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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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At the very least, the President should demand through formal channels Garcia’s return and propose a plan to obtain him.

I believe it is unconstitutional for a court to order a POTUS to engage in such diplomacy.

Yes, we will find out. Now you have finally stopped your lying and getting down to the nut cutting…maybe the judicial branch has no authority here. Time will tell.

The S. Ct., just told you 9-0, you are wrong.

Clown.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

How about you answer some questions you refuse to answer.

Like this one:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

You say that you sit upon several boards and committees. What if one of the companies got a court ORDER, not a suggestion but an order? What would you recommend - compliance or defiance?

Why would you advocate running the country differently?

You say Trump being a businessman runs the country like a business.

Are you a hypocrite too?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
It thus one

Why should we advocate for an Executive defying constitutional precedent re-enforced by this S. Ct., majority that those who are in the nation, regardless of documented status, are entitled to due process through the 5th Amendment?


Or

Why should we allow an Executive to void controlling constitutional S. Ct., precedent conferring rights through the 14th Amendment, but not allow an Executive to void Heller and McDonald conferring a constitutional right through the 14th Amendment?

The answer is only bc Dr. Easter is not anchored in the Constitution or the law. He cares only about seeking his ends enforced. The law and the Constitution can burn in the fires of tyranny and lawlessness.

What this President has done is engaged in proscriptions.

If the President can ignore constitutional on mandates due process to these people, he can deny constitutional due process to all of us.

Dr. Easter’s argument that the Judicial Branch will not hold the President or his exec heads in contempt, or if the Judicial Branch does folks like his friends and neighbors are justified in violence is not an argument in law.

Likewise, because the Congress, as it sets now, is not interested in enforcing constitutional due process to this class of people through impeachment does not disprove the constitutional mandates due process was not violated.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Specifically, what actions is the administration compelled to take in this matter now?

We know for a fact that the court has no authority to compel diplomacy.

I am waiting for the Lord of Louisville to lay out step by step what the administration is not doing that it should be.

How about some action to facilitate his return, as ordered, rather than doing nothing. If trump told Bukele to shit, he would squat and start grunting. Lane, you're not being clever...just obtuse.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

Actually, I believe that is the reason they chose the word “facilitate.”

Facilitating is a more passive action meaning to allow/help with but requires action from another party. They did not say engage in diplomacy to initiate a return.

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As far as I can tell if he told President Bukele… “Hey; if you feel like sending that human-trafficking, wife-beating, piece of shit MS-13 gang member El Salvadorian citizen back to our country so we can waste tens of thousands of dollars on him; we will send a military plane for him and take him back.” …he has complied with the order to facilitate.

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So what specific action does it compel?

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In legal contexts, "facilitate" refers to actions that make a process or activity easier or enable it to occur, while "compel" refers to actions that force or mandate an entity to perform a specific act, often under legal authority. The distinction is critical:

- **Facilitate**: Does not inherently compel action but creates conditions that make an action possible or less difficult. For example, a court may order a party to *facilitate* access to documents, meaning they must provide means or remove obstacles for access, but this does not necessarily force them to hand over the documents themselves unless explicitly ordered.

- **Compel**: Directly mandates an entity to perform a specific action, typically backed by legal consequences for non-compliance. For instance, a court order to *compel* document production requires the entity to actively provide the documents, with potential penalties (e.g., contempt of court) for failure to comply.

### Specific Legal Actions
When a law or court order uses "facilitate" to compel an entity, it typically requires the entity to take affirmative steps to enable a process or outcome, without necessarily performing the final act itself. Examples include:
- **Facilitating Discovery**: In civil litigation, a party may be compelled to facilitate discovery by providing access to records, scheduling depositions, or ensuring systems are available for data retrieval (e.g., *Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 34*).
- **Facilitating Compliance**: A regulatory body may compel a company to facilitate compliance with an investigation by granting access to facilities or records (e.g., SEC investigations under *17 CFR § 240.21*).
- **Facilitating Rights**: In family law, a parent may be compelled to facilitate visitation rights by ensuring a child is available for scheduled visits, without being responsible for the visit itself.

### Key Considerations
- **Scope of Obligation**: The action compelled by "facilitate" is context-specific and depends on the legal framework or court order. It generally implies a supportive role rather than direct execution.
- **Consequences of Non-Compliance**: Failure to facilitate as compelled can lead to sanctions, contempt, or other penalties, similar to failing to comply with a direct order.
- **Jurisdictional Nuances**: The precise meaning of "facilitate" varies by jurisdiction and legal system (e.g., common law vs. civil law). Always refer to the specific statute, case law, or order.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Mike,
As a lawyer, can you tell me specifically what action the SCOTUS order compels the POTUS to perform?

