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Originally posted by RIP:
Gee Ass:
I have been doing things right with rifles since before you were born.

You and shootaway are in the same league.
You can stop showing your ass and your ignorance now.
It's always good for a laugh or two, but then it gets so "shootaway" after two or three of your posts.

Well, I'm 55. How old are you?

Gotta watch the alcohol. Over that age....

Figure your old enough that you might have a brain tumor, judging by your actions in this thread, and, failing to do the most basic
checking of a big bore rifle. It could be the Big A starting to set in. I'm sorry to hear that...

PS: George:
I guess RIP is the challenged one in the forum, and that's what gets him his ad hom rights, and status?

JOHN:
Don't care. The very nature of buying a big bore requires that it's checked by a gunsmith, prior to shooting, to make sure that the stock hasn't shrunk away from the action. ANYONE THAT DOESN'T DO SO IS AN

This is a very enjoyable thread. Rarely does a 'know it all' expose their ignorance in such flaming fashion, trying to blame a gunmaker for their ignorance...

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Originally posted by Big Bore Boar Hunter:
I was starting to confuse GS and Shootaway for a minute there, they have the same rant and everything. I don't know what a competent gunsmith could have done with that stock, the flow of the grain through the wrist is wrong, and I don't know if it can be fixed. Bedding and crossbolting the stock would have been pointless as in the picture you can see the two crossbolts. A wristpin might have helped, but I doubt it, it would have probably cracked and the wristpin would have held it together.

For those that don't know, the 404J is only available through safari classics, these guns are pulled from factory CZs and reworked in the USA at an upcharge. IIRC, the cost is double a standard 550 mag. These are supposed to be good to go out of the box, they are supposed to be bedded and crossbolted. It is a shame to see one go kaput.

The best news is they are replacing the stock with no hassles.

John

Good analysis above, all of it.
Your confusion between GS and shootaway is understandable.
Both seem to have a mental age stuck in puberty.

A first for me, two members on my ignore list at the same time:
1. shootaway
2. GS

Back to the stock problem:
I agree with all that you say there too.
Yes, you see that it is glass bedded and crossbolted.
Pillars bedded in epoxy too, instead of the factory spacers.

Then you shoot it until it breaks at the wrist.

If you pin/allthread the wrist or go from butt to pillar with a longer allthread,
that would be an excuse for CZ not to replace it when it cracked anyway.
Yep, just a bad stock layout, with the grain direction lost in all that figure.

Shoot them until they break, then get CZ-USA to replace it, and CZ-USA will soon learn to get the layout right.
The Kevlar stock is looking mighty good.

Sorry to hear about the broken stock. I had my 416 glass bedded and didn't have any problems, but still didn't like the thick grip, so, after a response by you to a question I had about the Kevlar stock,I have ordered the Kevlar from CZ. Don't have it yet, but now thinking about ordering only Kevlar stocked rifles from CZ.

Thanks for the input RIP.

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Originally posted by BEGNO:
... now thinking about ordering only Kevlar stocked rifles from CZ.

Me too.

RIP:

Sorry about the problem there I almost bought a fancy CZ once. I'm taking my 500 Jeffery out today to see if I can break (lets hope not)the stock with some new loads. I'd like to see a photo of a RSM stock failure I've heard talk about it but haven't ever seen one.

Good Luck Brad

CZ charges about the same for a "fancy" walnut stock as the Kevlar.

I have asked them to replace my "fancy" walnut 404 Jeffery stock with the Kevlar stock.

I'll post a pic when I get it.

I own 14 CZ 550 Magnum rifles, only 2 had the "fancy" American black walnut, a 505 Gibbs and a 404 Jeffery.
The 505 Gibbs has taken a lickin' and is still tickin'.
The grain flow through that grip may be a little better than it was on the 404 Jeffery.

I tried to repair the 404 Jeffery myself.
I practiced some deep-hole drilling, from butt to tang, and from grip cap to tang.
I filled the holes with allthread and epoxy.
I ended up adding a half pound of weight to the butt that way.
The 9.5 pound, well balanced 404 became a butt-heavy 10-pounder.
And it looked like hell, would never be concealed by even a complete refinishing and re-checkering of the grip,
where the stock broke off and splintered a chip loose.

I have learned how to do the job to prevent the 505 Gibbs wood from ever breaking.
It already has real pillars, crossbolts, and glass bedding.
But so did the 404 Jeffery.

"Fancy" American black walnut cross-grained through the wrist of the 404 Jeffery will not be a problem now:

With Kevlar stock, with full alloy bedding block, ought to be about 9 pounds dry weight.