The .505 Gibbs is still intact.
The 404 Jeffery has only fired about 40 shots with 400-grain Woodleighs at about 2175 fps.

Bad grain flow pattern in the 404J.
Not much better in the .505.
Thanks for the fine stock layout goes to CZ.

Just for fun I will try to repair the 404 with two 1/4" bolts of allthread inserted through the gripcap area with epoxy in the pre-drilled holes, superglue, for the little chip,
and brown-stained epoxy for the big break.
Then sand and touch up the checkering and strip and refinish it all.
Place a steel gripcap over the allthread insertion holes.
Might be stronger than before it broke.
But will it look like hell?

Oh, well, I better do the allthread and gripcap on the .505 before it breaks too.

Notice that the proper bedding job, with pillars, will bring the bottom metal down to flush with wood,
instead of buried in the wood,
like it came from the "factory."

Ouch! I hate to see that.

Ouch!
Cap and wrist pin and yes some glues are stonger than wood. Woodshop geek here.
Time to go synthetic

Terrible. Send the SOB back to CZ.

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:

Just for fun I will try to repair the 404 with two 1/4" bolts of allthread inserted through the gripcap area with epoxy in the pre-drilled holes, superglue, for the little chip,
and brown-stained epoxy for the big break.
Then sand and touch up the checkering and strip and refinish it all.
Place a steel gripcap over the allthread insertion holes.
Might be stronger than before it broke.
But will it look like hell?

You are right about the crappy lay-out.

Why only two pieces of allthread? I would think a third run parallel to the top of the grip from the tang recess would add some strength.

As far as looking like hell, Jack Belk used to do this repair and it was said to come out nearly invisible.

But my real question: why not have CZ replace it with a proper stock?

were you shooting off hand? or led sled? if off hand where did the rifle end up after?

Their is no gaurantee with any wood but why does cz use western black or american walnut on big bores that makes no sense to me, then on top of that they dont even get 1/4 sawn blanks. I think every cz stock even with crossbolts will break eventually, I have heard 2-3 shots and they break.

I know CZ's are cheap but the fact they most likely will break? whats the point

Certainly not the first I have heard of this happening to a CZ "custom shop" affair.

I love my CZ's to death, but they need to get their shit together.

JBrown,
Yes, good idea about a third allthread.
One of my two was where you suggested the "third."
The third will be all the the way from the butt to the rear action pillar,
parallel to the long axis of the stock.
Deep hole drilling.

And I will call CZ just for fun to see what they have to say for themselves.

BIJOUCREEK,
I have never been near a Lead Sled except to see them on the shelf at various shops.
As modest as the 404 Jeffery is in recoil,
I would shoot it wearing only a turban on my head, with no worries except that someone might think I was John "Pondoro" Taylor reincarnated.

Agree on the CZ "fancy" or "custom shop" wood. Last "fancy" CZ stock I ever buy.
I saw one arrive at the local dealer with a similar crack visible, right out of the box, not yet fallen apart.
Poor Mr. UPS got blamed unfairly maybe?

Kevlar is mighty nice. SCHWING!

Another candidate for a McM Express stock or a trip to AHR for an overall Beauty makeover. If you don't want to screw with it you can send it to me and I'll make sumtin' out of it ...

quote:

Kevlar is mighty nice. SCHWING!

It is not pretty furnature... You have to be able to use it as a club when you run out of ammo

My friends new CZ 458 lott cracked in the same place on the FIRST shot - an offhand standing shot.

He had a new CZ stock put on it. Then he had problems with the safety. He had a gunsmith correct that then he had problems with the bolt not opening more than an inch.

I urged him to take it to Nick Tooth who is the best gunsmith in our area. He looked it over and said (no kidding) "Hmm - the bolt wont open". Then he said since the shop he worked in was a CZ rep he would need the factories permission to modify it.

Bill sort of lost it at that point and explained in a firm tone of voice that CZ doesn't own that rifle because he paid for it and it was his. Finally Nick got the point - it was possibly because of the fire in Bills eyes. Anyway, in a couple weeks Mr. Tooth called and said it was working again.

Finally he had it all set and we tried it on my range. It wouldn't even hit a 4x8 sheet of plywood at 100 yds so we moved the target to 50 yds and it hit the dirt 3 ft below the target with the maximum vertical adjustment on the scope.

Bass Pro found a different scope with enough vertical adjustment that got it on target. So far he had spent over a thousand dollars and 5 months trying to get it to shoot and was down to 3 weeks before leaving for Tanzania.

