https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/11...brego-garcia-hearing

Kilmar Abrego Garcia was mistakenly deported. In a tense hearing, DOJ wouldn’t say where he is. What happens next?

By Devan Cole and Emily R. Condon, CNN
6 minute read
Updated 10:46 PM EDT, Fri April 11, 2025

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Mistaken deportation
The Trump administration has conceded that it mistakenly deported him “because of an administrative error,” but maintains it cannot bring him back because he is in Salvadoran custody.

Abrego Garcia was granted protected status by an immigration judge in 2019 that prohibited the federal government from sending him to El Salvador. His attorneys say he fled gang violence in El Salvador more than a decade ago.

Abrego Garcia had been identified by his wife in a photo of detainees entering intake at El Salvador’s notorious mega-prison CECOT last month. Officials with US Immigration and Customs Enforcement say he is a member of MS-13, which the Trump administration has designated as a foreign terrorist organization.

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First the Trump admin said his deportation was a mistake. They haven't recanted as far as I know.

Then they say he is a gang member.

So, the facts are he was mistakenly deported, specifically against (despite) a previous judicial decision.

Whether he is a gang member or not hasn't been proven, just claimed.

Now the Trump admin is weaseling on another judicial order.

The important part is not whether he's a gang member or not. That can be sorted out with due process. The important part is the Trump admin defying the judiciary and due process.

The system either nips this or not. The Trump admin intent trajectory is clear.

This whole mess has Stephen Wormtongue Miller's stench all over it.

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Also, if I remember correctly, the Trump Admin suspended (silenced) the lawyer who admitted the mistake in court.

So, Bukele flew all the way to Washington to provided cover for Trump's self-induced catch 22, presumably on a private presidential jet.

Can you imagine the significance if he had brought Garcia with him?

The SCOTUS is now just a patronage retirement community for judges who’ve kissed ass long and dutifully enough.

American power is effectively consolidated into the hands of the POTUS. A Fascist autocracy has been achieved in record time, faster even than Hitler. Nobody’s ever seen anything like it, to paraphrase the Autocrat in Chief himself.

Future historians are going to have a blast with this epoch.

The only way the Founder's Dream can be defeated is by radicals.

The only ways our constitutional system can be destroyed is when we elect folks who refuse to enforce it’s limitations. When we permit the protections of the Constitution as amended to be ignored. When we put political goals over constitutional framework. We fail.

https://youtu.be/o9N_FbuaqQw?si=UzzYfGR2DZV_3i8M

Judge finds probable cause to hold Trump admin in contempt over deportation flights

Read the rest of the story! Garcia's deportation lacked ONE piece of insignificant paperwoprk, but he was still in the countty illegally and subject o deportation Best of all....he ain't comning back!

....In spite of some half assed liberal puke Obama appointee

Read the Supreme Court cases.

Until you do, your poison is not informed.

It is not a form that is making his deportation unconstitutional.

It is a lack of due process provided not the 5th Amendment. A hearing before s neutral arbitrator of law being one.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Read the rest of the story! Garcia's deportation lacked ONE piece of insignificant paperwoprk, but he was still in the countty illegally and subject o deportation Best of all....he ain't comning back!

....In spite of some half assed liberal puke Obama appointee

duane, obama is gone now for a while you might need to find another reason or person for blaming some issues in your country ...

So, if our trumpers are ok with violating due process, I see how the next democratic president can follow suit. Start with the Jan 6th bunch. Arrested & deported without due process to a foreign prison. Yeah, that works, too. Don't tell me they can prove they were pardoned, that would require....due process.

https://youtu.be/ZMpkP7iPDXM?si=6g2KiHi78FQxxTAv

'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case

https://youtu.be/WLTnPZAY618?si=5ByVnKtAT6saUWQ4

Two judges consider holding Trump admin in contempt for defying court orders

I have watched and listened to several videos (news) about this situation.

The thing I am most appalled about is the comments below the videos.

The division is extreme. MAGA is defiant and angry, and worse they are hateful.

This ain't gonna end well.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Read the rest of the story! Garcia's deportation lacked ONE piece of insignificant paperwoprk, but he was still in the countty illegally and subject o deportation Best of all....he ain't comning back!

....In spite of some half assed liberal puke Obama appointee

I thought Garcia had a green card--legal resident status. If so, he wasn't here illegally. An immigration judge had granted his claim for asylum.

There is no excuse for playing games with the federal courts. That you would celebrate Trump's continuing lawlessness says a lot about you.

That you approve of denying due process is disgusting. It's contrary to the principles of our Republic.

He did not have a green card.

