I tried to think of a response, to what combat means to those of us, and to those that have not.
I just couldnt come up with the words.
Thankyou Gundog for the way you put it.

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

When you talk to your vet friends about trump's multiple bullshit draft deferments due to supposed bone spurs, what do they say?

Mike,
And you mention nothing of Bidens 5 deferments. If Bidens deferments do not bother you, why should Trump's?

And to Mr. Jines,
This may not matter to you, but to many Vet's it is going to matter. For those that understand, no explanation in needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

yeppers, though i think it was 6 deferments, for asthma, while playing college football

I had almost immediately removed the “under oath”. He was a congressman speaking to a committee.

https://nypost.com/2024/08/09/...ving-national-guard/

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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The carrying a rifle to war and Afghanistan statements, the Afghanistan one under oath before Congress rise to a very different level.

I haven't been able to verify your claim "the Afghanistan one under oath before Congress".

But here's the one about carrying a rifle in war:

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1820918063966962143

And here's an article about the Afghanistan thing:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/p...nd-other-republicans

Fact-checking attacks on Walz’s military record by Vance and other Republicans
Politics Aug 11, 2024 5:32 PM EDT

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And another thing - all those things you say about veterans, being true, doesn't mean they have special status or dispensation regarding judgment of the candidates' morals, honor or qualifications. They are subject to the same biases as the rest of us in that regard.

However, IMO, they have a special type of handicap:

https://youtube.com/shorts/6z-...?si=iDWibcFI7P6XbhHJ

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
. . . y’all keeping it that thin gruel and you will never feel satiated.

why don't you try not lifting up stolen valor, k?

Why don’t you have another heaping helping of thin gruel, k? I am happy to hear Earnest’s arguments. He served. Those that never served, or served a four year enlistment in a media relations position, who want to bloviate about stolen valor for someone that served 24 years, not so concerned about their opinions. Honestly the GOP does themselves more harm than good using these issues to campaign on.

The only people buying into these attacks on Walz' service to his country are the brain-dead trumptards. I certainly respect the Judge's vet buddies' opinions but I could care less what they think.

The man served honorably and this swift-boating bullshit that has now become a standard part of the GOP playbook is shameful.

I am not a combat veteran (unless you count a couple of barracks brawls) and would never claim such. My daughter is and has the t-shirt. That any politician, or anyone else, would make the claim when it is untrue, is disrespectful at best. It is a big deal.
Walz' service is just as valid as any other federal employee, but he should not claim experience he does not have. Now that his status has been straightened out, it can be taken off the table. Bill.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
The only people buying into these attacks on Walz' service to his country are the brain-dead trumptards. I certainly respect the Judge's vet buddies' opinions but I could care less what they think.

The man served honorably and this swift-boating bullshit that has now become a standard part of the GOP playbook is shameful.

MM and MJ
If it wasn't important, why did he lie about it, for years? I thought " all right minded people" dispused all liars categorically... or is there a sub category that says "but for our guy, it's okay?"

It may not be important TO YOU, but it is to some

Stolen valor was all the rage when some idiot R-rep from Texas was wearing a CIB he couldn't have properly earned.

I recall some quasi famous quote about "if you can't trust a man on small truths, only a fool would believe him about important issues"

And yall can stop the deflection responses. I haven't and ain't voting for trump.

Same reason Custer used his temporary rank after being returned to Lt Col.

Walz obtained the rank, and it was not removed from him due to malfeasance.

Good portion of ego there.

Again, Custer’s monument, paid for the the U.S. War Department, list his temp rank of Major General.

If the rank had been stripped of him by malfeasance, I would agree with you.

Talk about false equivalencies . . . someone that “served” as command sergeant major but did not “retire” as a command sergeant major is in the same camp as someone wearing an unearned combat infantry badge. Sorry but if you cannot see a material difference between those two situations there is really not much to talk about on this subject.

Mike
Timmy said he carried the weapons IN war. Is a lie. Repeated several times and used as rational for his gun grabbing philosophy..