I kept trying to get him junk it but being a stubborn feller he was determined to beat it and finally did. I helped him develop a load using A Frames and we took it to the Selous and Bill shot a nice old buff with it. That went a long way toward justifying the trouble in Bills mind. Now I will never get him to dump it.

On the other hand he has a CZ .375 that was perfect right out of the box.

Improper layout in the wrist. Send it back to CZ and get them to replace it with straight grain.

RIP, your 404J is trying to tell you something; it's a nice rifle trying to bust free from that club CZ calls a stock. There's a nice rifle hidden inside every CZ, it just takes time and money to get it out.

Don't waste your time repairing that stock. Instead, get a new stock from CZ and spend that time (and money) on having it bedded, shaped, refinished and checkered. While you're at it, spend a few hundred bucks and fix all the other crap that's wrong with a CZ - like the bolt handle and safety for starters.

Release your inner CZ!

Rippo,

Quit whining. You were probably shooting hot loads on a hot day with temperature dependent powder in a lead sled. 404 Jeffreys are suppose to be mild medicine.

I am sure he just didn't tighten his guard screws.He should pay closer attention to the basic or elementary part of shooting and less on the wildcat stuff...

Truthfully a bad deal. I would send it back to CZ USA, you paid extra for that wood in the 404J, they should have known better, the grain flow is really bad. Don't waste your time repairing it, let CZ look at it so they can train their stock makers a bit better.

John

send it back to CZ ..

quote:

Originally posted by shootaway:
I am sure he just didn't tighten his guard screws.He should pay closer attention to the basic or elementary part of shooting and less on the wildcat stuff...

Everyone but "shootaway" is making good sense or good fun here.

As always, "shootaway" makes the most assinine post on the entire thread.

But wait, can he top that with something even more assinine?

...yeah right.When was the last time you checked to see if the screws were tight and the trigger guard/magazine box,fitted perfectly, before tightening, on all your rifles? If you believed the stock was not right from the start,why did you shoot the rifle and not return it immediately?

shootaway speaks again:

The stock cracked with THE CRACK OF THE SHOT That made me crack up.

quote:

Originally posted by shootaway:
The stock cracked with THE CRACK OF THE SHOT That made me crack up.

jerkwad . tosser

I called CZ-USA.

Replacement stock was offered, immediately.
CZ-USA warranty department admits that they get fooled by the hidden defects in the "fancy" wood sometimes.

But, since they stand by replacement for the occasional bad stock they send out ...

Good on CZ.
Most of those fancy walnut stocks must be holding up.

I am going to put a a 3/8" steel allthread from butt to rear pillar in the .505 Gibbs, prophylactically.

I still say the CZ Kevlar stock is a wonderful thing.

RIP: Thanks for stealing MY ass. Just remember, it's named RIP-Flatlander.

When you got the guns, did you take them apart, custom fit and bed, prior to shooting?

I don't trust CZ, and would never take a rifle straight to the range, except for a 22lr 452, and, now you got me thinking even though it shoots, maybe I should have that checked, too.

Gee-Ass (GS):
Another salute to your attitude:

Yes thanks for the photo of the jackass.
It is simply copied from your link.
Is that link a family photo album of yours?
Just because you say it is my likeness doesn't make it so.
We could not possibly be related any closer than species and genus level.

I reckon you and shootaway are closely related.

And why the hell do you keep calling me a flatlander?

I do believe the earth is pretty much a sphere, though it may have a slight equatorial bulge.

I also believe that the earth revolves around the sun, not your ass.

I'm glad CZ treated you right, RIP. Good luck with the new one.

Hello RIP,
Always good to hear when the gun mfg. does the right thing. Glad to hear it worked out well for you.

I have one of the CZ clunkers in 458 Lott and I will have the gun properly restocked with a decent piece of wood. I have never had a stock crack on ANY heavy rifle and it seems strange that CZ would not address this issue long ago! This is very bad business and they should be concerned about possible litigation due to this problem. The CZ is a decent platform to start with but needs a good smith to go over the entire action for smoothing and fitting. It still comes back to the old saying, "you get what you pay for"!

Rip, now that you have a new stock comming for your 404, shoot it and quit using it for a club!

Keith

I'm sorry RIP.

Did you miss the question inbetween the ad homs you were posting, to cover up that you stole my ass?

You make yourself out to be a gumsmith, so, why did you shoot this gun without checking it first?

Any COMPETENT gunsmith would know that they should check the bedding and fit of the stock on a big gun before shooting it.