No one else seems to want to venture a guess.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have answered this question.

At the very least, the Executive is required to demand his return formally and submit a plan to bring that into reality.

Only the Greatest Critical Thinker in Texas would not understand the word “facilitate.”

Your feeble attempts make you look like a clown.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I have answered this question.

At the very least, the Executive is required to demand his return formally and submit a plan to bring that into reality.

Only the Greatest Critical Thinker in Texas would not understand the word “facilitate.”

Your feeble attempts make you look like a clown.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I think this article answers your questions:

https://www.newsweek.com/doj-r...empt-warning-2061535

Newsweek

DOJ Responds After Judge Boasberg Issues Criminal Contempt Warning
Published Apr 18, 2025 at 12:33 PM EDT
Updated Apr 19, 2025 at 10:57 AM EDT

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That article states it is undecided.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Debate about illegal wow…
The moment we loose right to deport illegals, they will become emboldened without fear of repercussions and we all know what that means for criminals
I can’t believe we have this conversation

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Debate about illegal wow…
The moment we loose right to deport illegals, they will become emboldened without fear of repercussions and we all know what that means for criminals
I can’t believe we have this conversation

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Debate about illegal wow…
The moment we loose right to deport illegals, they will become emboldened without fear of repercussions and we all know what that means for criminals
I can’t believe we have this conversation

"The moment we loose [sic] right"...

"we all know what that means for criminals"...

"they will become emboldened without fear of repercussions"...

Your Dear Leader is a fine example.

We're having a national conversation about that.

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When the Executive can seize power not granted to it by the Constitution.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Sending an undisputed illegal entry El Salvadorian citizen back to El Salvador seems reasonable to me…especially when he is a documented domestic abuser, a probable violent gang member, and suspected human trafficker.

The majority of Americans agree with^^^that.

No American citizen has been denied due process. Courts had said he was deportable.

I hope the liberals here and abroad in the country continue to make a big deal about this…it will lose the midterms for them.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Sending an undisputed illegal entry El Salvadorian citizen back to El Salvador seems reasonable to me…especially when he is a documented domestic abuser, a probable violent gang member, and suspected human trafficker.

The majority of Americans agree with^^^that.

No American citizen has been denied due process. Courts had said he was deportable.

I hope the liberals here and abroad in the country continue to make a big deal about this…it will lose the midterms for them.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Sending an undisputed illegal entry El Salvadorian citizen back to El Salvador seems reasonable to me…especially when he is a documented domestic abuser, a probable violent gang member, and suspected human trafficker.

The majority of Americans agree with^^^that.

No American citizen has been denied due process. Courts had said he was deportable.

I hope the liberals here and abroad in the country continue to make a big deal about this…it will lose the midterms for them.

Lots of illegal entry immigrants were granted asylum for various reasons.

From what I read he was accused of DV. Lots of people are accused. Not all are guilty.

"probable" and "suspected" - well those words define themselves and your rationalizations for unconstitutional advocacy, even un-American autocracy.

It's not just liberals who will continue to consider this a big deal. They don't have to "make" it so because it is what it is. And it will not be the sole deciding factor at mid-terms. There's reason enough now to flip the lights out, turn their mics off, on the GOPer section of congress. There will be many more reasons before it's over. I see no way for GOPers to salvage this even if they reversed course, which they won't do. Like you, they will double-down. Let's just hope we have mid-term elections.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...137eb079c32cfe&ei=20

The Republican Party finally meets its reckoning | Opinion
Opinion by Thom Hartmann • 10h • 7 min read

We’ve spent years watching Donald Trump attack our democratic institutions, inflame divisions, and corrupt the public discourse.

But focusing solely on Trump misses the larger, more disturbing reality: Trump isn’t acting alone. He’s a dangerous pathogen that found the perfect host in today’s Republican Party, an organism already compromised and eager to be infected.

The evidence of this dangerous symbiosis is alarming and immediate. Just days ago, America crossed a threshold that should chill every citizen who still believes in the rule of law.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a young man living peacefully in Maryland with no criminal record, was ripped from his home and deported to El Salvador — not by rogue agents, not by mistake, but in deliberate defiance of multiple federal court orders.