He had previously won a deportation proceeding, and he was ordered to tendon in the United States prior to this infringement upon the Constitution.

US immigration judge granted him protection from deportation to El Salvador because he was likely to face gang persecution. He was released and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) did not appeal the decision or try to deport him to another country.

Yes, he had legal status under federal law to be present on the U.S.

Yet, here we have the fake conservatives argue the Executive should, does, have the authority to ignore our laws and simply put someone on a list, seize them, and strip them of liberty and property by sending them to another nation.


The Courts and the 5th Amendment have repeatedly said no. This S. Ct., majority has said no twice in less than 60 days.

This is tyranny.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
He did not have a green card.

He had previously won a deportation proceeding, and he was ordered to tendon in the United States prior to this infringement upon the Constitution.

US immigration judge granted him protection from deportation to El Salvador because he was likely to face gang persecution. He was released and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) did not appeal the decision or try to deport him to another country.

Yes, he had legal status under federal law to be present on the U.S.

Yet, here we have the fake conservatives argue the Executive should, does, have the authority to ignore our laws and simply put someone on a list, seize them, and strip them of liberty and property by sending them to another nation.


The Courts and the 5th Amendment have repeatedly said no. This S. Ct., majority has said no twice in less than 60 days.

This is tyranny.

spell check would have helped your message

Wasn’t he found to be subject to deportation to any country other than El Salvador? Was that deportation ruling ever rescinded or reversed?
He also failed to meet his burden of proof that he was not a risk of flight and public safety. (Burden of proof is not on the gov’t but on the alien with no parole or other legal status).
BTW, deportations don’t have to be to the country of origin. Nine years after the facts which lead to the deportation ruling “except to El Salvador” is the rival gang even an issue.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
He did not have a green card.

He had previously won a deportation proceeding, and he was ordered to tendon in the United States prior to this infringement upon the Constitution.

US immigration judge granted him protection from deportation to El Salvador because he was likely to face gang persecution. He was released and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) did not appeal the decision or try to deport him to another country.

"Wasn’t he found to be subject to deportation to any country other than El Salvador?"

So, where did they send him?

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Originally posted by wymple:
"Wasn’t he found to be subject to deportation to any country other than El Salvador?"

So, where did they send him?

Apparently they didn't have an agreement with Bumfukkistan to re-deport him to El Salvador.

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
Wasn’t he found to be subject to deportation to any country other than El Salvador? Was that deportation ruling ever rescinded or reversed?
He also failed to meet his burden of proof that he was not a risk of flight and public safety. (Burden of proof is not on the gov’t but on the alien with no parole or other legal status).
BTW, deportations don’t have to be to the country of origin. Nine years after the facts which lead to the deportation ruling “except to El Salvador” is the rival gang even an issue.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
He did not have a green card.

He had previously won a deportation proceeding, and he was ordered to tendon in the United States prior to this infringement upon the Constitution.

US immigration judge granted him protection from deportation to El Salvador because he was likely to face gang persecution. He was released and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) did not appeal the decision or try to deport him to another country.

It was an order withholding deportation. This status is country specific.

Withholding of removal provides a form of protection that is less certain than asylum, leaving its recipients in a sort of limbo. A person who is granted withholding of removal may never leave the United States without executing that removal order, cannot petition to bring family members to the United States, and does not gain a path to citizenship. And unlike asylum, when a family seeks withholding of removal together a judge may grant protection to the parent while denying it to the children, leading to family separation.

Withholding of removal also does not offer permanent protection or a path to permanent residence. If conditions improve in a person’s home country, the government can revoke withholding of removal and again seek the person’s deportation. This can occur even years after a person is granted protection.

Some individuals, including those who were convicted of “particularly serious crimes,” are not eligible for withholding of removal. These individuals are limited to applying for relief under the Convention Against Torture, a protection that is harder to win than withholding of removal and that offers even fewer

It is not an order not to deport only to home country. It is a temporary injunction against deportation.

It is because of this order his detention as an 13 gang member and deportation was not legal.

A hearing would have to been held to change his status or identify a safe country. That had not happened. Thus, the Executive was orders not to deport him. Yet, they did anyway. Again, claiming he was a gang member a judge found he was not.

Essentially, a grant of withholding means that the applicant is ordered removed but that enforcement of the order is “withheld” because the Judge has recognized that the applicant would more likely than not suffer persecution in his country if he’s returned. The status is not completely permanent; if ICE determines that country conditions have changed such that the withholding grantee would no longer be in danger if removed to his country, ICE can re-open the proceedings and seek to revoke the withholding grant. As a practical matter, this happens very rarely.


