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George: I rather figured that was what the 55 referred to but YOU don't have the appellation in reference to YOUR name.Why not incidentally? There are some things I don't 'lighten up' on and this is one of them. SCI Life Member NRA Patron Life Member DRSS | |||
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zim, That's one of the perks of being a Moderator (and being in on the joke from the start). If this truly offends you, stay off the site until we resume our 'straight format'. George  | |||
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What I want in spite of its being April first is a Spartan double in 45-70. Jeffe- I've been watching this off and on. I'm in. Packrattusnongratus | |||
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Holy Cow, remington hasn't moved the date.. Just got off the phone with them, and they are still looking at september!!
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Just had this reply from Remmington via their website query. "Based on current production schedules, which are subject to change without notice, we show availabilty late 3rd quarter of 2006." | |||
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sooooo who is gunna rechamber to something larger???? say 450 alaskan, 458/50-110, 45-90, 45-100, 45-120 ect... 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Why -- just shoot it like it is if it ever shows up. Have you not read all the prior discussions about this? ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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i would keep it as is but i know some would like to do more 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Sorry -- my response came off more abrasive than I intended. I just think we should be happy if these show up and do a good job for what they are. Pushing them to be something else could be problematic. Of course, I haven't examined one so I could be full of it as usual.  ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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I'd be reluctant to buy until I fondeled one.....I picked up and fondeled a combo gun with the Spartan label the other day and was dearly and sorely disappointed.......that was a very poor excuse for a firearm. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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If a .45/70 is such a great cartridge is there a need?  | |||
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This is something I've brought up a few times. The Bakail I've played with was the biggest piece of crap I've ever seen. Makes a SKS feel like a finely crafted firearm. There was an honest 1/2" of creep in the rear trigger! Of course for somebody just wanting a cheap gun to knock holes in paint cans I guess you really won't care. Terry -------------------------------------------- Well, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? | |||
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i like a hotloaded 45-70...with this gun being limited to 28,000 in preasure the only way to make a silk purse out of this sow's ear is to get more case room. but i am sure you just wanted to razz me   577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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jeffe Put me down for one, in 45/70 of course. Standard factory [or equivelent reloads] with 300 grain bullets will be great for deer and pigs. If BIG pigs are around just use Winchester's 300gr Nosler Partition. Or load a Speer 400 grain bullet to around 1800 fps for elk moose etc. This velocity is only slightly out of Trapdoor pressures with the right powder. As to souping up the Reminmgton Spartan, well we will have to wait and see. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I've seen the Spartan double shotguns and, yeah, they weren't in the $2,000 class. However, they did seem strongly built and worth every penny they did cost. I want one in .45-70 and HOPE that I would be able to ream it out to one of the longer cases, be it -90, -100, -110. or -120. If I can't, so be it. I'll just enjoy it as is. .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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When I get one if ever I am going to shoot 400gr hard cast in it at what ever resonalbe vel to get it fairly regulated and use it as a bear gun behind the hounds. | |||
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Or you could just buy a decent 45-70, load it up hot, shoot the damn sow, bury her damn ears somewhere, and be done with it..... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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As I said before, there is a 45-120 reamer setting in a drawer at my gunsmiths shop, just waiting for those two Spartans to arrive and be testfired. The 45-120 Ruger #2 I have turns 2000fps with a 500gr cast bullet with very little fanfare or pressure. Regulating them may be a bit of a pain, but that is part of the fun. Rich | |||
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To the fellows that have handled Spartan doubles and felt they were pieces of crap, I can only say I am very pleased with my Spartan/Baikal 12 gauge side by side. It is pretty trim for a 12, and I had a ball hunting pheasants, sharptails and ducks with it in Nebraska last fall over a lot of miles in the Sandhills. Of course it not a Parker or even a Browning BSS, but those two business models are not currently viable, and I would a whole lot rather shoot the Baikal than some old clunky Stevens. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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Hello, Some in Canada have reported on the rifle and was not good reports. Remington has serious problems with the firearm and struggling as we speak to maintain solvency and you can bet their lawyers are not eager to engage in a firearm that poses serious law suit issues. Reports were stating that when fired, action would open to a degree!! Spoke with factory some months ago and those that have been sold in North America were not from Remington but rather from EAA's supplier and very serious problems as mentioned. In fact there was a recall on them and as normal, some refused to return or ignored the offer and you will find a few in use. Believe most went to Canada???? You have to ask yourself is it feasible to produce, mfg., market, support, etc. a double rifle of utilility quality, appealing, safe and yet be at a price level that most everyone can afford?? As Remington people's statement to me was that they are well aware of the demand for such a sporting firearm, but it must be absolutely flawless in performance and of course safety or No Go. So far the firearm in question has not met that requirement. Time will tell. | |||
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I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but to my knowledge this gun has never been sold in North America. It may have been shown at a trade show, but it hasn't made it to the market place, so how could people who own them have a problem if they aren't available to the public? Were you speaking of the over/under guns? _____________________ Reducing the world's lead supply.....one cat at a time. | |||
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No, there was some small amount produced and eventually delivered to Cananda and elsewhere before Remington inked the deal. Very few and it was that production run that Remington tested and found problems with. Correcting those problems has been a major part of the delay in bringing them back here under the Remington name. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Ah, thanks for the clarification. I thought the whole thing was complete vaporware. _____________________ Reducing the world's lead supply.....one cat at a time. | |||
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Hello Lfaler, Some couple months ago, two people were reporting on how their double rifles in 30-06 were performing and disclosed they were ones imported to Canada by EAA, not Remington, but upon firing w/ factory loads the action would pop open a bit and some other "minor" problems. As I mentioned, Remington told me that none, zero, etc. of the Baikal produced double rifles (side by sides) under the Remington banner had ever been brought into N.America, and those here were from another source. Furthermore, was told that stories about certain delivery dates such as late summer, early fall, next month, etc. was only BS and there was no definite time known when the problems would be solved and permit importation. Now, if you go to the web site of Remington, you will see the various models under the Remington name and as mentioned some couple months ago, that was not on their web site????? Hell, they may show up tonight and everyone can write a check and have a genuine Remington Double Rifle which may or may not work. Heck of a deal. | |||
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I don't know who you talked to at Remington, but the "BS delivery dates" have been emailed to me several times by Remington's customer service department. | |||
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Hello Art S. (Can't tell you who it was or I would have to kill you, it is a big secret!!) Several e mails regarding delivery dates pretty much equates to BS, wouldn't you agree?? Have you seen or heard of any actual double rifles being shipped or delivered?? Lot of reports on delivery dates going back some year or more, but "proof is in the pudding...." but unless they have greatly improved on the ones which were sold in Canada, not sure I would be interested in one at any price. I must admit that I will very much want to hear about a field test of one when they get here, but just don't want to be the one doing the testing. If they are a good rifle, there will be enough to go around for all of us in due time. | |||
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