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Remind me about trump's rank....I mean, just while we're talking about it. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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literally the same as Biden's -- [volley back to you} opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Who would have ever thought that somebody who served his country as a sergeant major or a command sergeant major for over 20 years would have to listen to assholes criticizing his patriotism? That would only be republicans. We're going to beat you. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Soon to be former Commander in Chief. | |||
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You've missed the change? Per your request? This is what amuses me the most. You had a candidate you could beat. Now? Maybe not so much. Thanks to you. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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If he is lying, then then WR Department burying Custer under Major General was a lie. Major General was his temporary rank. His actual, paid rank, he died a was Lt. Colonel. He is not lying. Not was he stripped of the rank due to his bad actions. | |||
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. . . you and I just don’t get it. The GOP is engaged in a 3-dimensional chess game that the average person cannot understand. Maybe Lane will come by and ‘splain it all to us. Mike | |||
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Lane & company only have 1 game plan. Hypocrisy. They don't even try to hide it. | |||
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I was hoping for any other candidate but trump - i was specially hoping for a Haley/Rubio ticket - which i think would have been a dynamic duo sort of power play opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Hey Mike, you remember the 2004 election, When all the left scoffed at GW's time in the reserves vs Kerry active duty The DEM position was that active duty grossly trumps reserves Heck, there's even an entire wiki on it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._service_controversy opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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. . . time for another helping of that thin gruel. Mike | |||
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Bone Spur First Class! Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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Walz priest calls him a coward https://nypost.com/2024/08/09/...ving-national-guard/ opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Walz now says he "misspoke" about carrying weapons of war. https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...aign-says-rcna166038 opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Walz intends to profit off border "jumpers" https://nypost.com/2024/08/0o/...foot-ladder-factory/ opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I meet with vets at least three times a week (generally trying to give info in their quest to have access to the VA benefits they deserve). They care little if someone didn’t serve (service being a positive, not serving neutral). They’ve all seen the Elephant. Every one of them takes great umbrage with a vet who has not even been in a combat zone claiming he has seen Crane’s symbol. Now, there seems to be a tape of Walz claiming Afghanistan service (along with carrying an assault weapon in war and wrongfully claiming he retired as a Command Sgt Major). What you or I think controls one vote each. What combat vets think controls much, much more. I disagree. It is a big thing.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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How do you feel about the attempted theft of a presidential election Ernest? I think that is a really, really big thing. The level of hypocrisy on the right is simply astounding. | |||
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I wonder what your influence has on the vets you administer to. I'm rather sure you share your opinion with them. I also wonder if what you say is THE factor, where does the idea of the Fake Bone Spur Candidate fit into yours and the vets' moral judgments? I know what this Viet Nam era vet thinks of fake Bone Spur types, and the whole system that allows for that, including Nam in the first place, and blow hard self-anointed warrior types too. I didn't carry weapons of war. Weapons of war carried me. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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The bottom line is that after someone serves 24 years in the military, the appropriate comment is "Thank you for your service." JD Vance was a PIO and nobody is shitting on him despite the fact that you'd think he was charging Taliban positions rather than typing up press releases in an air conditioned office. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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I remember the Republicans pulling the same nonsense on Kerry that they are now trying to pull with Walz. Besmirching someone that honorably served. The lowest form of politics. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Y’all are a hoot. I said not one word about any virtue or negative of Kamala, Trump or Vance. I just pointed out how the vets I spend time with look at a vet (or non-vet, for that matter) who claims to have experienced something and did not do so. They believe the claimant is claiming a sacred bond that is undeserved. It’s a character flaw of profound significance. My buds are the real thing. Multiple Purple Hearts, hundreds of Huey gunship missions, DFCs, Bronze Stars with V’s. They had lives after Vietnam as college professors, school superintendents, captains of major and minor industries. They are superior to me in every way (except for my petty knowledge of VA claim procedures and opportunities.) My influence in their (and my) fraternity and mutual respect is truly limited.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Do your friends support stealing elections? | |||
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By whom? Why the heck are you deflecting Walz’s apparent exaggerations to a totally different issue. I’m certainly not saying YOU shouldn’t vote for Walz’s ticket or for or against Trump, only that among the vets I spend time with, Walz’s claims really piss them off. It’s not a little thing to them.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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The Orange Turd, the only one who tried to steal the 2020 election. | |||
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When you talk to your vet friends about trump's multiple bullshit draft deferments due to supposed bone spurs, what do they say? -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Did it occur to you Earnest that perhaps your friends were all Trump supporters to begin with and that the vitriol over the Walz issue is simply them defending their support of Trump and running down an opponent? You have to wonder if the issue related to Vance would they have the same level of angst. I still say it is picking fly shit out of pepper. Mike | |||
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Have you ever read Pat Conroy’s explanation of his Vietnam service avoidance and apology therefor. It’s powerful. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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https://sites.google.com/a/geo...m-hero-by-pat-conroy BTW, Lenny Robertson (the deceased pilot of the A-6) was my best friend in the Marine Corps. We met while both Marine pilots in Marine Air Group 12. He was a thoughtful, selfless man and leader. I miss Lenny every day.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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These men are the brightest and the best. Of the 8 who meet on Thursdays, one is a retired professor from a liberal campus and I doubt he’s ever voted for a Republican. He was severely wounded and spent 6 months at Walter Reid. One is a Phd. Member of the NEA and has told me he’s never voted red. His brother was killed in Vietnam. One, me, is a retired and unimportant judge who was elected twice as a Democrat. One is the father of two children who moved to Canada when Hillary lost. He was a private pilot for one of the largest (and most liberal) of Americas old-money families. He was shot down three times, once spending three days in contact before he could be extracted. 3 DFCs. One is a retired UPS driver who has delivered to the World Trade Center already on 9-11. He’s a lifelong Democrat. CIB and Bronze Star. One is unfortunately dying from Agent Orange and hasn’t been to meeting since Walz was selected. Bronze Star. One is a lifelong journalist. I’m not sure of his politics. The eighth is a 3 time wounded RTO guy. He wonders what happened to the Democrat primary system. Two awards for valor but I’ve forgotten which ones. Belittling their raw emotions when someone claims status as a peer is not really fair I’d think. They earned the right to not like someone lying about being one oh them. I don’t know your record. It really doesn’t matter, but watching a friend die, then another… then you become really cold and unattached. Walz, Demo or Republican, Socialist or Conservative, claimed that experience and bonding pain. That sucks.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Didn't Conroy go to The Citadel too? Making it even more bizarre. And, I bet the Great Santini did not approve. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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The great Santini, Pat’s father, was my first C.O.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Please don't misunderstand my view of warriors as belittling, emotions or character or whatever. They are not one generic bunch. But for some, their raw emotions are fearsome. Their emotions are displaced and the void filled with a combo of something almost unexplainable, but it ain't "normal". They are impressive, but to me not in a favorable way.