He also, as I understand it, would not have been able to be eligible for a CIB even if he went to war... I think either his Mos, perm rank, or temp rank would have removed him from consideration.

Nice try to deflect the convo even though it doesn't woek

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Originally posted by MJines:
Talk about false equivalencies . . . someone that “served” as command sergeant major but did not “retire” as a command sergeant major is in the same camp as someone wearing an unearned combat infantry badge. Sorry but if you cannot see a material difference between those two situations there is really not much to talk about on this subject.

Sure, so you are seeing your way out of nonsensical conversation? I doubt it

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
The only people buying into these attacks on Walz' service to his country are the brain-dead trumptards. I certainly respect the Judge's vet buddies' opinions but I could care less what they think.

The man served honorably and this swift-boating bullshit that has now become a standard part of the GOP playbook is shameful.

MM and MJ
If it wasn't important, why did he lie about it, for years? I thought " all right minded people" dispused all liars categorically... or is there a sub category that says "but for our guy, it's okay?"

It may not be important TO YOU, but it is to some

Stolen valor was all the rage when some idiot R-rep from Texas was wearing a CIB he couldn't have properly earned.

I recall some quasi famous quote about "if you can't trust a man on small truths, only a fool would believe him about important issues"

And yall can stop the deflection responses. I haven't and ain't voting for trump.

What did he lie about what "for years?" I've seen one video clip where he talks about carrying military weapons during war.

Is there more than that?

BTW, and I will tell you right now, I don't know the answer to this question.

Does Walz have a CIB? Has he claimed the right to have one?

I've never been in the military but I'm pretty sure that anybody that claims to have been in combat applies for or is awarded a Combat Infantry Badge.

Did Walz ask for one?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

Walz obtained the rank, and it was not removed from him due to malfeasance.

Good portion of ego there.

..
If the rank had been stripped of him by malfeasance, I would agree with you.

He was "frocked"( I don't think that term applies to enlisted) at a temp rank and categorically failed to meet his terms of CONTRACT. He would have immediately been stripped of that ra k, and may have been kicked out of the army had he not retired

Perhaps we have different meaning of malfeasance.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

Walz obtained the rank, and it was not removed from him due to malfeasance.

Good portion of ego there.

..
If the rank had been stripped of him by malfeasance, I would agree with you.

He was "frocked"( I don't think that term applies to enlisted) at a temp rank and categorically failed to meet his terms of CONTRACT. He would have immediately been stripped of that ra k, and may have been kicked out of the army had he not retired

Perhaps we have different meaning of malfeasance.

The army decided to kick him out after 24 years for some sort of deficient or unseemly behavior? Is that the narrative now? Took them 24 years to to figure it out? Or, is it the other bullshit narrative that he decided to retire on his own in order to avoid going to Iraq?

Which?

You should stop. He served honorably for 24 years. Attack his politics, attack his beliefs, attack his political record but don't attack his service to his country.

Malfeasance meaning he did something against the Military Code of Justice or honor of the Army to have the rank removed.

It was not due to bad behavior.

If you going to quote me, please quote me in entirety. The example of. Sister is not the only one like this.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:

Walz obtained the rank, and it was not removed from him due to malfeasance.

Good portion of ego there.

..
If the rank had been stripped of him by malfeasance, I would agree with you.

He was "frocked"( I don't think that term applies to enlisted) at a temp rank and categorically failed to meet his terms of CONTRACT. He would have immediately been stripped of that ra k, and may have been kicked out of the army had he not retired

Perhaps we have different meaning of malfeasance.

The army decided to kick him out after 24 years for some sort of deficient or unseemly behavior? Is that the narrative now? Took them 24 years to to figure it out? Or, is it the other bullshit narrative that he decided to retire on his own in order to avoid going to Iraq?

Which?

You should stop. He served honorably for 24 years. Attack his politics, attack his beliefs, attack his political record but don't attack his service to his country.