The Executive decided they did not have to obey the federal law applied the the judge. Declared him a gang member wo a hearing. Changed his status (Feds own pleadings state he was in error determined to have had his status changed); grabbed; deprived of liberty, property, and due process.

We cannot and must not take the Executive Branch’s word on someone’s status or liability. Would you not agree former DPA?

That is why the S. Ct., held right before this case, the Executive must provide meaningful hearings pursuant to the cases I have previously provided.

Those with withholding status are eligible to receive welfare, Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income, and Food Stamps for up to seven years upon receiving their status, just as asylees are. They can also receive certain government housing subsidies and are eligible for Legal Services Corporation-funded legal services.

This is Fed law. It does not matter if anyone does not like it. It is passed by Congress and executed into law by the president.

This status steaks from a treaty the YS signed as well. United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees (1951 Refugee Convention.

The grant of this status is mandatory upon a primia facia showing.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Here are the facts:

1) Garcia is an El Salvador citizen.
2) He is not a US citizen.
3) He did enter the country illegally.
4) He is more likely than not a MS-13 member.
5) Some immigration judge issued a Withholding of Removal order for fear of persecution in El Salvador. From what I have read…the persecution was rival gang related activity.

So here we are…a sanctuary for gang members from other countries who fear other gang members.

And now we are going to spend thousands on arguing if we should bring him back.

Damn…it's no wonder the US is in the shape it is. He’s gone. Good riddance. We should all be happy. Father’s of daughters should be ecstatic.

I wonder how many leftie judges interfered with Ike's operation wetback?????

He wasn't a citizen! He was here ILLEGALLY!


Nuff said!!!!!

Did ikes's operation wetback not set a precedent..... According to the little lord fontleroy.... Precedent is all! Until it doesn't fit his agenda.....


DOGE his useless ass!

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:
The SCOTUS is now just a patronage retirement community for judges who’ve kissed ass long and dutifully enough.

American power is effectively consolidated into the hands of the POTUS. A Fascist autocracy has been achieved in record time, faster even than Hitler. Nobody’s ever seen anything like it, to paraphrase the Autocrat in Chief himself.

Future historians are going to have a blast with this epoch.

Yeah well.... Canuckistan is a retirement community for leftie sissies that don't care about gun rights and elect and re-elect a puzzie like Justine trudeau..... So......

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The only ways our constitutional system can be destroyed is when we elect folks who refuse to enforce it’s limitations. When we permit the protections of the Constitution as amended to be ignored. When we put political goals over constitutional framework. We fail.

Oh! You mean like the Biden administration?????


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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Read the rest of the story! Garcia's deportation lacked ONE piece of insignificant paperwoprk, but he was still in the countty illegally and subject o deportation Best of all....he ain't comning back!

....In spite of some half assed liberal puke Obama appointee

duane, obama is gone now for a while you might need to find another reason or person for blaming some issues in your country ...

Yep Obama is gone....but you still have Justine

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by LHeym500:
He did not have a green card.

He had previously won a deportation proceeding, and he was ordered to tendon in the United States prior to this infringement upon the Constitution.

US immigration judge granted him protection from deportation to El Salvador because he was likely to face gang persecution. He was released and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) did not appeal the decision or try to deport him to another country.

Yes, he had legal status under federal law to be present on the U.S.

Yet, here we have the fake conservatives argue the Executive should, does, have the authority to ignore our laws and simply put someone on a list, seize them, and strip them of liberty and property by sending them to another nation.


The Courts and the 5th Amendment have repeatedly said no. This S. Ct., majority has said no twice in less than 60 days.

This is tyranny.

spell check would have helped your message

English too

Support Jeff. That one is clear. I’m spot Texas cannot read.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Read the rest of the story! Garcia's deportation lacked ONE piece of insignificant paperwoprk, but he was still in the countty illegally and subject o deportation Best of all....he ain't comning back!

....In spite of some half assed liberal puke Obama appointee

duane, obama is gone now for a while you might need to find another reason or person for blaming some issues in your country ...

Yep Obama is gone....but you still have Justine

No, he was replaced by another liberal. In large part, because of Trump’s position on Canada. However, such information is knowledge. We know that thinking is difficult for you. We will continue to help you correct your inability to read.

Which way people don’t understand illegal
Not here legally thus get the fuck outta here
What’s so hard to understand?

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Which way people don’t understand illegal
Not here legally thus get the fuck outta here
What’s so hard to understand?

That is not the law. You have been provided the S. Ct. precedents that proved your assertion incorrect.

Too bad the judge found he was not a games member. However, who cares what the courts say when the King decided who may live in the realm.

