Seems that most of the emails and phone calls I have been getting concerning this project have been coming primarily from this forum, so I thought I would post a link to the build documentation on my website. This will give anyone who is interested a quick reference that they can check up on the build as it progresses and also a place to ask me questions. I'll try to remember to post in this thread when I update the build with new progress and I will try to check this thread every day and answer any questions I can.

2 Bore Jones Underlever Project

Thanks

Colin

What is the price range of such a project?
Goodonya for such a cool project!
Will you be making scaled down versions of 4 and 8 bore?

Right at the minute the price is $8500.00 and up for the complete rifle, but I am trying to work it out with a few members here to get the price per action/monblock and barrels down to something more affordable. A few members have contacted me wanting to know what just the action would cost, and a few have contacted me asking about a barreled action, and then a few have been interested in a whole rifle, so I am trying to work it out to were I could spread the cost out far enough to do an oversized action in aluminum, and then send it to a friend of mine who casts for me and go that route, saving a whole lot of machine time and dropping the overall cost. Right at the minute I am just building these one at a time on manual machines, so they are a pretty expensive proposition.

This same size action would actually work with a 4 bore as well, you would just need to run a faster taper on the barrel to lighten it up, not that leaving it a heavy contour in a 4 bore is a bad idea. The extra weight certainly couldn't hurt anything.

Colin

Keep me/us posted Colin as I am still interested!...any chance for a 1 Bore?!

Why stop at a one bore? There are so many calibers above that one:
E Bore - 1.750"
D Bore - 1.830"
C Bore - 1.875"
B Bore - 1.938"
A Bore - 2.000"



Colin

Wow,learn something new everyday! Naaaa,I think I will have to stick with the "Lil Deuce"

Kid,

I think you have finally met your match...

Sic 'em Colin!!

The deuce will cover my needs as well, thank you.

Rich

This is the Big Bore forum

A BORE!!!!

Although the one bore spouting out 1lb balls of lead is pretty cool...

What is the largest you can do on that action?

Ok, I'll go in the opposite direction and lobby for an 8 bore......action scaled accordingly of course.

Oh, and Colin you are THE MAN for undertaking such a project. I've been hoping someone would start making the big underlever singles and I predict you will have a heck of a time trying to keep up with orders.

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Originally posted by degoins:
Ok, I'll go in the opposite direction and lobby for an 8 bore......action scaled accordingly of course.

That would be the bees knees...
Double as a shotgun

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What is the largest you can do on that action?

2 Bore is as big as I can go without changing the design. To go larger I would to step the action down behind the main body before the trigger in order to keep the wrist small enough to still get your hands around it. The problem isn't just how tall these things are from top to bottom it's also the width that becomes an issue.

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Ok, I'll go in the opposite direction and lobby for an 8 bore......action scaled accordingly of course.

I actually have a half finished 8 Bore sitting in my shop right now, it's nearly an exact copy of the one I am scaling this 2 Bore off of(the first picture in my build), I started it about 2 years ago as a personal project. Much like the mechanics car, I rarely get much spare time to work on my own projects, so who knows when I will get around to finishing it.

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Oh, and Colin you are THE MAN for undertaking such a project. I've been hoping someone would start making the big underlever singles and I predict you will have a heck of a time trying to keep up with orders.

I've always loved the underlevers, the first double rifle I ever built, I made myself a sxs .22lr in an underlever. I could always use the jobs security, and I really wouldn't mind seeing a resurrection of the Underlever rifles in any caliber.

Colin

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Originally posted by CowboyCS:

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What is the largest you can do on that action?

2 Bore is as big as I can go without changing the design. To go larger I would to step the action down behind the main body before the trigger in order to keep the wrist small enough to still get your hands around it. The problem isn't just how tall these things are from top to bottom it's also the width that becomes an issue.

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Ok, I'll go in the opposite direction and lobby for an 8 bore......action scaled accordingly of course.

I actually have a half finished 8 Bore sitting in my shop right now, it's nearly an exact copy of the one I am scaling this 2 Bore off of(the first picture in my build), I started it about 2 years ago as a personal project. Much like the mechanics car, I rarely get much spare time to work on my own projects, so who knows when I will get around to finishing it.

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Oh, and Colin you are THE MAN for undertaking such a project. I've been hoping someone would start making the big underlever singles and I predict you will have a heck of a time trying to keep up with orders.

I've always loved the underlevers, the first double rifle I ever built, I made myself a sxs .22lr in an underlever. I could always use the jobs security, and I really wouldn't mind seeing a resurrection of the Underlever rifles in any caliber.

Colin

Me too, I always wanted a 600 in a jones underlever-- maybe even a 577

Kind of like this ol holland at lewis drakes--

http://www.sitemason.com/page/c7eZ9u

Ed

Here is my double with jones underlever:



An 8 or 10 bore is really more than enough for most applications here on earth. A 2bore should be a cannon fitted for spaceprograms .

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Originally posted by jens poulsen:
An 8 or 10 bore is really more than enough for most applications here on earth. A 2bore should be a cannon fitted for spaceprograms .

Well I always believed in Earth First..... I'll hunt the other planets later.

BTW, that is a real beauty you've got there.

Colin

Book me a flight to Mars with a 2 bore Laser!