Get educated on the subject Mike. The t&c of the agreement walz signed up for. Handle.itnlike contract law. He breached the terms of his commitment when he resigned

I am directly and specifically addressing behavior that he thought significant enough to first lie about and then correct. It's your strawman that I am attacking his service, which is only in Your head

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
Malfeasance meaning he did something against the Military Code of Justice or honor of the Army to have the rank removed.

It was not due to bad behavior.

If you going to quote me, please quote me in entirety. The example of. Sister is not the only one like this.

"Sister"?

I dint alter your thrust by removing the extraneous bit. I expect you'll heal up. I will post as I see fit. You can get glad in the same pants you got mad in.

He failed his commitment. Sure smells like malfeasance, and his ACTING /TEMP rank was removed due to failing to finish his commitment. He would have received "non Judicial punishment " and either been reduced in rank and position or separated from the army. Those are the two failed outcomes in the agreement.

Ga, lawyers trying to tell me that breaking a contract isn't a bad thing

Frankly
Walz felt the "errors and omissions" important enough to apologize for his actions and revise his bio. Yall carrying his water after that is kinda funny

We can switch to his defunded the police and gun grabbing politics, if you need something to argue about.

And letting Minneapolis burn for days before calling in the Guard to help with the riots.

Dont forget, turn in your neighbor if they break my covid rules.
Dem, Repub or independent, telling them to turn in a neighbor for not staying inside is BS.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Dont forget, turn in your neighbor if they break my covid rules.
Dem, Repub or independent, telling them to turn in a neighbor for not staying inside is BS.

Oh I guess you mean like the Texas abortion bounty . . . encouraging private individuals to sue their neighbors and giving a reward of at least $10,000 to anyone who successfully sues a doctor, health center worker, or any person who helps someone obtain an abortion after six weeks of pregnancy. Seems like the Rep are just as anxious to control the lives of people as the Dems doesn’t it.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Dont forget, turn in your neighbor if they break my covid rules.
Dem, Repub or independent, telling them to turn in a neighbor for not staying inside is BS.

Oh I guess you mean like the Texas abortion bounty . . . encouraging private individuals to sue their neighbors and giving a reward of at least $10,000 to anyone who successfully sues a doctor, health center worker, or any person who helps someone obtain an abortion after six weeks of pregnancy. Seems like the Rep are just as anxious to control the lives of people as the Dems doesn’t it.

An idiotic law

With Dobbs overturning, a limited federal right, no restriction upon idiotic legislatures.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Saeed, for what it is worth, your opinion on our political process is about as meaningful as a fart in a whirlwind. Let me assure you that no one in the US, left, right or independent, really gives a shit what you think. You might spend the time you take commenting on our political process getting your f’ed part of world squared away. Would be a much more productive use of your time.

Well written!!!

Hear, hear!

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
Vance accuses Walz of stolen valor.

Walz accuses Vance of using too much eyeliner and screwing sofa cushions to get his rocks off.

Neither addresses policy of any sort.

Oh well, if Trump/Vance win, I suppose they can possibly get a volume discount by all using Melanomas makeup artist.

Helluva deal. Leaders of the free world, these guys.

Justin trudeau.......

(Mic Drop)


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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I get it. He scares you guys. A military vet with credentials versus your shit-bird draft dodging turd. It would worry me too if i was you. So, you have to make up shit and attack his service to his country.

He scares me
, but its because he is an uber liberal kook!

quote:

Originally posted by Gundog 64:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

When you talk to your vet friends about trump's multiple bullshit draft deferments due to supposed bone spurs, what do they say?

Mike,
And you mention nothing of Bidens 5 deferments. If Bidens deferments do not bother you, why should Trump's?

And to Mr. Jines,
This may not matter to you, but to many Vet's it is going to matter. For those that understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

Liberal privilege.......



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After he was reverted, Walz minted “challenge coins” with his name as a member of Congress and “Command Sgt Major” thereupon. I guess he just misspoke.

https://m.facebook.com/story.p...n9A4gl&id=1365294365

Yes jines, just like that. Did you see where I put in all parties? Miss that did ya? But you are fine if Walz does it?

