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And isn't there a harris act violation for supporting a political campaign? Yall remember, when the left was rabid about Harris act violations? https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/07...ce-attack/index.html Walz was never a combat vet. Never saw a shot fired in anger, and 24 years in the guard (1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year) isn't 24 years in the service.. I question That he "retired" as that is a specific series of events and conditions. He didn't have 24 years of service, as compared to someone serving in the actual military. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | ||
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It is not as if he had the rank stripped from him due to malfeasance, I’ll see a retired Sergeant Major in the morning and ask his opinion. I asked him why he never tried for CSM. He told me the ranks were the same E scale, w the same the same pay. | |||
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You mean like Trump calling himself CADET BONE SPUR? | |||
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Well, I asked my friend who is also voting for Trump. He said it was not best practice, but not upsetting. He had the same situation and when someone brings up his rank he says it was Sergeant Major. If no one asked him, he would never mention his service. | |||
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Apparently, Walz was temp raised to CSM, pending successful completion of a program, which had some hefty "hooks" built into it - He didn't finished, and one of the listed and agreed to was IMMEDIATE reduction back to prior rank as well as the possibility of immediate separation from the Army Which would mean, if the Walz said he wasn't completing the course, the army could separate him, at prior, permanent ranks He did NOT "retire' as CSM opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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LHyem, This may not be a big deal to those who have never been in the military. But to most who have served it is a big deal. He did not earn the honor to call himself a "Retired CSM" period, no arguments allowed. Your going to vote Harris/Waltz regardless and that's fine, but his statements will cost him with some. He also claims "no one needs a weapon of war like I carried in war". He never saw combat, he only served in a supporting role of Operation Enduring Freedom in Italy. His statements may not change anybody's mind, but it does give me pause as to how much faith to put behind his campaign promises and what they will actually do if elected. The Tim Waltz of 2012 is not the same Tim Waltz of 2024. | |||
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Like I said, I asked someone who was in the same position. See above. Also, there was a comparison in another thread to Walz and the former White House doctor. That guy had the rank taken from him for malfeasance. Different time, but Lt Col Custer had all who would call him General. His monument says Major General which was his temp rank in the Civil War. The War Department paid for it. | |||
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so, just so i am clear failing to earn the perm rank, which was entirely within Walz's control, and having it striped because he failed isn't "malfeasance" opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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[YAWN] Mike | |||
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Oh I thoroughly read your post, so I guess if it does not matter to your friend, it should not matter to anyone else. | |||
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Rumors are raging that there were several times his gig line was off too. Oh the humanity . . . Wonder if he had bone spurs? Mike | |||
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Mike: Claiming you did stuff you didn’t do is much more troubling to most vets than not serving (in my experience, anyway). The VA group I meet with weekly had negative comments about Walz claiming a retirement status he doesn’t have and bogus war experiences. I was surprised at the vitriol. My buds, having DFCs, Bronze Stars and multiple Purple Hearts, were probably colored thereby in forming their perspective. BTW, my service and sacrifices pale to theirs. You, like me, might be underestimating how much Waltz’s claims might hurt him with vets. Clearly more than a Ho-hummmm. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Did he have tampons in his kit? | |||
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The battle is for the undecideds and the independents. I think most of those folks will view the distinction between “serving” as a command sergeant major and “retiring” as a command sergeant major as a distinction without a difference. Some of those folks may even be resentful such a distinction is even attempting to be drawn. But it definitely gives folks already in Trump’s camp something to squawk and squeal about. Mike | |||
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I think it is worth everyone thinking about. Also see alt Col buried as Major General (temp rank) Custer by the Maj Department. I see nothing to be upset like a msn whose rank was removed due to malfeasance using the rank do removed. Se Mjines response. You can think whatever you want. I have told what I think and why. | |||
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Whatever. The results are a forgone conclusion. Either Kamala or Trump will win. In which case there is no winners, as far the public are concerned! A truly fucked up political system, which went as far to legalize corruption! | |||
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Saeed, for what it is worth, your opinion on our political process is about as meaningful as a fart in a whirlwind. Let me assure you that no one in the US, left, right or independent, really gives a shit what you think. You might spend the time you take commenting on our political process getting your f’ed part of world squared away. Would be a much more productive use of your time. Mike | |||
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There is not much difference between me and you Mike! We are just blowing hot air! You have as much effect on your political system as I do! At least we accept our form of government, and I can assure you it looks after the interest of its people way better than yours. The fallacy that voting and democracy are better are just a load of bloody bullshit! You have two political parties that have so far off the rails they have fallen into the Mariana Trench! So bloody deep in corruption no chemical known to man can clean it. But, it seems to make you all happy to scream at each other, that YOUR opinion matters, while the other 50%'s does not. And vice versa! Kamala or Trump? Choose your poison, arsenic or cyanide! ONE BIG FAT ZERO! | |||
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. . . spoken like a person of privilege (i.e., a member of the lucky sperm club) in a country where the ordinary man or woman gets no voice. Do you know what a self made man is? Of course not, you ain’t one. Mike | |||
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Spoken out of total ignorance about our system. Every citizen, can walk into the Rulers house and see him in his Majlis! ANYDAY! Try getting to see your Ruler in the WH! | |||
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What amazes me is how ignorant some of you are. You keep telling yourselves that you are free. You have the best system in the world. You live in the best country in world. Carry on daydreaming! | |||
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The option of a msn who servers w him means something to me. https://apple.news/A1_RYevvBSCC-QG0io3MsyA | |||