Jens,

since you have no use for that rifle, I am willing to pay you two-hundred dollars, cash money; and fly over to pick it up.

Rich

Okay...I feel its my duty to warn all green men in the galaxy. American spacecowboys, armed with .600Nitro SAAs and 2bore saddlering carbines are now in "takeof". There will be an inter.galaxy-App on a person specifically carrying $200 going northeast. He are to be intercepted and blocked at once

Is that a "yes, done deal"?

Rich

Jens has waaaay too many nicer firearms and should relieve himself of a few ...

Jens,I luv your bore double!Tell us more,weight,barrels,maker and year made?...Oh,and how many buff or similar has it put to sleep!

Another Jones Underlever I had by JW Tolley in 8 Bore,made in 1887 if I remember right? Wish I still had it

Are you kicking yourself thoroughly for letting that gem go, if not you should be.

Colin

Yes,but I replaced it with a WW Greener 7 Bore Hammerless Topbreak made with Fluid Steel(Smokeless) and Killer wood..Gone too!

The next step in the machining process is finished and I updated the build with new pictures and the description.

2 Bore Underlever Project

Enjoy

Colin

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
Jens,I luv your bore double!Tell us more,weight,barrels,maker and year made?...Oh,and how many buff or similar has it put to sleep!

its a nice Manton in 10bore...really 9bore
( .795cal) with 3.25" chambers.
I found the rife at Champlins,and swapped with some winchesters. Cases are from RMC...great stuff. I haven`t yet( bound to soon) fired the brasscases in the gun,but primarly relied on remington 10g hulls. Full charge of 10drams of swiss+ a 900 bullet does 1745Ft/sec...almost a small .600nitro. Actually a few loads did reach 1800Ft/sec. This gun says regulated for 8-10drams black powder beneath the steelbarrels.
The rifling is 1:51. All in all, this gun here is in a fantstic condition with rebounding hammers. I have just got another mold doing 960grain from NEI, A real nice flatpoint. The plan is africa.
Hey kid. There is a Tolley 8bore on Gunsinternational.com. Snap it!!.

Colin, looks like a great project! Thanks for letting us tag along via your posts.

You guys are killing me with these beautiful rifles.......but keep em coming.

Colin, how bout somes pics of your 8.

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Originally posted by degoins:
You guys are killing me with these beautiful rifles.......but keep em coming.

Colin, how bout somes pics of your 8.

My 8 Bore Underlever is only part way finished, it's really not a whole lot farther along than the 2 Bore. The action is mostly shaped on the 8 bore, and the barrel and monoblock are put together, but I haven't had the time to smoke the fit, so it won't even close right at the minute. Not really much to look at, but if you go to my website and click on the link in the left column of the "Finished 8 Bore", there are some nice pictures and a detailed build of the 8 Bore Boxlock I built last year for a customer.

Colin

This mornings file work has been added to the Build documentation.

2 Bore Underlever Project

Colin

Colin,

You are brilliant!!! It is amazing how you can make these magnificent rifles from scratch!

If you start making double rifles, you'll be another "M.K. Owen"

Can't wait to see this 2 bore underlever!!!

Kevin

hopefully the pictures you see will be me, shooting mine.

Rich

This is the kind of fun you will be having...
MORE DRAMS!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXoa5zNn0TU

Ahhh Boomstick,That thing recoils like a "girley gun"

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
Ahhh Boomstick,That thing recoils like a "girley gun"

Not everyone's lappin' up a galllon of Hurricanes at Pat's before the shoot Tom ... besides you need more recoil just add a couple hundred more grains of FFG ...

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
Ahhh Boomstick,That thing recoils like a "girley gun"

Like I said... MORE DRAMS!!!! needs more drams of black powder and not those powder fuff loads.

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Originally posted by SAFARIKID:
Ahhh Boomstick,That thing recoils like a "girley gun"

That's probably because it isn't a 2 bore by the American definition(1.325"), it's a 4 Bore(1.052") that shoots 3500 grain bullets(British definition of bore by weight of projectile to the pound). It was made by Giles Whittome for the royal armories. The loads they were shooting weren't even a close to what that rifles is capable of. Giles says it can be loaded to 24 drams with the 3500gr slug. That would probably look a little different than 16 drams with a 2500grain slug like in the video.

Colin

Thanks Colin for clarifying that ...I was Not impressed and the hole looked to small! IF I am going to shoot a 2 bore,dammit,thats what I want! As far as 24 Drams with 3500 grains of Lead?! Ouch!

We need a pic of what 24 drams of powder and a 3500 grain projectile looks like say next to a 308

From Macifec's website
3,500 grain lead ball and Macifej solid



600, 700 NE and 2 bore

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Originally posted by boom stick:
We need a pic of what 24 drams of powder and a 3500 grain projectile looks like say next to a 308

I don't have a picture handy, but 24 drams is approx 656 grains or 1.5 ounces by dry volume, so if you sneak into the kitchen when the wife isn't looking and take a 1/4 cup measuring cup. Then fill it 3/4 of the way full with black powder, that's approximately 24 drams.

But hey if you are going to go to 656, you might as well make it easy and go to 700gr, that way you get a nice even 10 shots to the pound.

Colin