introducing the 45/70 NITRO

05 October 2006, 05:41

(george, please don't shoot me at the end of the month)

It's been done before... Maybe, but it's cheap.

What is it?
Nothing but a long throated 45/70, 3.162 OAL

WHY? jeffe, WHY?
To shoot barnes 450gr TSX bullets in high proof 45/70s

Okay, i'll ask again, WHY?

Because I am CHEAP

Here's the deal,
If you take a 45/70 and load it to 2.55 with this bullet, you have 35gr of usable case left.
At 3.162, that leave .458 in the case, and 60gr of useful capacity. (the winmag has about 66gr at nominal length) Using 45/70 dies and brass.. and if you have a handful of PMC ammo, it goes band. No 3" or 45 RCBS dies and brass.. it's "JUST" a 45/70.

What's the difference in performance?
at an estimated 47500psi, the 450 TSX goes 2000fps in the 45/70 Nitro

In the 45/70 "govt" same bullet, abotu 1640.

Yeah, I am planning this for the spartan, but my handirifle will be a decent test bed

05 October 2006, 05:49

Paul H

Too slow around here for you huh?

05 October 2006, 05:58

jeffeosso

Paul,
just waiting for the spartans!!

jeffe

05 October 2006, 05:58

vapodog

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
(george, please don't shoot me at the end of the month)

Would sometime this weekend be OK with you?

05 October 2006, 06:00

GeorgeS

Jeffe,

I think I'm going to load up some 'special' .470 Capstick rounds for you to shoot at the end of the month.

George

05 October 2006, 06:10

AFreeman

jeff,
Just got back from Alaska and while there we stopped by a gunshop...seen one of those Spartans......YIKES

. They look to be thrown together.

05 October 2006, 06:24

JMJ888

quote:
What is it?
Nothing but a long throated 45/70, 3.162 OAL

Might be interesting to try in say a 458 Lott on a Ruger #1.

05 October 2006, 08:00

.366torque

quote:
Originally posted by AFreeman:
jeff,
Just got back from Alaska and while there we stopped by a gunshop...seen one of those Spartans......YIKES . They look to be thrown together.

A sighting!!!! They do exist!!!!!!! Well glory be!

05 October 2006, 08:14

Hog Killer

I'll feed mine a steady diet of Remmy 405s. @ 2.82" OAL, 2000 - 2100fps. PIGS ARE GOING TO DIE HARD.

Now what of 450gr NF CP, and big black bovines

Hog Killer

05 October 2006, 08:15

.366torque

OK el jeffe! Could you do the same only with a 348 winnie aka 450 Alaskan?

05 October 2006, 08:16

.366torque

quote:
Originally posted by Hog Killer:
Now what of 450gr NF CP, and big black bovines

Hog Killer

"The weather calls for a brief SHIT STORM"!

05 October 2006, 08:18

Hog Killer

quote:
Originally posted by .366torque:
OK el jeffe! Could you do the same only with a 348 winnie aka 450 Alaskan?

That would depend on what action type it was built on. The 45-70 Nitro is intended for the Spartan SxS, not a lever gun.

Hog Killer

05 October 2006, 08:22

WJM

I didn't need to do anything. I bought a bolt action Lee-Enfield #4 converted by Gibbs (others Gibbs did were only #1 mark III) to 45/70 with a 22" heavy "Navy Arms" barrel. It would take a 500gr JRN bullet loaded to a 2.93 OAL or a 550 gr very flat nose bullet loaded to 2.82. I never pushed the 500's beyond 1,750 fsp, however.

05 October 2006, 08:24

.366torque

Hog Killer, that would be the rifle in question. Sorry I didn't clarify at first. I gave pause to realize just how many different configurations there are to launch a 45/70.

05 October 2006, 08:31

Hog Killer

quote:
Originally posted by .366torque:
quote:
Originally posted by Hog Killer:
Now what of 450gr NF CP, and big black bovines

Hog Killer

"The weather calls for a brief SHIT STORM"!

You think?

Hog Killer

05 October 2006, 09:00

ScottS

So? Why not rechamber to 45-90?

05 October 2006, 09:03

.366torque

As mentioned before, el jeffe is cheap (& so am I) and 45/70 brass is dirt cheap!

05 October 2006, 10:29

Zeke

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
(george, please don't shoot me at the end of the month)

It's been done before... Maybe, but it's cheap.

What is it?
Nothing but a long throated 45/70, 3.162 OAL

WHY? jeffe, WHY?
To shoot barnes 450gr TSX bullets in high proof 45/70s

Okay, i'll ask again, WHY?

Because I am CHEAP

Here's the deal,
If you take a 45/70 and load it to 2.55 with this bullet, you have 35gr of usable case left.
At 3.162, that leave .458 in the case, and 60gr of useful capacity. (the winmag has about 66gr at nominal length) Using 45/70 dies and brass.. and if you have a handful of PMC ammo, it goes band. No 3" or 45 RCBS dies and brass.. it's "JUST" a 45/70.

What's the difference in performance?
at an estimated 47500psi, the 450 TSX goes 2000fps in the 45/70 Nitro

In the 45/70 "govt" same bullet, abotu 1640.

Yeah, I am planning this for the spartan, but my handirifle will be a decent test bed

You messed up and said Handi-Rifle.

Excuse my ignorance(my Wife certainly does!)I have a BC. What is the preferred method to lengthen the throat to accmodate that nifty looking Barnes bullet?
This sounds like a perfectly logical waste of money and time to kill popcans. Count me in!

Let us know how it works out.