A judge had explicitly ordered that Garcia not be deported. The U.S. Supreme Court had intervened. And still, the Trump-controlled Department of Justice — under Attorney General Pam Bondi — refused to comply.

Garcia vanished from U.S. soil like a political dissident in a dictatorship. Senator Chris Van Hollen flew to El Salvador to find him yesterday, only to be denied access. The Salvadoran government wouldn’t even confirm his location. Garcia now sits detained, alone in a foreign country, denied lawyers, family, or recourse.

He’s not a criminal — he’s a political hostage. His only crime was existing under an administration that believes it is above the law.

This isn’t abstract. This is what the death of democracy feels like. A court order ignored. A life uprooted. A senator stonewalled.

And it’s a precedent set: if the executive branch can disappear a legal US resident despite Supreme Court orders, democracy is already bleeding out right in front of our eyes.

To fully comprehend the gravity of our situation, we must recognize that Trump is both a symptom and a disease. Like any opportunistic virus, he didn’t invent the weakness — he exploited it. The Republican Party, drifting toward authoritarianism since Nixon, became the perfect host.

From the backlash to the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision, to Nixon's Southern Strategy, to the Tea Party’s billionaire-funded anti-government rage against our first Black president, the GOP built a party on grievance and fear. It corroded democratic norms for decades. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, union busting, judicial stacking, demonizing immigrants and queer people, rightwing propaganda media — all laid the groundwork.

Trump didn’t create this environment. He walked into it, flipped the switches, and set it ablaze. He didn’t poison the well. He found it already poisoned and drank deeply.

What’s particularly chilling is how methodical Trump’s attack on democracy has been.

He’s spent years convincing millions that elections are fraudulent — despite no credible evidence. This isn’t just the tantrum of a defeated candidate. It’s a calculated attempt to destroy the one institution that makes a republic function: trust in the vote. When citizens no longer believe their ballots count, democracy dies.

That was the goal. Undermine faith in the system so completely that only Trump — and those who pledge loyalty to him — are seen as legitimate.

His authoritarian instincts were never hidden. He praised dictators like Putin, Orbán, MBS, and Kim Jong Un. He demanded personal loyalty from government officials, attacked the judiciary, and labeled the free press “the enemy of the people.” Every move was pulled straight from the autocrat’s playbook, designed to erode checks on his power.

The insurrection on January 6 was not an outlier, but rather the inevitable outcome of years of lies, hate, and democratic erosion. Trump didn’t just incite a mob; he sat and watched — gleefully — as it ransacked the Capitol, hunted lawmakers, and shattered windows in the temple of democracy. He delayed help. He wanted it to succeed.

And the Republican Party? It shrugged. Which is the key to both understanding and stopping Trump.

None of this destruction would be possible without the Republican Party’s active complicity. They are not passive bystanders; they are eager enablers. Leaders who once called Trump “dangerous” and “unfit” now parrot his lies and excuse his crimes.

Why? Because they’ve traded principle for power. The “party of family values” excused porn star hush money because it helped rig the 2016 election. The “party of fiscal responsibility” celebrated massive tax cuts for billionaires that exploded our nation’s deficit. The “party of national security” turned a blind eye as Trump aligned with America's adversaries and vilified NATO.

They sold their souls. And for what? Judges? Tax cuts? A fleeting grip on power?

At the core of this transformation is the deliberate cultivation of cruelty as political strategy. Trump’s policies were never just misguided: they were purposefully cruel.

The separation of children at the border wasn’t a failure; it was a feature. Designed to cause pain. Designed to deter. Designed to send a message that America no longer welcomed the tired, the poor, the huddled masses, at least when their skin is not white.

His refusal to return Kilmar Garcia to his family and community (and over 200 others) is not an outlier. It’s the same cruelty repackaged. The same contempt for legal restraint. The same hunger for domination. And if he’s not stopped by Republicans on the Supreme Court or Republicans in Congress, history and his own words tell us he’ll be coming for you and me next.

Beyond policy, Trump has waged a relentless war on truth itself. He didn’t just lie; he declared war on the very idea of truth. He called climate change a hoax. He politicized a deadly pandemic. He turned science into a partisan enemy and transformed medical expertise into a battleground.

The result? Hundreds of thousands of unnecessary Covid (and now measles) deaths. A public so divided they couldn’t agree on masks or medicine. That wasn’t an accident. It was the point: destroy our shared reality, and you can then more easily destroy democracy.

