Why not a 450 alaskan? BC I am CHEAP!!! yes, you can get more out of that case.. but you can't use 45/70 brass and dies.. and would have to buy a $$$ reamer. The cases where just made up from junk laying on the bench. Dan $120 MAX for the conversion reamer (and I already have a 45 throater).. so, in my case, I can prove concept for 15 mins of time, zero dollars...  but I do find that comment kinda funny, considering your normal tastes in guns. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I might be interested in trying this in my Ruger #1. The only problem is that recoil is pretty brutal with max loads. It would be even worse with this modification! Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Dan, for this kind of money, that would be squrrel, rabbit, or hogs. Spartan rifle, reamer work, and some ammo, will be LESS than the tip most folks give their PH on a DG hunt. Besides, were else can you come up with a true SxS truck gun. Jackrabbits, boar hogs, and black bears would all be a FUN hunt with this set up. Hog Killer IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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Peter, have you changed the recoil pad out on your #1? Hog Killer IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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Hey, for $120 I could shoot 10 pheasants! Just offering possibilities... | |||
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Hogkiller, no I haven't. Any suggestions? I don't think it is just the recoil pad. I think the stock configuration may be at fault, but having said that I am open to trying a different recoil pad. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Dan, you must be a better shot than me?!?! I can't hit pheasants with an iron sighted big bore rifle! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I keep eyeing the 12 ga coach guns, well actually the slightly longer ones with the screw in chokes. With rifled chokes they are a po-mans paradox, and there's always 00 if the regulation sucks. I just can't get too excited about the 45-70 double. To me a 12 bore would be much more impressive. Hmm, gotta remember to pick one up  __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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What shop? I Live in Alaksa and would love to see it. 45-70? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Espessialy with Dixe Hard cast slugs or Tri-Bucksot loads: http://www.dixieslugs.com/index.html _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Dan, 120 bucks won't buy the gas to make to PHeasant country from where Jeffe is. Rules me out to, I don't have a Pheasant rifle  Been thinking about a pheasant hunt in the Texas panhandle, sounds like fun. Billy, High in the shoulder (we band of bubbas) | |||
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Hey Jeffe, Could you really justify burning a Barnes bullet in a 45/70 You are cheap by the way. Billy, High in the shoulder (we band of bubbas) | |||
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Yeah, but if he does the "Got Milk?" commercial. He'll afford a few more bullets! | |||
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i wanna be the first on my block to ream the 45-70 spartan.....so count me in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go big or go home ........ DSC-- Life Member NRA--Life member DRSS--9.3x74 r Chapuis | |||
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 why me?  Billy, like i would know phesant from squab! they both tastes like chicken opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I don't have a Pheasant rifle either, Sold the #1 in 458 Lott so I'm stuck as well.I might be able to tell a pheasant from a bloody Roadrunner. but ain' sure. But spending $120to do someting weird seems to appeal to everyone in this bunch. Me included. Semper Fi WE BAND OF BUBBAS STC Hunting Club | |||
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Invader66, I resemble that remark! Sounds like one of my schemes as well. Go Jeffe. Packy | |||
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Oh, perhaps we haven't properly amortorized the conversion reamer to 45/70 Nitro It will probably cut 30 chamber throats, before requiring a resharpening... at $4 bucks a barrel ($8 bucks a spartan), well, lads, that's going to be the CHEAPEST 200fps you can ever buy!! yes, i'll be glad to loan it out, once the Texans and Bubbas have dulled it to the first resharpening jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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