One more time: DID YOU CHECK THE FIT, AND BED THE GUN, PRIOR TO SHOOTING IT??????

If you didn't, you deserve the broken stock...

quote:

Originally posted by GS:
I'm sorry RIP.

Did you miss the question inbetween the ad homs you were posting, to cover up that you stole my ass?

So RIP is an ass bandit, huh?

George

quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeS:

quote:

Originally posted by GS:
I'm sorry RIP.

Did you miss the question inbetween the ad homs you were posting, to cover up that you stole my ass?

So RIP is an ass bandit, huh?

George

EXACTLY~!

George: How long does one have to post here to have ad hom rights like RIP?

Does it require some sort of carnal act or something? I mean, he's stole my ass already.

What else has he done???

OH, my!!!! It just occured to me my ass better keep her tail and back feet ready....

quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeS:

quote:

Originally posted by GS:
I'm sorry RIP.

Did you miss the question inbetween the ad homs you were posting, to cover up that you stole my ass?

So RIP is an ass bandit, huh?

George

You East Coasters!

So Rippo, how much do your plastic CZ stocks weigh?

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
Gee-Ass (GS):
Another salute to your attitude:

Yes thanks for the photo of the jackass.
It is simply copied from your link.
Is that link a family photo album of yours?
Just because you say it is my likeness doesn't make it so.
We could not possibly be related any closer than species and genus level.

I reckon you and shootaway are closely related.

And why the hell do you keep calling me a flatlander?

I do believe the earth is pretty much a sphere, though it may have a slight equatorial bulge.

I also believe that the earth revolves around the sun, not your ass.

So, I gather that this is your way of saying that you didn't have the stocks checked for fitting prior to fitting, and shooting?

Just for the record, for anyone out there:

You should always have the stock to action fit checked prior to buying a new big bore by a COMPETENT GUNSMITH. MOST competent gunsmiths will explain WHY this is a necessary with big bores, in particular ones that are made and stocked in Europe.

So, I guess we know now about RIP...=

as far as gumsmithing, and stocking...

I do have to give you credit, , RIP. Most people would have just lied, and said they checked, and bedded the stocks prior to shooting. But, no, you try and cover up your actions with ad homs. Nice try, but, you do earn a minor bit of respect, kind of like the stuff that smells between my toes...

Will,
2#10oz for the "Kevlar" stock from CZ for the 550 Magnum.
Read about it here if you have not seen this before:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...031028111#4031028111

quote:

Originally posted by GS:

You make yourself out to be a gumsmith ...

Gee Ass: No, I am not a dentist, never claimed to be, nor a gunsmith.
Do you have some sort of reading comprehension problem?

George:
I am an ass bandit! Good one!

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:

quote:

Originally posted by GS:

You make yourself out to be a gumsmith ...

Gee Ass: No, I am not a dentist, never claimed to be, nor a gunsmith.
Do you have some sort of reading comprehension problem?

George:
I am an ass bandit! Good one!

Oh, but you are a gumsmith. You talk a good game, but, fail to do the most basic thing you should do with a heavy rifle:
Have a REAL gunsmith check the tolerances and bed the stock, prior to shooting.
You have also failed to explain WHY that should be done, which just shows more ignorance...

Then you blame CZ....


George:
Can we rename this thread?
How about:"I was a stupid

and shot a new big bore without having the stock to action fitting checked prior, by a REAL, PROFESSIONAL, GUNSMITH?"

PS:
RIP:
I want my ass back, and, it BETTER NOT BE ABUSED....

Gee Ass:
I have been doing things right with rifles since before you were born.

You and shootaway are in the same league.
You can stop showing your ass and your ignorance now.
It's always good for a laugh or two, but then it gets so "shootaway" after two or three of your posts.

I was starting to confuse GS and Shootaway for a minute there, they have the same rant and everything. I don't know what a competent gunsmith could have done with that stock, the flow of the grain through the wrist is wrong, and I don't know if it can be fixed. Bedding and crossbolting the stock would have been pointless as in the picture you can see the two crossbolts. A wristpin might have helped, but I doubt it, it would have probably cracked and the wristpin would have held it together.

For those that don't know, the 404J is only available through safari classics, these guns are pulled from factory CZs and reworked in the USA at an upcharge. IIRC, the cost is double a standard 550 mag. These are supposed to be good to go out of the box, they are supposed to be bedded and crossbolted. It is a shame to see one go kaput.

The best news is they are replacing the stock with no hassles.

John