It does not matter. What matter is due process. As I have said on here many times, justice is not an outcome. Justice is the process. The Courts have spoken Ms y times from this month to the 50s. They have rejected your and Trump’s regime on this issue.

I guess, the next murder case we get. We do not need a court. The Executive Branch can simply declare the guilt, and provide the remedy. No. That is what the clown’s are arguing for.

There is nothing anyone can say to excuse this. Oh, Dr. Eater you still have 4 questions pending you refuse to answer.

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justice is not an outcome. Justice is the process.

Every justification argument from Rightists vs Leftists on this due process abomination hinges on the above quote.

It's the end justifies the means vs the means justifies the end argument. It's the rule of man vs the rule of law, respectively.

The FACT that the end justifies the means, rule of man, is being argued so passionately and righteously says practically everything about what Rightists have become following or supporting Trump. It indicates how far they have come and will go.

'Maryland man' Kilmar Abrego Garcia exposed in police records as 'violent' repeat wife beater

https://www.allsides.com/news/...lice-records-violent

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'Maryland man' Kilmar Abrego Garcia exposed in police records as 'violent' repeat wife beater

Search results:

https://www.google.com/search?...gHAA&sclient=gws-wiz

Fox and ABC

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Specifically:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...rcia-gang-rcna201665

New documents detail government's case that mistakenly deported man was a gang member
The documents were released after weeks of pressure on the Trump administration to prove its contention that Kilmar Abrego Garcia was a member of MS-13.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
https://youtu.be/o9N_FbuaqQw?si=UzzYfGR2DZV_3i8M

Judge finds probable cause to hold Trump admin in contempt over deportation flights

So Supreme Court says Trump can't be prosecuted in office, but his minions probably can.
They will use the "Befehl ist befehl" defense and will have to be pardoned in the open, visible to all.

This defiance of the judiciary by Trump and his admin was inevitable.

If the case didn't appear in the course of events, Wormtongue Miller would fabricate a test.

All the extraneous BS about Garcia means nothing in the bigger context. This is about Trump's path to autocracy.

I would have preferred to see a better test case, but the fact is it would have been argued similarly with deflection from the central issue.

Win or lose this one, it WILL happen again and again.

I want to expand on my post above about the end justifies the means.

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justice is not an outcome. Justice is the process.

The whole point of the constitution and corresponding rule of law is wrapped up in due process. It's inseparable from the Founder's vision, even as amended or supplemented over the years.

That's why this test and separation of powers are so important.

Due Process under the rule of law is a secular way to sort truth from fiction, belief from fact, reality from alt-reality, even right from wrong, politics left or right null. Of course, as with all human endeavors it's not infallible.

See Aileen Cannon for example of abuse of judicial discretion and the Right claiming the rule of law trying to hold Trump accountable was leftist lawfare. I suspect Trump wants to institutionalize judicial abuse of discretion by appointing Cannon to SCOTUS.

So in terms of absolute abhorrence of ones actions where does "wife beater" rank?

Is it above or below being found liable for sexual assault, or trying to overturn an election, or paying hush money to women to keep them quiet about affairs in the run up to an election?

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So in terms of absolute abhorrence of ones actions where does "wife beater" rank?

Also, where does false accusation or unproven accusation rank, and further - where does such claim rank when it's made as justification for wrong acts. Two wrongs make a Right - pun intended - where the first wrong is just a claim and the second wrong is a fact?

He is out of here and that is a good thing
Dems fighting to bringing him back and defend him will only take big chance to loose ground in midterms and I sure hope so

Measured in next election, if Dems lose high ground for defending the rule of law, what does that say about high ground in the context of the end justifies the means?

Actually, the way I see it, when Trump won the election Dems already lost the high ground in the fight between the end justifies the means vs the rule of law being the means that justifies the outcome end. Trump escaped accountability to the rule of law by means of getting elected. It's now an uphill fight for Dems.

And this fight is one of many to come, and the spin will continue too.

I finally get it! Leftists can't read ..Ms Bondi has certainly cleared up and patiently TRIED to explain why this proven POS should not be allowed back into this country..should not have been here in the first place

You have not read the S. Ct., cases. I do not know what the AG said, but unless she said, “We will comply with the Supreme Court and offer Due Process as required by the 5th Amendment and recognized by the S. CT., since 1950s.”

She is wrong and lying to you.

The Courts have made it clear in the last 14 days, that the Executive refuses to read.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
I finally get it! Leftists can't read ..Ms Bondi has certainly cleared up and patiently TRIED to explain why this proven POS should not be allowed back into this country..should not have been here in the first place

She, through her delegated attorney, made her best arguments to the judge. And lost.

So you believe in the rule of law or not?