Perhaps most destructive of all, Trump didn’t merely inherit America’s divisions: he weaponized them. He didn’t unify urban and rural, rich and poor, Black and white: he pitted them against each other for personal gain. Rage was his currency. Fear his strategy. When people are busy hating each other, he knows, they don’t notice who’s robbing them blind.

What we now face is no longer a political party but a vicious, cruel cult of personality. Today’s GOP isn’t defined by principles or policies: Disagree and you’re exiled — just ask Liz Cheney. Ask Adam Kinzinger. Ask Mitt Romney.

Marjorie Taylor Greene doesn’t represent a fringe any longer; she is the mainstream now. Her recent town hall — where dissenters were tased — wasn’t an aberration. It’s the new GOP, where violence is celebrated as a tool, not a last resort, and elected officials revel in their own cruelty, brutality, and ability to ignore the needs of their constituents while taking millions from their donors.

She’s the perfect reflection of Trump: His pathological narcissism drives much of his destructive behavior. A man who cannot tolerate criticism, admit fault, or share the spotlight will burn down democracy itself to protect his fragile ego.

When faced with a choice between national interest and personal gratification, Trump invariably chooses the latter. His demand for absolute loyalty — to him personally, not to the nation or the Constitution — reveals a man who sees America not as a nation to serve but as a stage for his own aggrandizement.

There’s also method in Trump’s chaos. By keeping the country in a constant state of outrage and crisis, he prevents organized resistance and meaningful accountability. The chaos isn’t accidental; it’s strategic, designed to exhaust opponents and normalize previously unthinkable behavior. Each new outrage makes the previous one seem quaint by comparison, creating a downward spiral of degraded expectations.

Trump has weaponized division for political gain. He doesn’t simply observe American divisions; he actively creates and exploits them. By turning Americans against each other — urban versus rural, white versus non-white, native-born versus immigrant — he creates tribal loyalties that override ethical concerns or policy considerations. A divided America is easier to manipulate and control than a united one.

What’s most terrifying about this transformation is that Trump has created a blueprint for future authoritarians. He’s shown how to destroy a developed, advanced democracy from within — legally, slowly, under the guise of patriotism.

And the Republican Party? It’s not just following the map. It’s paving the road.

The critical question before us isn’t whether Trump has damaged America. He has. The question is whether that damage is reversible.

— Can we still rebuild?

— Can Republican elders return to principle?

— Can billionaire donors withdraw their support and allow democratic values to reassert themselves?

— Will it take a second Republican Great Depression to shock the party awake?

Americans don’t yet know any of the answers here, but we do know this: inaction is surrender.

Our democratic survival depends on recognizing that Trump is the virus, but the Republican Party is the host. And if we don’t treat the host, the next authoritarian will be worse. Smarter. More effective. More dangerous.

What happened to Kilmar Garcia could happen again. It will happen again, in fact, if we let it. Our democratic immune system — the press, the courts, business and the legal profession, the voters — must fight back. Because we are running out of time.

Rebuilding what they’ve destroyed will require more than simply removing Trump from power; it will demand a fundamental recommitment to democratic values and institutions by the GOP.

Republicans: Wake up!

You are the last firewall. This is your reckoning. Your move.

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This is a video within the above article. It represents what Fox News is doing. It also shows where Trump supporters herein get their BS.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/vide...ocid=socialshare&t=7

Dems are so caught up in opposing Trump, they don't realize they are opposing Americans, GOP lawmaker says
Rep. Byron Donalds, R-Fla., says Democrats will lose more elections following the response to Kilmar Abrego Garcia on 'Jesse Watters Primetime.'

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Keep echoing your message ME.

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I was gonna say no one is wrong about everything,

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Dr. Easter is openly advocating for the the Executive to defy the Constitution and the Courts.

He cares not for law. He only cares about securing ends. If you are not on his side of those ends, his strong man can seize you and destroy you.

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All the while, the context we are speaking in, is the story of an illegal alien from El Salvador…who was sent back to El Salvador.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Dr. Easter is openly advocating for the the Executive to defy the Constitution and the Courts.

He cares not for law. He only cares about securing ends. If you are not on his side of those ends, his strong man can seize you and destroy you.

The Little Lord of Louisville

All the while, the context we are speaking in, is the story of an illegal alien from El Salvador…who was sent back to El Salvador.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
You responded in 3 minutes. The video is 17+ minutes long.

Defend yourself. Say it ain't so. Convince me and us.