05 October 2006, 11:20

wrongtarget

Zeke, I'm gonna do all of my .45-70 Handis and BC, they all have super short throats, cost is about $30 after all shipping is paid to rent a .458" throater. I've rented a .358" throater from 4D before to do my .35 Remington Handi, it takes about a minute or less to do it by hand, depending on how deep want to go.

Tim

http://www.4-dproducts.com/display.php?group=Throaters

05 October 2006, 12:14

45/70 Govt.

Just an observation here. Your cases look buckled at the base of the bullet. I've found this problem is solved by belling the case enough that the bullet seats in the neck without any "jiggling" of the press to seat into the brass.

Also, if you're going to "ream" a 45/70 Govt. why not just ream it out to 460 Weatherby?

05 October 2006, 12:17

500grains

Why not spend the money on hunting instead of on this?

05 October 2006, 16:29

jeffeosso

Why not a 450 alaskan? BC I am CHEAP!!! yes, you can get more out of that case.. but you can't use 45/70 brass and dies.. and would have to buy a $$$ reamer.

The cases where just made up from junk laying on the bench.

Dan
$120 MAX for the conversion reamer (and I already have a 45 throater).. so, in my case, I can prove concept for 15 mins of time, zero dollars...

but I do find that comment kinda funny, considering your normal tastes in guns.

jeffe

05 October 2006, 19:01

Peter

I might be interested in trying this in my Ruger #1. The only problem is that recoil is pretty brutal with max loads. It would be even worse with this modification!
Peter.

05 October 2006, 19:03

Hog Killer

quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
Why not spend the money on hunting instead of on this?

Dan, for this kind of money, that would be squrrel, rabbit, or hogs. Spartan rifle, reamer work, and some ammo, will be LESS than the tip most folks give their PH on a DG hunt.

Besides, were else can you come up with a true SxS truck gun. Jackrabbits, boar hogs, and black bears would all be a FUN hunt with this set up.

Hog Killer

05 October 2006, 19:07

Hog Killer

quote:
Originally posted by Peter:
I might be interested in trying this in my Ruger #1. The only problem is that recoil is pretty brutal with max loads. It would be even worse with this modification!
Peter.

Peter, have you changed the recoil pad out on your #1?

Hog Killer

05 October 2006, 21:14

500grains

Hey, for $120 I could shoot 10 pheasants! Just offering possibilities...

05 October 2006, 21:50

Peter

Hogkiller, no I haven't. Any suggestions? I don't think it is just the recoil pad. I think the stock configuration may be at fault, but having said that I am open to trying a different recoil pad.
Peter.

05 October 2006, 22:34

jeffeosso

Dan,
you must be a better shot than me?!?! I can't hit pheasants with an iron sighted big bore rifle!

05 October 2006, 23:16

Paul H

I keep eyeing the 12 ga coach guns, well actually the slightly longer ones with the screw in chokes. With rifled chokes they are a po-mans paradox, and there's always 00 if the regulation sucks.

I just can't get too excited about the 45-70 double. To me a 12 bore would be much more impressive. Hmm, gotta remember to pick one up

05 October 2006, 23:28

Snowwolfe

quote:
Originally posted by AFreeman:
jeff,
Just got back from Alaska and while there we stopped by a gunshop...seen one of those Spartans......YIKES . They look to be thrown together.

What shop? I Live in Alaksa and would love to see it. 45-70?

05 October 2006, 23:32

jwp475

quote:
Originally posted by Paul H:
I keep eyeing the 12 ga coach guns, well actually the slightly longer ones with the screw in chokes. With rifled chokes they are a po-mans paradox, and there's always 00 if the regulation sucks.

I just can't get too excited about the 45-70 double. To me a 12 bore would be much more impressive. Hmm, gotta remember to pick one up

Espessialy with Dixe Hard cast slugs or Tri-Bucksot loads:

http://www.dixieslugs.com/index.html

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05 October 2006, 23:37

Gringo Cazador

quote:
Hey, for $120 I could shoot 10 pheasants! Just offering possibilities

Dan, 120 bucks won't buy the gas to make to PHeasant country from where Jeffe is.

Rules me out to, I don't have a Pheasant rifle

Been thinking about a pheasant hunt in the Texas panhandle, sounds like fun.

05 October 2006, 23:45

Gringo Cazador

Hey Jeffe,

Could you really justify burning a Barnes bullet in a 45/70

You are cheap by the way.

05 October 2006, 23:48

.366torque

Yeah, but if he does the "Got Milk?" commercial. He'll afford a few more bullets!

06 October 2006, 00:16

jimatcat

i wanna be the first on my block to ream the 45-70 spartan.....so count me in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

06 October 2006, 02:04

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by .366torque:
if he does the "Got Milk?" commercial.

why me?

Billy,
like i would know phesant from squab! they both tastes like chicken

06 October 2006, 03:06

yellowhammer

I like it

06 October 2006, 03:27

invader66

I don't have a Pheasant rifle either, Sold the #1 in 458 Lott so I'm stuck as well.I might be able to tell a pheasant from a bloody Roadrunner.

but ain' sure. But spending $120
to do someting weird seems to appeal to everyone in this bunch.

Me included.

06 October 2006, 05:31

packrattusnongratus

Invader66, I resemble that remark! Sounds like one of my schemes as well. Go Jeffe. Packy

06 October 2006, 05:38

jeffeosso

Oh,
perhaps we haven't properly amortorized the conversion reamer to 45/70 Nitro

It will probably cut 30 chamber throats, before requiring a resharpening...

at $4 bucks a barrel ($8 bucks a spartan), well, lads, that's going to be the CHEAPEST 200fps you can ever buy!!

yes, i'll be glad to loan it out, once the Texans and Bubbas have dulled it to the first resharpening

jeffe