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Originally posted by JTEX:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I get it. He scares you guys. A military vet with credentials versus your shit-bird draft dodging turd. It would worry me too if i was you. So, you have to make up shit and attack his service to his country.

He scares me
, but its because he is an uber liberal kook!

100%

The Walz family is nuts.

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Yes jines, just like that. Did you see where I put in all parties? Miss that did ya? But you are fine if Walz does it?

You must have missed where I stated early on that I know nothing about the man. He may be a turd, he may be a diamond. I frankly do not know. My guess is that like most people he falls somewhere in the mucky middle. My only point on this thread is that having a hissy fit over the distinction between "served as" and "retired as" when the man served his country 24 years seems petty, disingenuous and probably does the GOP more harm than good in the long run in attempting to attack the man. Maybe this thread should be restricted for comments to all those that served 24 years or more in the military. If they have a gripe, sound off. But as for those that never served, or served a four year enlistment as a media relations specialist, like I said, I am not that concerned about their kibitzing.

List the number of TO's you have been in, then I'll listen to your version of a guardsman that was never in combat, claiming so.

I never purported to serve . . . but then again, I have never been critical of the record of someone who did for 24 years.

I have never seen reporting of Walz claiming to have been in an active combat zone.

I have seen reporting that he said of ARs we do not need weapons that he would carry into combat in schools, churches etc.

That read as a fair statement to me if you believe in such things.

I do not believe in equating semi ARs to their military cousins. We have a federal law that defines what a military arm is.

Had he deployed to active combat he would have went with a three shot burst AR pattern weapon.

Mike:
You, I and Vance don’t need to be critical. It seems that enough of his peers are coming forth with distain is enough. Boy! It must really hurt when your Chaplin calls you a trader to the unit.
I really don’t know how you defend against that (even if you’re the best lawyer in Texas).

And, when you misspeak, just memorialize the tiny fib with minted challenge coins.

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Originally posted by MJines:
I never purported to serve . . . but then again, I have never been critical of the record of someone who did for 24 years.

Why are you all having a go at Kamala’s NUMBER TWO?

The MAGA ARSEHOLE’s NUMBER TWO is having his own issues!

Even from his side!!

The fascinating, glorious, American demonstration of true democracy and freedom!

Saeed, my friend:
I beg to differ. Kamala and her # 2 are “having a go” against themselves, it seems.

Everyone already knows Trump’s foibles. Kamala and Walz are just being fair and making/revealing theirs.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Why are you all having a go at Kamala’s NUMBER TWO?

The MAGA ARSEHOLE’s NUMBER TWO is having his own issues!

Even from his side!!

The fascinating, glorious, American demonstration of true democracy and freedom!

https://www.politico.com/news/...credentials-00173236

Harris campaign tweaks Walz biography amid scrutiny of military credentials
The update comes a day after Republicans escalated attacks on his record in the Army National Guard, accusing Walz of inflating his rank at retirement.

“Walz attained the rank of command sergeant major and served in that role but retired as a master sergeant in 2005 for benefit purposes due to not completing additional coursework,” Army public affairs officer Lt. Col. Kristen Augé said in a previous statement to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

08/08/2024 01:12 PM EDT

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
due to not completing additional coursework,” Army public affairs officer Lt. Col. Kristen Augé said in a previous statement to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

08/08/2024 01:12 PM EDT

Fails to mention that 1 also required 2 year commitment post-finish and 2 the "coursework" came with terms and conditions.

Thanks for giving us a chance to again winnow out the truth

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Originally posted by JudgeG:

Everyone already knows Trump’s foibles.

"Foible is a noun that means a minor flaw or shortcoming in character or behavior, or the weakest part of a sword."

That's an interesting and revealing word choice.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
After he was reverted, Walz minted “challenge coins” with his name as a member of Congress and “Command Sgt Major” thereupon. I guess he just misspoke.

https://m.facebook.com/story.p...n9A4gl&id=1365294365

Ernest
It was just a little Ole one-time typo..
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