I didn't see or remember the movie: There is a quote: The greatest thing The Great Santini ever did was to let his family love him. The Great Santini - Trailer #1 https://youtu.be/VAZHa2zVLQ0?si=o_WUTFZM71AB2eKH Bull Meechum (Robert Duvall) is one of nature’s hard cases, an ace marine fighter pilot so adept at his lethal trade that they call him The Great Santini. But now it’s peacetime 1962. And more at home playing “top gun” in the cockpit than playing father in his own living room, he’s become that most useless of all figures: a warrior without a war. Based on Pat Conroy’s best-selling autobiographical novel, The Great Santini’s battleground is the family home, with Meechum’s objective to mold his oldest son in his own rigid image. Robert Duvall’s impressive career is studded with remarkable screen characterizations but none cuts deeper to the bone than his portrayal of the mercurial Meechum, described by Time’s Richard Corliss as “a one-man nuclear-family holocaust – who can do everything except express what he feels for the people he loves.” This memorable performance also garnered Duvall a 1980 Oscar® nomination for Best Actor. One of the comments below the trailer video: This is a great movie that explores the mindset of many Marine or Navy pilots - actually of many professional military men that train, train, and train without a war to use or dissipate all the aggressiveness, determination, pressure but also the fears, anxieties, and tragedies that their career engenders. For several of them, the family provides the outlet or collects the overflow with more often than not, tragic consequences. A good movie for American fathers who were raised in the cultural days of "real men don't cry". I would request that Warner Brothers presses this movie in Blu-ray preserving the widescreen version and not the pan-&-scan version that is available on DVD. Great movie, highly recommended, Ciao, L https://youtu.be/ViRBb69hxLo?si=zfYh3UtT-n5AZPEr THE GREAT SANTINI aviation scenes =========================================== The Great Santini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Santini =========================================== https://youtu.be/k26hmRbDQFw?si=ak6eHEjTFHo22KKg The Smell of Napalm In the Morning - Apocalypse Now (4/8) Movie CLIP (1979) HD ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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. . . y’all keeping it that thin gruel and you will never feel satiated. Mike | |||
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During the Vietnam war almost 60,000 Americans died and never came home. Probably that many died there emotionally and came home to a public, families and friends who had no clue to understand their disease. Col. Conroy, in real life and as depicted in the great Santini, as result WWII and Korea, suffered from severe post traumatic stress disorder. He had no ability to express love and to make and enjoy normal relationships, even with his family. He always feared, that if he wasn’t the perfect leader, that they (and anyone with whom he became close) would die. It happened over and over again in the past. He was responsible for everything around him and that’s one reason why PTSD sufferors have such an acute need of awareness or constant vigilance, facing doors, and make few close friends, other than those who have been through what they have. Survivors guilt keeps you awake for hours every single night. People literally, because of the stress and angst, die from it.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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I appreciate the impact service can have on people. I think the distinction between “served” versus “retired” is being a bit overblown . . . especially after 24 years of service. Mike | |||
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why don't you try not lifting up stolen valor, k? opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Most vets are acutely aware of the different meanings of served and retired. I’d agree that it would be no big deal if that was his only misrepresentation. The carrying a rifle to war and Afghanistan statements, the Afghanistan one before Congress, rise to a very different level. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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I haven't been able to verify your claim "the Afghanistan one under oath before Congress". But here's the one about carrying a rifle in war: https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1820918063966962143 And here's an article about the Afghanistan thing: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/p...nd-other-republicans Fact-checking attacks on Walz’s military record by Vance and other Republicans Politics Aug 11, 2024 5:32 PM EDT ============================================== And another thing - all those things you say about veterans, being true, doesn't mean they have special status or dispensation regarding judgment of the candidates' morals, honor or qualifications. They are subject to the same biases as the rest of us in that regard. However, IMO, they have a special type of handicap: https://youtube.com/shorts/6z-...?si=iDWibcFI7P6XbhHJ ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Mike, And you mention nothing of Bidens 5 deferments. If Bidens deferments do not bother you, why should Trump's? And to Mr. Jines, This may not matter to you, but to many Vet's it is going to matter. For those that understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible. | |||
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