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Originally posted by makeminestainless:
Easy marketing. I would say a large minority if not the majority of gun owners (not people on this forum by and large) use too much pride and not enough physics when thinking about their own guns. Not that there is anything wrong with the calibers, but the 270, 7mm RM, 30-06 and 45-70 rifles and 45 ACP and 44 mag pistols make me cringe when they show up at a range or hunting camp. They are very often attached to a big a$$hole who tells (loudly) how much better they are than any other choice and everyone who doesn't own one is a fool. The 45 acp can kill someone by hitting them in the foot or hand and saved the Marines in the Philippines (the 38 specials the Pentagon issued them wouldn't kill the natives high on LSD or angle dust and just bounced off of curved windshields), the 1911 pistol design has never jammed...ever in history, and won't even if driven over with a truck in the mud. The Rem 7400 in '06 with an "Ironsighter" mounted 3x9 Tasco loaded with accelerators is every bit as good as a 220 Swift in an HB varmint gun and can, just by changing to heavy bullets, be great for Grizzly (somehow the guy next to him with the 300 win mag would be a fool to walk around in bear country with that over bored "God awful kicking" joke of a gun). The 270, also with a look under 3x9 Tasco can take game at 1000 yards easy, the 7mm can take really big game at 1000 yards, also with ease. Actually the '06 can do this too with boat tail bullets. The 44 mag "in a Ruger" is still the worlds biggest handgun and appropriate for all game that would need a 338 or 375 if you were fool enough to use a rifle (when this guy started walking a screw out of his Ruger with his own special hand loads I must admit I was impressed!). And of course our current topic that the 45-70 is way more of a gun than the Lott, little alone the puny 458 Win mag and could probably take on some wussy 505 Gibbs.

Thanks! It felt good to rant.

Garret's claims may be BS, but he's a smart guy....

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
Ehh. Garretts are fun to shoot, in a painful way. They do have about the same ballistics as a 405 Win. but w. a larger bullet... which actually had a decent African rep, once upon a time... Whenever I finally get to Africa, I'm taking it along, don't know quite what I'll use it on, but I'll take it.

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Originally posted by El Deguello:
I have never hunted in Africa, and my dogs do a creditable job of keeping the elephants, rhinos, and Cape Bufflao out of my back yard here.

It seems to me that there is a specific velocity range withing which a .458", 500-grain solid bullet will penetrate deepest. Assuming this is true, then the size, shape, and powder capacity of the cartridge case that'll give such a bullet the required velocity does not matter. I will not pretend to know what this cartridge is, however, a .458 Lott, a .460 WM, a .45/70, or whatever. I leave that to people who should know based on experience.

If I ever have an opportunity to shoot at such game, however, I will probably select the .416 Rigby in my safe vs the .45/70 that sits there beside it.....

Free 500grains

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Originally posted by El Deguello:
The .45 ACP did NOT save the Marines in the Philippines, and the .38 they had been using was NOT a .38 Special! What saved the troops in the Philippines was the re-issue of the "obsolete .45 COLT Peacemaker they had replaced with the useless .38 Colt BP load which by any measure was a wimpy load. The .45 ACP did not come along until at least 9 years after the Philippine Insurrection was over.

And it was another 40 years before the Pentagon was built!

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Originally posted by ScottS:
George,

Not Boomie, but I have seen the effects of a 45-70 on whitetail. It works about as well as the 12 ga slug when said 45-70 is loaded with 405gr Remington SP at 1900 fps and the range is kept under 75 yards. So it does work OK for whitetails at shorter ranges.

I guess if it has been loaded with 540gr HC Garretts it would have been much better though.

• It is a hold over black powder cartridge.
  
• It has a straight wall case.
  
• It is a Hell of a man killer out of a Trapdoor Springfield or a Gatlin Gun.
  
• It is adequate for Whitetailed deer out to 100 yards.
  
• It will kill bears if you are close enough and the bears ain't coming for you and you don't need to stop them in a hurry!
  

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Originally posted by surestrike:
Boomy,

I love ya man..

My advice to you is still to get your sorry .45-70 worshiping ass out to Africa and put your money where your mouth is.

The end.

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Originally posted by Marc_Stokeld:
BS-

please take it easy with the pics! Man, not all of us live in urban areas and mongo pics really are a pain on slower nervices. We know you love the .45-70 and that is great, so please don't feel the need to post whole magazine articles for us here. Not menat to be angry, just asking for your assitance.

Also, can you put the picture in your signature on its side? It is very tall when viewing threads and kinda screws up the spacing of everything.

Again, not meant to be mean or anything, just asking for your consideration.

Thanks!

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:

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Originally posted by Marc_Stokeld:
BS-

please take it easy with the pics! Man, not all of us live in urban areas and mongo pics really are a pain on slower nervices. We know you love the .45-70 and that is great, so please don't feel the need to post whole magazine articles for us here. Not menat to be angry, just asking for your assitance.

Also, can you put the picture in your signature on its side? It is very tall when viewing threads and kinda screws up the spacing of everything.

Again, not meant to be mean or anything, just asking for your consideration.

Thanks!

Marc,

Just put him on 'ignore' as so many others have.

George

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
I'm a handgun hunter who likes his big-bore rifles, who thinks Randy Garret has a drug problem or simply a distorted grasp of physics!

....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
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"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
To kill an animal, you simply have to pop a hole through it just like you would a can of Lonestare beer, when it goes empty the animal dies, it runs out of gas..

Normally I can slowly drink a few cool ones faster than a .45-70 kills a deer with a hot handload, but when the animal runs out of gas it will die, but you may have to walk a ways to find him.

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Originally posted by boom stick:

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Originally posted by surestrike:
Boomy,

I love ya man..

My advice to you is still to get your sorry .45-70 worshiping ass out to Africa and put your money where your mouth is.

The end.

All i said was has anyone read it...

Here now you can all read it.

For informational purposes only. Not for pissing.

Warning...do not read if you have high blood preasure.

This is not my opinion just reporting the magazine article so dont shoot the messenger...or drop a hard cast flat point on my head.

OK I amgoing to post t in the leverguns board a post a link for those interested in the info.

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=...=856104037#856104037

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
To kill an animal, you simply have to pop a hole through it just like you would a can of Lonestare beer, when it goes empty the animal dies, it runs out of gas..

Normally I can slowly drink a few cool ones faster than a .45-70 kills a deer with a hot handload, but when the animal runs out of gas it will die, but you may have to walk a ways to find him.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
Perhaps I should have asked how much game you have shot with the 45-70. If you had you would know game travels a great deal after receiving a shot from those big overly slow bullets. Animals shot with it basically bleed to death and in many instances that takes awhile.