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I am a member of the lucky sperm club as I was born a Citizen and American. | |||
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Minnesota National Guard has disputed Governor Tim Walz's military biography My sense is he's no different than any other politician and embellishes himself without abandon. I am sure there will be more 'dirt' to come about walz. As I have said, enter politics and the crap you've done in life is going to come out. Not that it matters. If you are on lib team you'll still accept your golden calves and vote for them, vice versa. Hypocrisy goes all ways. ~Ann | |||
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"free" I did some reading a day or two ago to refresh what I thought I already knew with a new look at it. I was researching the definition(s) of "cult" so I wouldn't make a glaring mistake in response to another's post. Your use of the word "free", or freedom, in context, caused me to relate back to what I read about cults. The concept of "Free" involves such ideas as autonomy, agency, and maybe equity within and in the "system" by choice or birth. Yes, it's perception and reality, both. But it may not be recognizing "it is what it is". Understanding cults is tough. I use the comparison here, not to imply anything other than the relationship with "free" or freedom. Paradoxically, the author said that autonomy, agency, etc. are some of the base reasons people get into cults, finding such attributes lacking in general society. People need to belong, have a cause, and the peace of the perception of autonomy. So, you see, "free" is a state of mind. It's important to the psychic, (def: relating to the soul or mind) well-being, etc. and it doesn't matter if it's real or imagined. The belief thereof has the same effect. Free or freedom has broad meanings. For example - free-will, freedom of expression, freedom to believe, freedom to vote according to one's bias, and so forth. So, in context, the cult analogy again, when does a cult member cross over the line regarding free-will, into la-la land? All this lends explanation as to why once down the rabbit-hole of cult or cult-like, 99% never leave. The identity centered comfort zone is too strong psychologically. That also explains the need for constant affirmations, (bias) confirmation, and the rejection of critical thinking and evidence and fact that don't conform to always already listening. (echo chamber) There are many parallels. (see the post preceding this one.) ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Thing is.. our president has to be poteccted from envious radical pukes | |||
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That's not agency or freedom, BTW. It's akin to submission to be ruled upon - by elites. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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And x-presidents too. And it ain't personal. Thus, the concept and actuality of "protection" goes far beyond just POTUS, present, former and wannabee. It is intrinsic in our whole system of governance, wee the people, the social contract, and so forth. It's the balancing act. A lot of the arguments I see from those on the Right, about freedom, is lack of recognition or appreciation about the built-in protection of the system, namely laws, rules and norms. And it ain't one-sided protection, favoring one ideology over another. As a matter of fact, the indictments and prosecutions of Trump and co-defendants is within the scope of "protection" that I'm talking about. The whole concept of protecting the rule of law is at stake. The claims of and commitment to reciprocation, retaliation and retribution to what's deemed to be a breakdown, the weaponization of law and agencies, is the prime example of rejection of the "protection" I'm talking about. I could go on, but won't - this time. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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. . . sort of laughable when you think about it. We have one VP candidate who served 24 years in the National Guard. On the other hand we have a VP candidate that served four years in the Marines. One served and held the rank of Command Sergeant Major, the highest noncommissioned officer rank in the military. The other served as a combat correspondent in a public affairs section escorting civilian reporters and writing short stories about marines and their work. My point is not that Walz is a good fellow or a bad fellow, I know very little about the man. My point is simply that to make an issue out of "serving" versus "retiring" as a CSM is like picking fly shit out of pepper. Seems to me there is really no reasonable comparison between the military records of the two candidates. Mike | |||
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Just remember, the winner gets to not only write history but to make history too. The loser is simply history. The question pending is do we/you want project 2025 to make history and in what way, past or present/future? All this constipation about the VP candidates and their military records is small poop, in the scope of history in the making or process. Which side is going to get to make the big dump in the anals of history? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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The Magats and their propaganda arm FOX "News" will plant shit if they can't find any, and you can count on that. https://www.msnbc.com/top-stor...wift-boat-rcna165863 | |||
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Vance accuses Walz of stolen valor. Walz accuses Vance of using too much eyeliner and screwing sofa cushions to get his rocks off. Neither addresses policy of any sort. Oh well, if Trump/Vance win, I suppose they can possibly get a volume discount by all using Melanomas makeup artist. Helluva deal. Leaders of the free world, these guys. | |||
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WSJ editorial board calls the attacks on Walz military record "thin gruel", but then again the Trump sycophants seem to like "thin gruel". Bon appetit. Mike | |||
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He scares the shit out of you, doesn't he? Cadet Bone Spur and JD Vance, the information officer. What a contrast. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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What a shame it is that we've reached the point where the republicans think it is a win to attack a guy who has served his country for 20 plus years. Sad. I guess that's why trump is your guy. All vets are "suckers and losers" per trump. How can you even make the argument with a straight face? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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uhm, Mike, you might have missed the occasional "cadet bone spurs" comment? yeah. oh, exectly HOW many deferments did joe get? no, it doesn't matter TODAY, but is sure did to the TDS zealots opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeffe, Walz served honorably. Your bullshit about him claiming something he doesn't deserve after serving for over 20 years is some sad shit. And, you know it. Especially in light of trump's draft dodging. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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nope, my complaint is lying about his rank .. full stop opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I get it. He scares you guys. A military vet with credentials versus your shit-bird draft dodging turd. It would worry me too if i was you. So, you have to make up shit and attack his service to his country. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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